[2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Would love to see something like this:

Knicks trade: 9, 36, Lee, Timmy
Grizz trade: 4, Parsons

Aren’t the Grizzlies trying to be a good team next year? They get rid of their dead weight — the worst contract in the NBA, Chandler Parsons. They add two very solid rotation players in Lee and Hardaway. That would immediately improve their depth. They also add an early second rounder. And for all of that, all they have to do is move down 5 little spots.

For New York: Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...and your deadweight players with terrible contracts. By doing this, we’ll ensure that we’ll be terrible in 2018-2019, we maintain our 2019 cap flexibility, and we remove an additional $17 Million off the books for 2020. Oh, and we’ll also get either Doncic or Bamba to add to our core.


Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think there are a lot of teams around the league who would be willing to take on $50 Million ($25 mill per year for the next two years) of deadweight. We can do that for the Grizzlies, give them two solid players, an early second rounder, and they just have to move down 5 spots.

Give em Burke and keep 36. Send a future second or something light. 36 in this draft is a sweet spot, as is 9.

[blanko]

There is no reason to give 9th pick if ur taking on that insane contract...parsons 4th for lee Thomas 36th should be enough for 60 plus millions down the drain ...hello James Dolan

you're undervaluing the #4 pick in the draft. It's a deep draft

It doesnt matter how deep the draft is, no one should be giving up a significant asset (like pick 9!!!) + taking on 49M over 2 years for a bum like Parsons who cant even play. You ONLY do that deal if you get pick 4 for something like Lee or THJR plus Lance...maybe a 2nd rd pick as a sweetner for 4. Parsons is done to the point where youre likely only relying on a medical waiver to get you out of that deal

You can argue that taking parsons contract is with a 1st. Even then we would need to throw in a very lightly protected 2019 pick or a unproctedted 2020 pick

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[Boik14]

you're undervaluing the #4 pick in the draft. It's a deep draft

It doesnt matter how deep the draft is, no one should be giving up a significant asset (like pick 9!!!) + taking on 49M over 2 years for a bum like Parsons who cant even play. You ONLY do that deal if you get pick 4 for something like Lee or THJR plus Lance...maybe a 2nd rd pick as a sweetner for 4. Parsons is done to the point where youre likely only relying on a medical waiver to get you out of that deal

You can argue that taking parsons contract is with a 1st. Even then we would need to throw in a very lightly protected 2019 pick or a unproctedted 2020 pick

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You can argue it, but youd be wrong. The idea that you should take on 49m in what amounts to dead money AND give up pick 9 is silly to put ot plainly. Youre hamstringing your cap for 2 years with that and Noahs deal. Unless youre guaranteeing me a Duncan or a Jordan like player i want no part of it.

[blanko]

It doesnt matter how deep the draft is, no one should be giving up a significant asset (like pick 9!!!) + taking on 49M over 2 years for a bum like Parsons who cant even play. You ONLY do that deal if you get pick 4 for something like Lee or THJR plus Lance...maybe a 2nd rd pick as a sweetner for 4. Parsons is done to the point where youre likely only relying on a medical waiver to get you out of that deal

You can argue that taking parsons contract is with a 1st. Even then we would need to throw in a very lightly protected 2019 pick or a unproctedted 2020 pick

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You can argue it, but youd be wrong. The idea that you should take on 49m in what amounts to dead money AND give up pick 9 is silly to put ot plainly. Youre hamstringing your cap for 2 years with that and Noahs deal. Unless youre guaranteeing me a Duncan or a Jordan like player i want no part of it.

Noah's cntract is exactly why we should do this. All we are doing is pushing our free agent signing year one year. Is that much of a difference? I dont think so. The question is how good do you think luca is? I think that his strengths of shooting and passing will easiky translate. If luca relied on his athletic ability in europe then I would balk..
However it is his skills thar make him special. I see him as a better shooting smaller more athletic toni or taller bigger bit less athletic manu.

