The DRose Is Awful Offseason Thread

[koogiking]

i think when he commented on the former mvp, pjax kind of revealed a lot about his term as POBO at NYK. he said DR gets "into the paint". Forgetting that he does not create for others when he gets there. And commented that DR "said he wants to be here". And "i like that he said he wants to be here". I think you see the level of insight you have evaluating your roster with these revealing statements by POBO. that pjax is "surprised" that a guy who wants a big contract says he "wants to be here" to a guy with ability to write a big check is well kind of astonishing.

Derrick is a scoring guard first and foremost, organizing, leading, stuff like that is not particularly his strength.

This is what Phil said.

Yet he acquired him. When he already had Melo, who wasn't exactly tearing it up as "Point Forward".

I guess Noah was going to run the offense but unfortunately got hurt

Shows how terrible Phils decision making has been smh.. And Noah was a shell for two years before he signed him too so that shouldn't have been a surprise either..

[Bill Pidto]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

[nedleeds]

1 year 5 million dollars. Sixth man, never a starter. It wil be our 1st round pick that will start and if he is hurt or needs rest, Baker will take over. As a sixth man, the perk is that you can go full Derrick Rose tilt and just be himself. We just pray that for every point you score, it's not a god damn net negative.

Why? He doesn't make our young players better because he doesn't pass. He's an awful example in the locker room. We have our pick in 2018. If we don't draft a PG or get back a sub- 26 one in whatever trash we get for MElo then just run Baker out and whatever happens happens. Maybe with enough experience he becomes Anthony Carter.

[JBreezeNY]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

So he intentionally fu*ked over the team to spite Melo?

That is dumb as hell & unprofessional.

[god shammgod]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

So he intentionally fu*ked over the team to spite Melo?

That is dumb as hell & unprofessional.

don't worry, he didn't do that. so he's only dumb as hell. then again in other things he is unprofessional. so...yeah, both. you were right. my bad. carry on.

[nedleeds]

So is getting ejected 3 times and nearly leading the league in it.

[Bill Pidto]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

So he intentionally fu*ked over the team to spite Melo?

That is dumb as hell & unprofessional.

He didn't f*ck over the team though. This team is in a better position for it.

I don't see anyone calling Sam Hinkie unprofessional. And the ones who called him dumb as hell are eating crow now.

Personally, I think "resisting" the offense/system is what's unprofessional.

Also, if you thought trading for D-Rose on a 1-year deal is what you call "swinging for the fences", or "going all in", or "f*cking over the team".. I would call that dumb as hell.

Like Phil said, there are 29 teams in the NBA every year who feel like they need to get better. So teams are positioning themselves all the time, and most of them aren't positioning themselves for an immediate title run.

[Greenie]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

The fuq?
The lotto pick could end up #10 and you gave away assets for a rental of Rose who doesn't fit with Melo or KP. Win with Rose or else?

If that's Phil playing chess, he needs to stop because he's horrible at it.

[Greenie]

So is getting ejected 3 times and nearly leading the league in it.

Dude, give it up.

[Greenie]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

So he intentionally fu*ked over the team to spite Melo?

That is dumb as hell & unprofessional.

He didn't f*ck over the team though. This team is in a better position for it.

I don't see anyone calling Sam Hinkie unprofessional. And the ones who called him dumb as hell are eating crow now.

Personally, I think "resisting" the offense/system is what's unprofessional.

Also, if you thought trading for D-Rose on a 1-year deal is what you call "swinging for the fences", or "going all in", or "f*cking over the team".. I would call that dumb as hell.

Like Phil said, there are 29 teams in the NBA every year who feel like they need to get better. So teams are positioning themselves all the time, and most of them aren't positioning themselves for an immediate title run.

"Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land."

You don't make that big of a trade thinking like that. So either Phil made the trade looking for a huge improvement and didn't get it or he knowingly fuqed us over.

Which one is it?

