There is reason why frank isn't starting and that is because jeff doesn't think he is ready per ian begley twitter

[KnicksGod]

Fox was 0-5 first half but got time and went 2-7, and the Kings came back and won.

[HEZI]

It's not that big of a deal. Rookie year for a raw prospect.

[Sark]

It's not that big of a deal. Rookie year for a raw prospect.

I think the point is to get Frank more minutes, especially with the starters, than his actual production. The people that want to see him play more can give 2 fcks about his turnovers or how many shots he gets. It's about getting him acclimated to the NBA, and that is very hard to do when his minutes are so sporadic.

[seren]

It's easy to blame Hornacek but he's a coach trying to win and keep his paycheck. A coach will always sacrifice development for wins unless they have been given some kind of guarantee. I really blame Mills/Perry for this but who knows perhaps they ain't feeling Frank like that.

I would never blame a coach for incompetence. This is Hornacek's toolkit. This is who he is. He pretty much sucks at his job. Nothing to be blamed for. I am blaming his bosses to give him the job to begin with and still keeping him after he is proven the job is way over his head.

[HEZI]

It's not that big of a deal. Rookie year for a raw prospect.

I think the point is to get Frank more minutes, especially with the starters, than his actual production. The people that want to see him play more can give 2 fcks about his turnovers or how many shots he gets. It's about getting him acclimated to the NBA, and that is very hard to do when his minutes are so sporadic.

This is all it is, really. People are complaining because they just want to watch him play. All this stuff about his development and whatnot is just some fake reason people give to basically say "I just want to watch him play".

[eagle54]

It's a clear step down from NCAA Division 1. Frank barely played too. It was a pure guess on potential alone. Luckily for the Knicks most of the guards besides Mitchell have stunk it up so far.

No, you are wrong... But you don't know the league so how can you judge ? Just with stats ? it just a proof you don't know the euro leagues and their operations....
It's true leagues with true trophies and pro players, no time to give 30 min to develop a teenager for NBA...

[seren]

Some of the laughable dramatic quotes I saw:

"You guys don't care about Frank. You just want a new toy." Dude, grow up a little. This is NBA. There is almost no practice time. It is all about games. Players learn on the job. We also have eyes and watch this game. It has been quite obvious Frank can and do better with starters around him and the team actually does some winning. It is absolutely fun to see your young players play hard and do little things they never did before. And it helps the player. No question.

"But but but Hornacek's contract is expiring so he needs to win". Seriously, do you guys believe the FO will give a f@ck if Hornacek runs Jack and company to 34 wins? Does anyone in the league say oh look at Hornacek made Jack cool again or oh look he stood up to Noah he must be a great leader.

"Coach has to play guys he believes he will win with". This is absolutely a self defeating argument. Yes. I agree. Hornacek is playing the guys he believes he will win with. That is THE problem. His heart is in the wrong place. Frank/KP has good chemistry. So he makes sure they rarely play together. Shooting is important in this league. Look at dwindling minutes of our very few shooters. Few times we played KP/Frank with shooters, we got really good results.

Here is one of the many games Hornacek showed he has no feel of the game:
http://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400975314

Doug is playing very decent in the fourth quarter. We made a comeback starting late third with Doug on the floor. Miami is spreading the floor so it is most natural to follow the suit. With Doug/Frank and Baker on the floor we came from behind and take the lead. Five minutes to go and Hornacek takes out both Baker and Doug. He doesn't bring Doug back until the last possession when we are down three at which point Doug drains the shot and takes the game overtime. In between, KP surrounded by limited shooters like Jack and LFT on the floor becomes ineffective. Hornacek does this same idiotic thing again and again. That is why I want Hornacek gone. We need a real coach here.

[Billy Goat]

It's a clear step down from NCAA Division 1. Frank barely played too. It was a pure guess on potential alone. Luckily for the Knicks most of the guards besides Mitchell have stunk it up so far.

No, you are wrong... But you don't know the league so how can you judge ? Just with stats ? it just a proof you don't know the euro leagues and their operations....
It's true leagues with true trophies and pro players, no time to give 30 min to develop a teenager for NBA...

I'm judging by the amount of NBA players coming out of the French league vs NCAA Division 1.

[SmoothLefty21]

What is this weird assertion the last few pages that everyone who wants to see Frank get more minutes is only doing it for selfish/entertainment reasons? That is a bizarre take.

[Da ThRONe]

And the reason for not starting Burke?

[dakomish23]

It's not that big of a deal. Rookie year for a raw prospect.

I think the point is to get Frank more minutes, especially with the starters, than his actual production. The people that want to see him play more can give 2 fcks about his turnovers or how many shots he gets. It's about getting him acclimated to the NBA, and that is very hard to do when his minutes are so sporadic.

This is all it is, really. People are complaining because they just want to watch him play. All this stuff about his development and whatnot is just some fake reason people give to basically say "I just want to watch him play".

What?

So it’s not about wanting him to work through the struggles and overcome them or to build chemistry with KP and other young pieces of the future?

We just want to see him run and up down the court?

What?

[dakomish23]

What is this weird assertion the last few pages that everyone who wants to see Frank get more minutes is only doing it for selfish/entertainment reasons? That is a bizarre take.

The defend Knicks decisions at all costs initiative is reaching hilarious levels

[eagle54]

I'm judging by the amount of NBA players coming out of the French league vs NCAA Division 1.

