Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[jvsimonetti0514]

OKC and Portland are crap but the Knicks is where he'd rather be because we gave him the right to rot here and collect a check?

It's not in a vacuum. It's not even a knock on his talents.
It's two differing timelines that contradict and stall each other. Nobody's trying to say he should accept a trade to Detroit or Utah. But you'd think the competitor in him would see OKC or PDX as places he can win alongside some pretty good players comparable to what the Rockets are building.
And cmon.

Let's not act like Houston is the Golden State Warriors.

Yeah. OKC in particular would be pretty bomber with him given what they would likely have to give up. Maybe even better than Houston. Portland is a better city but probably not his cup of tea.

Westbrook might average 30 points and 20 assists for the season with Melo and George on the wing instead of scrubs like Oladipo and Jerami Grant. Westbrook wouldn't know what to do with all the spacing they'd provide.

[red96]

Knicks aren't asking Melo to open up to crappy teams. OKC and Portland are both good playoff teams, that if they had a player like Melo could contend with GS. It's not like want to trade him to Chicago or Sacramento.

OKC and Portland are crap but the Knicks is where he'd rather be because we gave him the right to rot here and collect a check?

It's not in a vacuum. It's not even a knock on his talents.
It's two differing timelines that contradict and stall each other. Nobody's trying to say he should accept a trade to Detroit or Utah. But you'd think the competitor in him would see OKC or PDX as places he can win alongside some pretty good players comparable to what the Rockets are building.
And cmon.

Let's not act like Houston is the Golden State Warriors.

There are legit reasons why Melo prefers Houston over those teams. The Blazers are a borderline play-off team right now, in the west. CJ and Lillard aren't the ideal guys to put next Melo. They aren't close to the facilitators or playmakers that Harden and Paul are. Without Melo the Blazers may not even make the playoffs. They need Melo to get off the bubble, but he still doesn't guarantee they'd break top 4 in the west.

The Thunder's future is very much in question. Westbrook hasn't signed his extension,yet. I think Melo,PG, and WB, would fit fine, but tunnel vision is part of Westbrook's dna. And George leaving after 1 year is a very real possibly, and he's made it clear. Melo could get stuck in a situation similar to if he was traded to the Cavs. George didn't choose OKC. Harden on the otherhand is signed for 6 more years, and Paul wanted to be in Houston, and will likely re-sign with the Rockets. Melo could opt-in with no worries and save millions more in state tax savings. I've heard OKC is a nice place, but we all know it isn't a player hotspot at all, probably even less for players who love the NY/LA life like George and Melo.

Rockets were easily better and deeper than both of those teams last season, and looks to be the same this upcoming season. They added the best player available this off-season and are elite without Melo. He'd be able to fill his optimal role in Houston, while getting looks from 2 of the best playmakers, high IQ players in the league. No team is the Warriors, but if the goal is to beat GS, he and his bff Paul could possibly lure some of their top level bff's to come play with them. Something that would be less likely in PDX or OKC. If you wanted to win, not just win more games and make the playoffs, I mean REALLY win, than its no wonder why Melo has a short list. The Spurs are the only team that can offer as much opportunity as the Rockets, but they haven't shown any interest in Melo as of yet. Sometimes people forget that these guys are human. If a team can't offer you a real chance with some stability, why uproot your life, leave where you love, and leave your family, and go to the other side of the country?

[NoLayupRule]

OKC and Portland are crap but the Knicks is where he'd rather be because we gave him the right to rot here and collect a check?

It's not in a vacuum. It's not even a knock on his talents.
It's two differing timelines that contradict and stall each other. Nobody's trying to say he should accept a trade to Detroit or Utah. But you'd think the competitor in him would see OKC or PDX as places he can win alongside some pretty good players comparable to what the Rockets are building.
And cmon.

Let's not act like Houston is the Golden State Warriors.

How do you continue to. It get it?

He wants to stay here because he loves NYC
He wants to stay here because his kid lives here, has a life here, goes to school here

He doesn't want to uproot his life because the team that committed to him has failed and changed its course.