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[Sark]

It doesnt matter how deep the draft is, no one should be giving up a significant asset (like pick 9!!!) + taking on 49M over 2 years for a bum like Parsons who cant even play. You ONLY do that deal if you get pick 4 for something like Lee or THJR plus Lance...maybe a 2nd rd pick as a sweetner for 4. Parsons is done to the point where youre likely only relying on a medical waiver to get you out of that deal

You can argue that taking parsons contract is with a 1st. Even then we would need to throw in a very lightly protected 2019 pick or a unproctedted 2020 pick

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You can argue it, but youd be wrong. The idea that you should take on 49m in what amounts to dead money AND give up pick 9 is silly to put ot plainly. Youre hamstringing your cap for 2 years with that and Noahs deal. Unless youre guaranteeing me a Duncan or a Jordan like player i want no part of it.

What are we doing in the next 2 years that we need that cap space for? We have a chance at building a great core of KP, Frank, and Doncic/Bamba. That's easily worth taking a bad contract for 2 years.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Bomba
KP
Williams
Burke as Iverson lite
Frank

Fiz talked about a loud and nasty defense like the Larry Brown Sixers. That’d be putting your money where your mouth is. Sixers on steroids. Outside of the Allen downgrade, but he’d (Burke) beast in the screeen and roll game with this crew. I still wonder how KP and Bomba fit but its hella intriguing.

I refuse to get my hopes up. Word.

[matchman]

Wake me up after the draft is done, now I go back to watch some world cup games to ease the nerves.

[blanko]

If we can somehow get the 4 and keep our 9. I will literally cry. If we ger luca and mikal /knox....

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[Wonderllama]

Watched way too many YouTube videos just now, but I'm convinced. Give me KNOX!

[Fat]

The allure of KP and Bamba is simple...7’3 KP and 7’1” Bamba (7’10” wingspan). You’re saying KP is going to be a long 4 a la Durant. I’m very open to the idea it can work.

With an established shot blocker at the rim, KP won't feel the need to help out as much.

He's a decent perimeter defender when he stays home on his man.

I think Bamba might be a better perimeter defender than KP. He's very athletic. He's the only big man I'd be ok with pairing with KP. because of the insane length and shot blocking/intimidation it would bring to the team.

My only thing is why would you draft bamba to make him a perimeter defender when he is a bonafide stud defensively as a rim protector his potential as a paint enforcer is crazy

i would definitely still draft him though easily the best upside in the draft and i dont care about fit i just want the best player possible we could acquire. Ntilkina/KP/Bamba is impressive length out there on the court

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Howsa bout:
Grizz get: Tim, Lee and 12 (Miles Bridges)
Clips get: Burke, Mudiay, 9 and 2020 (top 12 protected) 1st from NYK
NYK gets: Chandler Parsons, 4 (Bomba), 13 (Knox)

[Clyde_Style]

Bamba might have Hakeem type potential since his foot speed is unheard of for his height and Olajuwon was the fleetest of foot among the greatest centers of the NBA.

As Bamba gets stronger he could learn to body up and spin off his defenders like the Dream did.

Hakeem had the best pivot foot for a big man I ever saw. You literally had no way of knowing which direction he was going to turn and it was super quick once he did so whether he pulled up and shoot, stepped back or went inside he was already a step ahead.

With the extra length Bamba has the ability to snake around people like that would = free candy.

His sprint speeds are bonkers. I watched some video and his defensive footwork is already pretty advanced when he is locked in. He has absolutely no problem moving his feet to match guys much smaller than him which is not a common trait for a seven footer. The only thing that would hold him back is effort and desire to study and learn, because the talent is there. He surely can get a hell of lot stronger and his frame looks like he can mature into a durable build.

[nytonm]

We're not getting Doncic. Atlanta's gonna take him, even if it's just to trade him. We have nothing Atlanta would want unless we're talking about moving Frank and multiple firsts (what it would take to beat out the other offers). We may have a shot at the Memphis pick but I don't know if I do that deal if Doncic doesn't slip. Definitely not for Bamba. I don't get the fascination with him. JJJ would not only be a better pairing with KP (can defend in space, can actually shoot) he's also two years younger.

