Did Phil fall asleep On Donovan Mitchell workout?

[thebuzzardman]

This reminds me of when the Knicks start out hot and have the whole city behind them, then lose 3 in a row, and the fans say to trade everyone, fire everyone, and that everyone in the organization is an idiot.

Or when fans search around the league for guys being paid similar money as a certain Knick player, putting up better numbers than said Knick player, and then claim the organization is inept because they didn't predict what you get to see on paper in hingsight.

As fans, it's so easy to look at everything AFTER the fact, and then decide who's an idiot and who's not. Or decide who's a great player or a great draft pick months into the season. It really doesn't take much effort or knowledge, but fans still pat themselves on the back for having these ideas. Fans will convince themselves that they are smarter and more cut out for a certain GM job based on these "findings", and no one can convince these types of people otherwise. Totally delusional if you ask me.

So here we have the same thing. Our rookie is struggling offiensively on some nights, not getting the minutes other guys are getting. 19 years old, and living in his own reality, creating his own story on a different team, in a different environment. Then.. a talented kid like Mitchell drops 40 points, and you guys revert to some kind of 10-year-old kid's mindset. "OMG, we should have drafted him, Phil is such an IDIOT".

Lol. It's really funny to watch you guys go to work.

I'm still taking Frank over this kid and anyone else. I've learned to just appreciate the... "process".. if you will. I've learned to appreciate the guys who are on the team, not just for their physical ability, but for who they are as people. This same behavior from fans is what has so many people here eating crow on guys like Kanter and KP. So why not just shut up for once? We can appreciate other players and their talent without crapping on the Knicks in the process. Even if Mitchell does turn out to be the better player.. as long as Frank is a good player in his own right... how can you prosecute the team for not having a crystal ball, or not having the luxury of sitting in their tighty whities while they pass judgment on every transaction weeks after the fact, with no consuequences for their predictions and decisions?

Knicks fans need a spiritual awakening.

So wait, are you saying you dislike when fans or laymen run with outrageous ideas about someone or something after the fact? Interesting.

[blanko]

Mitchell imho is an undersized shooting guard.

[whocares1]

Mitchell imho is an undersized shooting guard.

They said the same thing about Russell Westbrook.

[ChaosHamster]

This team has enough low IQ chuckers.

[NoStatsGuy]

every year someone is flying under the radar. this year its mitchell.. would be nice to have him, but i havent given up on frank yet. we didnt draft him to be our new #1 guy on offense. Franks real value will show in 2-3 years. because hes so young and raw..

which initially seemed good because we thought we would lose 55 games, but now maybe mitchell or smith wouldve been better for the short term view. we are in some kind of dilemma, because our team shows promise to be good in the near future. who knows if we have 3 years to wait for frank, this season showed none of us knows. because i was ready to abandon the season after the first couple games.

i mean sure, january gon be rough. are we still .500 then? i dont know. but at the moment, some help for KP would be really nice. long term i think frank is going to be a nice player. which can be much more valuable than mitchell or smith. because frank has stuff that these two dont have

[thebuzzardman]

Casual fans will forever be disappointed even when he's better in 2 years because he's never going to put up huge numbers or have a flashy game. Just boring really good defense and team play. Get used to it.

[Sark]

How many people lost their sht when Brandon Jennings dropped 55 his rookie year?

[blanko]

Mitchell imho is an undersized shooting guard.

They said the same thing about Russell Westbrook.

And they were right. Says something when Durant doesn't want to play with you.

[knickstape21]

If only we had won a few more games and had the 10th pick, he would have been ours. Was sold on Mitchell after watching 2 full Louisville games, especially the one where he roasted Dennis Smith. Kids a stud.

[eagle54]

Mitchell is a very good player but not a true PG. Good for Jazz but knicks need a PG and take Frank. So we need to create a new topic after every good perf by another rookie ??
Fox Monk Ball Smith Mitchell Isaac etc have all bad games too. Maybe it's just a very very good draft so it's logical to see some flashs for every rookies but no need to create new topic for this every time a rookie is good and clashed PJ . We only have one pick and take a good potential but there are 10-15 others goods potentials too in this draft...

[HEZI]

Mitchell is a very good player but not a true PG. Good for Jazz but knicks need a PG and take Frank. So we need to create a new topic after every good perf by another rookie ??
Fox Monk Ball Smith Mitchell Isaac etc have all bad games too. Maybe it's just a very very good draft so it's logical to see some flashs for every rookies but no need to create new topic for this every time a rookie is good and clashed PJ . We only have one pick and take a good potential but there are 10-15 others goods potentials too in this draft...

I'm just gonna address the first part about the "true PG". Jazz actually play better when Rubio is on the bench and Mitchell is running the show. Last night was a good example, Mitchell brought the team back from double digit deficit and not only was he scoring but he was finding guys in transition with sweet dimes. He goes to the bench to get rest and Rubio (a true PG) replaces him and the Jazz lose the lead. Mitchell comes back and Rubio is benched and he brings his team back and they win the game. Mitchell is not some chucker, he's a play maker who's more than capable of running PG on the NBA level. Just because a guy has scoring ability doesn't mean he can't be a PG or considered a "true PG". What is a true PG in the modern NBA anyway? Rondo? Rubio? These guys have so many flaws on offense that it actually hurts their teams more than some people think. Also, if Frank is a "true PG" then people need to stop complaining about his lack of aggression, asking him to shoot more, attack the basket more, etc. because essentially your asking him to play like Donovan Mitchell

[blueNorange]

.514 ts% off 28.2 usage rating.

if he was a knick the common theme with mitchell would be "this dude needs to stop chucking"

[Knicksfan20]

Mitchell imho is an undersized shooting guard.