He's not collecting a check.
And if he was there wouldn't be anything wrong with doing so

Quit the bs

[BKlutch]

OKC and Portland are crap but the Knicks is where he'd rather be because we gave him the right to rot here and collect a check?

It's not in a vacuum. It's not even a knock on his talents.
It's two differing timelines that contradict and stall each other. Nobody's trying to say he should accept a trade to Detroit or Utah. But you'd think the competitor in him would see OKC or PDX as places he can win alongside some pretty good players comparable to what the Rockets are building.
And cmon.

Let's not act like Houston is the Golden State Warriors.

Yeah. OKC in particular would be pretty bomber with him given what they would likely have to give up. Maybe even better than Houston. Portland is a better city but probably not his cup of tea.

Westbrook might average 30 points and 20 assists for the season with Melo and George on the wing instead of scrubs like Oladipo and Jerami Grant. Westbrook wouldn't know what to do with all the spacing they'd provide.

Did you say Melo and spacing in the same sentence? When have you seen that on the Knicks?

[louieOrr]

OKC and Portland are crap but the Knicks is where he'd rather be because we gave him the right to rot here and collect a check?

It's not in a vacuum. It's not even a knock on his talents.
It's two differing timelines that contradict and stall each other. Nobody's trying to say he should accept a trade to Detroit or Utah. But you'd think the competitor in him would see OKC or PDX as places he can win alongside some pretty good players comparable to what the Rockets are building.
And cmon.

Let's not act like Houston is the Golden State Warriors.

How do you continue to. It get it?

He wants to stay here because he loves NYC
He wants to stay here because his kid lives here, has a life here, goes to school here

He doesn't want to uproot his life because the team that committed to him has failed and changed its course.

He's not collecting a check.
And if he was there wouldn't be anything wrong with doing so

Quit the bs

That's all fine and good then. Were going to look at this from a perspective like this is a regular job. The reasoning sited here is not basketball related.

Assuming these are his priorities at this point, he should be cool to do what is asked of him by his employer correct?

He still gets to stay in the city he loves.

He doesn't have to uproot his child, or if that is not an option due to LALA he doesn't have to be away from his child.

If his child is the first priority, I certainly don't disagree with that.

But that goes out the window if he gets to play with his buddies in HOU?

IM calling BS

[red96]

OKC and Portland are crap but the Knicks is where he'd rather be because we gave him the right to rot here and collect a check?

It's not in a vacuum. It's not even a knock on his talents.
It's two differing timelines that contradict and stall each other. Nobody's trying to say he should accept a trade to Detroit or Utah. But you'd think the competitor in him would see OKC or PDX as places he can win alongside some pretty good players comparable to what the Rockets are building.
And cmon.

Let's not act like Houston is the Golden State Warriors.

How do you continue to. It get it?

He wants to stay here because he loves NYC
He wants to stay here because his kid lives here, has a life here, goes to school here

He doesn't want to uproot his life because the team that committed to him has failed and changed its course.

He's not collecting a check.
And if he was there wouldn't be anything wrong with doing so

Quit the bs

That's all fine and good then. Were going to look at this from a perspective like this is a regular job. The reasoning sited here is not basketball related.

Assuming these are his priorities at this point, he should be cool to do what is asked of him by his employer correct?

He still gets to stay in the city he loves.

He doesn't have to uproot his child, or if that is not an option due to LALA he doesn't have to be away from his child.

If his child is the first priority, I certainly don't disagree with that.

But that goes out the window if he gets to play with his buddies in HOU?

IM calling BS

Does it have to be so black and white? Why couldn't it be that he'd only leave all of that (for a few years) if the perfect opportunity presented itself? That's a pretty normal way of thinking don't you think? Those other teams may not be the perfect situation(due to talent, location, stability) for Melo, so it just wouldn't be worth it for him. It probably applies to you as well. I don't know what's going on in your life, but what would it take for you to relocate across country, leave all of your family,and go to a city you don't want to live in? Now think what could get you to do that if you're just fine financially?