So you compare a pro league and a university league, okay... So Parker Batum Diaw Gobert all came from this obscur league.

[shtolky]

It's a clear step down from NCAA Division 1. Frank barely played too. It was a pure guess on potential alone. Luckily for the Knicks most of the guards besides Mitchell have stunk it up so far.

No, you are wrong... But you don't know the league so how can you judge ? Just with stats ? it just a proof you don't know the euro leagues and their operations....
It's true leagues with true trophies and pro players, no time to give 30 min to develop a teenager for NBA...

I'm judging by the amount of NBA players coming out of the French league vs NCAA Division 1.

I mean in Frank's league there are around 20 teams. There are over 340 NCAA division 1 teams. I'm still unsure why people don't realize that most of the euro pro leagues would destroy college teams.

[vallen]

The development is going on outside of the games. People throw the word development around but in actuality they really mean entertainment.

They just want to see him play. So they can over analyze every step he takes. They’ll stop watching the team and only watch the player. Come up with off the wall comparisons and fantasize about him becoming that player. All to have something to stand for on a forum. Like it’s politics.

Then in two years, they’ll get bored of that. They’ll lose faith because he doesn’t fulfill their over hyped fantasies. They’ll turn on him. And seek the next unknown to do it again. Likely some 2nd round pick. Or undrafted d leaguer.

That’s really what it’s all about. So why not just be real about it? That’s why you want the coach fired.

The proof is right here. Jeff is garbage for playing vets over young players. Right? Your not getting enough frank.

Same with Willy.

Yet. The most seasoned and accomplished vet on the team had to be sent away because he’s upset about not playing. A much younger player gets the nod.

You’d think that maybe,... that alone would kill that line of thinking.

The funny thing is, most people that frequent this forum, for once, were mostly in agreement. Noah is done and should not play. And that’s what happens. He bucks. And you want heads to roll? It was your idea!

Y’all don’t give a **** about frank. The kid isn’t comfortable. His legs have hurt off and on since he was drafted. You don’t care about his long term development. You just want to use him as a pawn in your agenda games.

And just like with the Noah situation. If frank goes out there, plays more and gets hurt. Or regresses. You’ll be calling for heads to roll. When it was your idea.


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Very good post. The depth in NBA2k has made every fanboy think that all you have to do is play rookies, and simulate seasons and you live happily ever after with no real life implications.

[Billy Goat]

I'm judging by the amount of NBA players coming out of the French league vs NCAA Division 1.

So you compare a pro league and a university league, okay... So Parker Batum Diaw Gobert all came from this obscur league.

Parker and Diaw have been in the league forever. Just comparing the overall talent coming out of the ACC vs the French league, yeah it's not the same.

[HEZI]

I think the point is to get Frank more minutes, especially with the starters, than his actual production. The people that want to see him play more can give 2 fcks about his turnovers or how many shots he gets. It's about getting him acclimated to the NBA, and that is very hard to do when his minutes are so sporadic.

This is all it is, really. People are complaining because they just want to watch him play. All this stuff about his development and whatnot is just some fake reason people give to basically say "I just want to watch him play".

What?

So it’s not about wanting him to work through the struggles and overcome them or to build chemistry with KP and other young pieces of the future?

We just want to see him run and up down the court?

What?

Yup basically. Like I said, it's not a big deal because he's still a rookie. You want to pretend like he's going to tackle all these obstacles in year 1. Right now he's adjusting to a whole new culture, he's learning what life in the NBA is all about, the tough schedule and constant traveling. He's learning the language, he's adjusting to the people and the environment around him. It's year 1, y'all act like his NBA career is dependent on this 1 year. All this other stuff you talk about can be accomplished later down the road, if the kid really is part of the future. He's not the first or last rookie that will come off the bench and not see too many minutes in year 1. That won't stunt his development one bit. If anything, it will make him work harder in the summer, motivate him and keep him hungry. You guys just love to overreact.

[TheGreenArrow]

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See thats how its done.

[shtolky]

This is all it is, really. People are complaining because they just want to watch him play. All this stuff about his development and whatnot is just some fake reason people give to basically say "I just want to watch him play".

What?

So it’s not about wanting him to work through the struggles and overcome them or to build chemistry with KP and other young pieces of the future?

We just want to see him run and up down the court?

What?

Yup basically. Like I said, it's not a big deal because he's still a rookie. You want to pretend like he's going to tackle all these obstacles in year 1. Right now he's adjusting to a whole new culture, he's learning what life in the NBA is all about, the tough schedule and constant traveling. He's learning the language, he's adjusting to the people and the environment around him. It's year 1, y'all act like his NBA career is dependent on this 1 year. All this other stuff you talk about can be accomplished later down the road, if the kid really is part of the future. He's not the first or last rookie that will come off the bench and not see too many minutes in year 1. That won't stunt his development one bit. If anything, it will make him work harder in the summer, motivate him and keep him hungry. You guys just love to overreact.

Your last sentence says it all. Frank has played well this season given his utter lack of experience, his age, and him learning a new culture. His per 36 numbers give a nice glimpse at the player he can be. 10 ppg, 6 apg, 4 rpg, 2 spg. This season for him was about getting his feet wet, showing us some potential, and staying healthy. So far so good.

[Greenie]

Read on Twitter

See thats how its done.

The Knicks ain’t with it.