They said the same thing about Russell Westbrook.

Russel couldn’t shoot

[Fat]

Mitchell is a very good player but not a true PG. Good for Jazz but knicks need a PG and take Frank. So we need to create a new topic after every good perf by another rookie ??
Fox Monk Ball Smith Mitchell Isaac etc have all bad games too. Maybe it's just a very very good draft so it's logical to see some flashs for every rookies but no need to create new topic for this every time a rookie is good and clashed PJ . We only have one pick and take a good potential but there are 10-15 others goods potentials too in this draft...

This is a scoring guards league if frank doesn't find a way to be threat on the floor offensively he will remain a bench player, its 4 vs 5 when he's on the court. Also most his assits come from the lonzo ball syndrome of just passing the ball while the receiver shoots it but there no real set up or vision kick outs.

[thebuzzardman]

Mitchell is a very good player but not a true PG. Good for Jazz but knicks need a PG and take Frank. So we need to create a new topic after every good perf by another rookie ??
Fox Monk Ball Smith Mitchell Isaac etc have all bad games too. Maybe it's just a very very good draft so it's logical to see some flashs for every rookies but no need to create new topic for this every time a rookie is good and clashed PJ . We only have one pick and take a good potential but there are 10-15 others goods potentials too in this draft...

This is a scoring guards league if frank doesn't find a way to be threat on the floor offensively he will remain a bench player, its 4 vs 5 when he's on the court. Also most his assits come from the lonzo ball syndrome of just passing the ball while the receiver shoots it but there no real set up or vision kick outs.

If you don't see Frank making some good passes or passes to the pass that help run the offense, then not sure what you are watching. He certainly doesn't have many drive and kick assists but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad PG, though of course he needs to pick up his scoring.
Put it another way. Marbury was all about drive and kick and he really wasn't that good as a PG. Was he good? Yes. Could he score? Yes. Was he a good passer? Sort of. Was he a good PG? Not really.

[Rasho Brezec]

I'm more bothered that #13 was traded for #24 and some dude named Trey Lyles. A package around Willy could've topped that.

[Jimmit79]

Mitchell is a undersized scorer no thanks i'll take frank or heck even dsj over him.

[MP4LIFE]

Just look at some of the earlier posts this year about Frank from the same people pouting in this thread. And some of those people have the nerve to call me bi-polar lol.

Frank was the best PG in the draft a few weeks ago. A generational talent. A transcendent defensive player. A unicorn in his own right. Then, a few less-than-stellar performances and a 40 point game from Mitchell, and it's the KNICKS who are stupid lol.

Look at what y'all did with KP: crapped on the pick. Then declared him the next great player after he went off in the first few weeks of his rookie season. Then as he came back to earth a little bit and had to find his way in the league like most kids, the Knicks became idiots again. Karl Anthony Towns was the savior we missed out on by winning meaningless games. Knicks were SUCH idiots.

But wait... there's more. KP looked like the GOAT in the first few weeks of this season, and somehow KAT became a one-dimensional player. Maybe the Knicks AREN'T idiots after all!!! KP really is an alpha. OMG, we were wrong on that one!!

Wait... is KP struggling again? Wow, Knicks are idiots. They should have taken Jokic.

Nothing says "IDIOT" like that does. But here comes Mr. Perfect to tell me he's forgotten more about basketball than I'll ever know lmao.

Go ahead, I'll let you fellas have your fun now. STUPID KNICKS!!!!

But it’s true. I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know. Because all you know is to making long winded whiny posts about how people are ‘haters’ and not blindly supporting every Knicks player and transaction. I don’t know who made you the authority on Knicks fandom but - breaking news - you aren’t the authority on anything.

Anyone who thought Frank was the best PG in the draft, a unicorn, etc - aka probably you and you alone since I never saw that sentiment expressed anywhere else - should understand basketball better. Frank is a nice player with potential to be a good starter in the league. Saying another player is better than him and that we should have maybe drafted someone else isn’t a knock on him. It’s just reality. Again, it’s a hard concept to grasp for you since you don’t live in reality. You live in a reality where you’re posting on ‘vacation’ with your ‘girlfriend’ about ‘embarrassing fools’ on a basketball message board. Nobody is putting down Frank. But if someone said we should have drafted Russell Westbrook over OJ Mayo, for example, I’d say yes, you’re right. I would also rather have Westbrook. But I also like Mr. Mayo. He’s a solid player. Given the choice, though, I’d take Westbrook 10 times out of 10 knowing then what I know now. Same goes for Frank. He is going to be better than OJ Mayo but I don’t see superstardom in Frank’s future. And that’s okay - not every lotto pick is an all star. As lon as he is productive and not bricking shots and turning it over then he’ll be the best point guard we’ve had in more than 2 decades.

Please, more long winded posts crying about other members of this forum, though.

[Zingod]

if we pick Mitchell what free agent were we signing at PG?

Ron Baker

[Mecca]

SpidaMitch going to be a star in this league. I see some flashes of Dwayne Wade in his game to be honest. Not a perfect comparison at all, but has some of the similar skill sets.

I had once concern about Frank coming out. If you don't have elite athleticism, what is your ceiling as a PG? I still like Frank a ton, but he's going to have to work on his demeanor and confidence if he wants to live up to his potential. I'm confident he will. It will just take some time.