[louieOrr]

How do you continue to. It get it?

He wants to stay here because he loves NYC
He wants to stay here because his kid lives here, has a life here, goes to school here

He doesn't want to uproot his life because the team that committed to him has failed and changed its course.

He's not collecting a check.
And if he was there wouldn't be anything wrong with doing so

Quit the bs

That's all fine and good then. Were going to look at this from a perspective like this is a regular job. The reasoning sited here is not basketball related.

Assuming these are his priorities at this point, he should be cool to do what is asked of him by his employer correct?

He still gets to stay in the city he loves.

He doesn't have to uproot his child, or if that is not an option due to LALA he doesn't have to be away from his child.

If his child is the first priority, I certainly don't disagree with that.

But that goes out the window if he gets to play with his buddies in HOU?

IM calling BS

Does it have to be so black and white? Why couldn't it be that he'd only leave all of that (for a few years) if the perfect opportunity presented itself? That's a pretty normal way of thinking don't you think? Those other teams may not be the perfect situation(due to talent, location, stability) for Melo, so it just wouldn't be worth it for him.

To me, it seems pretty clear cut. Just IMO

I would think if its about the child, then that would be unwavering. A sacrifice is a sacrifice no?

[battabing10]

So?

That, all of a sudden, is going to make the Knicks do something that Jim Dolan fired Phil Jackson and ate $24M for even suggesting?

What do you mean so? We're not going to be making any progress as an organization. How are we supposed to properly build a new culture with these young kids in the midst of all that? You think KP is going to be happy that his buddy Melo isn't getting treated fair? Jeff Hornacek isn't even proven he can hold together a locker room, now we want to pretend like he can do with all while benching Melo? It's not gonna happen, things will get ugly. Just saying, prepare for another fun ride in Knicksland

Easy. Just treat Melo like any other player.

If he defends and plays within a team concept where he's no longer the first option then there won't be a problem. If he does neither, then he sits.

If the young guys can't appreciate that level of meritocracy, then there are bigger culture issues than Melo's presence.

hopefully the FO has hornacek's back in terms of a new culture/meritocracy. melo can be a bit of a primadonna. then again, he has it in him to be the good soldier. this season his character will be revealed once and for all.

[NoLayupRule]

OKC and Portland are crap but the Knicks is where he'd rather be because we gave him the right to rot here and collect a check?

It's not in a vacuum. It's not even a knock on his talents.
It's two differing timelines that contradict and stall each other. Nobody's trying to say he should accept a trade to Detroit or Utah. But you'd think the competitor in him would see OKC or PDX as places he can win alongside some pretty good players comparable to what the Rockets are building.
And cmon.

Let's not act like Houston is the Golden State Warriors.

How do you continue to. It get it?

He wants to stay here because he loves NYC
He wants to stay here because his kid lives here, has a life here, goes to school here

He doesn't want to uproot his life because the team that committed to him has failed and changed its course.

He's not collecting a check.
And if he was there wouldn't be anything wrong with doing so

Quit the bs

That's all fine and good then. Were going to look at this from a perspective like this is a regular job. The reasoning sited here is not basketball related.

Assuming these are his priorities at this point, he should be cool to do what is asked of him by his employer correct?

He still gets to stay in the city he loves.

He doesn't have to uproot his child, or if that is not an option due to LALA he doesn't have to be away from his child.

If his child is the first priority, I certainly don't disagree with that.

But that goes out the window if he gets to play with his buddies in HOU?