[koogiking]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

He's sabotaging us. Phil knows basketball, he knows that combo was not going to work smh

[Marty McFly]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

He's sabotaging us. Phil knows basketball, he knows that combo was not going to work smh

is he sabotaging us, or himself? i mean, he traded for a guy who isn't an archetypal triangle pg, because even as a shell of his former self, he might have had plenty of talent left in the tank, when your star is hoping the team takes advantage of his "window".

i didn't like the rose trade, and didn't like the noah signing for obvious reasons. the only defense for the noah signing was the hole left by rolo from the rose trade, and that defense is flimsy at best. but I'm legitimately curious as to what a lot of the people who keep making the same arguments, would have done in his place to "improve" the team, knowing full well, a tank job might seem unsavory to your star player.

the worst thing phil did was give melo his ntc in exchange for that "paycut". if you're going to talk about the moves phil has made that has **** this team it is giving melo his ntc.

so yeah, in hindsight, he's a dumb ass.

[koogiking]

We would have been better off keeping Lopez and signing Jeff Teague in free agency. nearly anything would have been better than the Rose + Noah moves

[Marty McFly]

We would have been better off keeping Lopez and signing Jeff Teague in free agency. nearly anything would have been better than the Rose + Noah moves

signing jeff teague when? jeff teague was trade bait last year. he's a free agent after this season.

[koogiking]

You're right. I thought Teague was a free agent signing. But I was wrong. Regardless the Rose move was a bust. Phil Jackson like the rest of us got caught up into the name.. but ignored what we've seen on the court the past few years

Also Even in his prime rose was never a triangle fit

[Marty McFly]

You're right. I thought Teague was a free agent signing. But I was wrong. Regardless the Rose move was a bust. Phil Jackson like the rest of us got caught up into the name.. but ignored what we've seen on the court the past few years

Also Even in his prime rose was never a triangle fit

i pointed out rose's obtuseness for the triangle in my post. the question remains, who are you signing at pg? be mindful we still have jose on the cap. also disregard pg's who aren't triangle fits seeing as that's an issue with rose.

[Greenie]

I wanted Patrick Beverly.

[FKF]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

The fuq?
The lotto pick could end up #10 and you gave away assets for a rental of Rose who doesn't fit with Melo or KP. Win with Rose or else?

If that's Phil playing chess, he needs to stop because he's horrible at it.

Melo played chess first by meeting competition when he was a FA, and commanding a five years offer including an NTC.

The Lakers were right there to pair Melo and Kobe, and the Knicks had to surrender all their guns to keep Melo.

In retrospect, Phil should just have let Melo walk to LA, but the media and fans like you would have killed him for that.

[Greenie]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

The fuq?
The lotto pick could end up #10 and you gave away assets for a rental of Rose who doesn't fit with Melo or KP. Win with Rose or else?

If that's Phil playing chess, he needs to stop because he's horrible at it.

Melo played chess first by meeting competition when he was a FA, and commanding a five years offer including an NTC.

The Lakers were right there to pair Melo and Kobe, and the Knicks had to surrender all their guns to keep Melo.

In retrospect, Phil should just have let Melo walk to LA, but the media and fans like you would have killed him for that.

First off, you don't know **** about me.
I was cool letting Melo walk if we were going to go into a full rebuild. I said so.

It was Phil who came in claiming his triangle would fix everything and make ys a contender. Dolan hired Phil to convince Melo to stay.

I have wanted a fuqing rebuild since 2010.
Step with thinking you know me.

[Tron Carter]

Phil knew damn well D-Rose was not going to be MVP. He knew damn well D-Rose was not going to lead the Knicks to the promised land.

The Derrick Rose trade was a direct response to Melo saying no to a trade last summer, and telling Phil that he wanted to speed up the process of building a winner. Phil called his bluff. Win with Rose or be forced out while I collect my lotto pick.

Phil playing chess.

So he intentionally fu*ked over the team to spite Melo?

That is dumb as hell & unprofessional.

He didn't f*ck over the team though. This team is in a better position for it.

I don't see anyone calling Sam Hinkie unprofessional. And the ones who called him dumb as hell are eating crow now.

Personally, I think "resisting" the offense/system is what's unprofessional.

Also, if you thought trading for D-Rose on a 1-year deal is what you call "swinging for the fences", or "going all in", or "f*cking over the team".. I would call that dumb as hell.

Like Phil said, there are 29 teams in the NBA every year who feel like they need to get better. So teams are positioning themselves all the time, and most of them aren't positioning themselves for an immediate title run.