[TheDavinciCHODE]

There is no reason to give 9th pick if ur taking on that insane contract...parsons 4th for lee Thomas 36th should be enough for 60 plus millions down the drain ...hello James Dolan

So the Memphis Grizzlies essentially attach the #4 pick in a good draft, with a few generational-talent upside players for a salary dump?

Not going to happen and don't get your hopes up. They get back 0 value in that trade. Sure, Lee could be in their rotation, but they aren't giving up what is essentially Bagley, Bomba, Jackson, or Donkic for nothing. If all they wanted was a rotational piece, Cleveland would have traded Kevin Love or Dallas would have traded Harrison Barnes or someone above us would have given a much better player than Courtney Lee.

No way we are getting #4 for Courtney Lee and taking on salary. There are plenty of teams looking to take on salary for the chance at a generational talent.

I could see the Knicks getting #4 by trading Lee, Lance, Burke, #36, AND a top 5 protected 19 1st that goes unprotected in 2020, but that's a longshot too. With Luka apparently slipping in drafts, no way is Memphis giving that pick up easy.

[TheDavinciCHODE]

We're not getting Doncic. Atlanta's gonna take him, even if it's just to trade him. We have nothing Atlanta would want unless we're talking about moving Frank and multiple firsts (what it would take to beat out the other offers). We may have a shot at the Memphis pick but I don't know if I do that deal if Doncic doesn't slip. Definitely not for Bamba. I don't get the fascination with him. JJJ would not only be a better pairing with KP (can defend in space, can actually shoot) he's also two years younger.

That's how I feel as well about Bamba vs JJJ, but Bamba is still very intruging with his ability to guard multiple position, get in passing lanes, transition, catch lobs, make up for getting beaten off the dribble, etc.

Our goal as a franchise doesn't have to be to play KP at center, it needs to be to keep KP as close to the rim as possible as often as possible, which is obviously easier when he's at C. Problem is we get beaten on the boards and can't defend the perimeter when he is. Bamba can make up for a lot of those mistakes by helping crash the boards AND use his length to close out/athleticism to punish teams that crash.

That's another issue with us. We sucked in transition because we had no transition talent, so teams could take advantage of that by crashing the boards without fear of anyone beating them with the exception of THJ on his good nights.

I believe JJJ is a better fit with his defense and shooting, but saying Bamba isn't VERY intriguing next to KP isn't fair.

If the world were just, we'd have a 6'9/6'10 PF that could shoot, rebound, and defend next to KP so we wouldn't get punished on rebounds (JJJ), but the world isn't just, so we will have to settle for a beast among beasts. A god amongst men.He's also skilled for his size (Bamba).


Also, KP clearly runs out of gas midway through the season and even during games. Partly due to being not used to the NBA season or out of shape or whatever, but also partly because he does so much on both ends, and as a big, that's really a tough feat. Bamba could take a lot of the rim protecting duties away AND transition duties and even half court duties. Instead of a late clock post up or play creation by KP, pick and roll with Bamba/Frank.

So yeah, gimme JJJ first, but I'm not crying if we walk away with Bamba in this draft, AND I would pay a future protected first as well.

[nykgeneralmanager]

JJJ is a better defender, more versatile defender, can actually shoot, has ability to drive (straight line for now) and is a full TWO years younger.

JJJ blows Bamba away as a prospect. It's a joke that JJJ is so much better at every aspect of basketball and two years younger yet they are projected to go back to back. The league and scouting community is overcorrecting big time for missing on Gobert.

[Icandoallthings]

SF or true PG for the love of God there is no way KP wants to spend another year chasing small ball 4's . We need wing players and perimeter d. Every team lights us up from 3 and we cant run an offense. Get it done Perry.

[stuporman]

It would be really hard to resist pulling the trigger on 4+Parsons for 9+Lee(or THJr)/Lance if that was on the table. What better pick swaps are they really being offered while unloading that money?

Is the additional year of cap hell worth getting Doncic/Bamba/J3? I'd do it if it's there to be done just for that, any more going out and I like it less.

[DOLPHIN2020]

I have accepted that as we do every year, we will not move up. Hopefully we are in a position to select Mikal (Makal to some) or Carter at No 9

[New Knicks]

We will get Mikal