IM calling BS

for starters you can't look at it like a regular job because its one in the public eye, celebrity based, and his "brand" is his person


But to us a "regular job" analogy were talking about a job where your employers told you they were building the company around you and gave you a contract of the kind that would keep you from going to a competitor. To sweeten the pot they told you they couldn't break the contract, only you could. and then after a couple years they started badmouthing you around town and talked about your flaws as a professional. then they decided to move you and your contract. But you didn't want to go. So you said no. then a couple of your friends joined up and a rival company and you said ok, thats one place I'm willing to go to. not that you want to go but you will allow that one destination.

sorry, but thats not unreasonable

its lame for us as fans because we want to move Melo to a place thats gonna benefit this team

but its not melos fault
its the teams fault. all day long.

be pissed at Jackson

[KnicksGadfly]

damn I have no idea what people are arguing anymore

[NoLayupRule]

What do you mean so? We're not going to be making any progress as an organization. How are we supposed to properly build a new culture with these young kids in the midst of all that? You think KP is going to be happy that his buddy Melo isn't getting treated fair? Jeff Hornacek isn't even proven he can hold together a locker room, now we want to pretend like he can do with all while benching Melo? It's not gonna happen, things will get ugly. Just saying, prepare for another fun ride in Knicksland

Easy. Just treat Melo like any other player.

If he defends and plays within a team concept where he's no longer the first option then there won't be a problem. If he does neither, then he sits.

If the young guys can't appreciate that level of meritocracy, then there are bigger culture issues than Melo's presence.

hopefully the FO has hornacek's back in terms of a new culture/meritocracy. melo can be a bit of a primadonna. then again, he has it in him to be the good soldier. this season his character will be revealed once and for all.

as I said in the "you're the GM" thread this team has to tie Hornesek's job not to wins/losses but to improved playing style

he has to be given the clear instructions that players who dont play the right way dont play. regardless of contract, name and potential

thats as true for Melo as for THjr as for Noah and KP

[battabing10]

Easy. Just treat Melo like any other player.

If he defends and plays within a team concept where he's no longer the first option then there won't be a problem. If he does neither, then he sits.

If the young guys can't appreciate that level of meritocracy, then there are bigger culture issues than Melo's presence.

hopefully the FO has hornacek's back in terms of a new culture/meritocracy. melo can be a bit of a primadonna. then again, he has it in him to be the good soldier. this season his character will be revealed once and for all.

as I said in the "you're the GM" thread this team has to tie Hornesek's job not to wins/losses but to improved playing style

he has to be given the clear instructions that players who dont play the right way dont play. regardless of contract, name and potential

thats as true for Melo as for THjr as for Noah and KP

I could not agree more. It's the only way.

[god shammgod]

i would stay for this. the glo up is real.

[Greenie]

How do you continue to. It get it?

He wants to stay here because he loves NYC
He wants to stay here because his kid lives here, has a life here, goes to school here

He doesn't want to uproot his life because the team that committed to him has failed and changed its course.

He's not collecting a check.
And if he was there wouldn't be anything wrong with doing so

Quit the bs

That's all fine and good then. Were going to look at this from a perspective like this is a regular job. The reasoning sited here is not basketball related.

Assuming these are his priorities at this point, he should be cool to do what is asked of him by his employer correct?

He still gets to stay in the city he loves.

He doesn't have to uproot his child, or if that is not an option due to LALA he doesn't have to be away from his child.

If his child is the first priority, I certainly don't disagree with that.

But that goes out the window if he gets to play with his buddies in HOU?

IM calling BS

for starters you can't look at it like a regular job because its one in the public eye, celebrity based, and his "brand" is his person


But to us a "regular job" analogy were talking about a job where your employers told you they were building the company around you and gave you a contract of the kind that would keep you from going to a competitor. To sweeten the pot they told you they couldn't break the contract, only you could. and then after a couple years they started badmouthing you around town and talked about your flaws as a professional. then they decided to move you and your contract. But you didn't want to go. So you said no. then a couple of your friends joined up and a rival company and you said ok, thats one place I'm willing to go to. not that you want to go but you will allow that one destination.

sorry, but thats not unreasonable

its lame for us as fans because we want to move Melo to a place thats gonna benefit this team

but its not melos fault
its the teams fault. all day long.

be pissed at Jackson

Thank you!

Some fans get it and some simply don't.

[blueNorange]

Melo wants to play with hi friends, if they go to another team, he'll open his list to include that team. That's the only reason why he wants to go to Houston. CP3 has also opted in to his last season, so melo via trade can also get his final year. it makes perfect sense for him.

But Houston isn't offering that the Knicks as a rebuilding team want, so Melo is going nowhere. he'll likely be in training camp and start the season here, unless Houston finds a away to offer more.

Just that simple.

Now if the Knicks mgt are true to what they say, then Melo probably will have a rather uncomfortable season because the offense and certainly the defense will not be centered around him.

From there is where things will get interesting.

i kinda want melo to stay now, and see him be the fugazy that he is and complain that he's not getting touches.

better yet, have him in a suit. big FU to him and his ego, the world don't revolve around him and more importantly he has zero leverage.

[Nazrmohamed]

Yeah. OKC in particular would be pretty bomber with him given what they would likely have to give up. Maybe even better than Houston. Portland is a better city but probably not his cup of tea.

Westbrook might average 30 points and 20 assists for the season with Melo and George on the wing instead of scrubs like Oladipo and Jerami Grant. Westbrook wouldn't know what to do with all the spacing they'd provide.

Did you say Melo and spacing in the same sentence? When have you seen that on the Knicks?

You literally cannot use the Knicks as a measure of how ANYONE would play while off the Knicks. Melos the best player on the Knicks. There's never even been a question of this. And me saying this isnt saying hes the best so he has the freedom to do X but rather a responsibility to do X.

Hes gotta create offense for the Knicks not the Thunder/Cavs or many of the other teams being suggested. On those other teams they got elite playmakers off the dribble, freeing Anthony to space.

[blueNorange]

He took less shots than the year before.

The interest would be to keep him performing and healthy so that a trade is still on the table possibly.

The bold is 100% wrong. he shot more on worse efficiency despite having D. rose heisting shots every chance he got.

Melo trade value isn't very good no matter how "fresh" he is. he's a declining player who's best skill is diminishing rapidly. If anything keeping him fresh helps the team he joins, which is why if it were me...he goes nowhere.

He can opt out at the end of the year if he wants to leave so bad.

My bad.

18.2 to 18.8


Which is down from 20.2 in 2014 and 21.3 in 2013...

and?

shooting more than everyone is still shooting more than everyone else.

[blueNorange]

The same way people hate Melo for using his NTC. It was given to him and he's collecting.

Why didn't STAT retire?

No one should be mad at Melo for using his NTC. But at the same time, you shouldn't be upset if the Knicks decide to not treat him as nicely shall we say. It's not in the contract for them to do anything other than pay him. If they decide to reduce his minutes, or role, or not even play him, it's completely within their right to do so. As long as they pay him.

That's silly.

That's like saying if we don't trade him he has every right to dog it. No he doesn't

yet players in every sport dog it all the time if they're sulking.

like melo during d'antoni, he barely cared. or even more recent, melo this past season. he dogged it so many games, even purposely getting himself ejected.

[Greenie]

Westbrook might average 30 points and 20 assists for the season with Melo and George on the wing instead of scrubs like Oladipo and Jerami Grant. Westbrook wouldn't know what to do with all the spacing they'd provide.

Did you say Melo and spacing in the same sentence? When have you seen that on the Knicks?

You literally cannot use the Knicks as a measure of how ANYONE would play while off the Knicks. Melos the best player on the Knicks. There's never even been a question of this. And me saying this isnt saying hes the best so he has the freedom to do X but rather a responsibility to do X.

Hes gotta create offense for the Knicks not the Thunder/Cavs or many of the other teams being suggested. On those other teams they got elite playmakers off the dribble, freeing Anthony to space.

They don't get it.

[blueNorange]

I really wish folks would be honest with this. If you want Melo to have a chance to win and the Knicks to take a garbage deal to make it possible, just say so. It would really establish where your sword stands, because right now it's rather obvious from reading some of the above post...that is exactly what some are desiring. Just be honest.

wait, are you saying there's melo fans that don't care about what benefits the knicks?