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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#81 » by j4remi » Fri Aug 3, 2018 3:53 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Agreed. There was an article or editorial somewhere that the country needs to have a hard look at it's kleptocracy problem, around the Manafort case - the implication being there are LOTS of people making money off public money in an underhanded way. I'll try to find it. The article didn't doubt his guilt, just felt that part of the bigger picture was important.

What i find fascinating about the video, and I'm only 30 minutes in (yay off day!)

-> The source is NOT part of the Trump inner circle or republican inner circle

-> That she's alarmed such a person could have had access to this information regarding the hard pivot on Syria/Russia/Israel/Saudi Arabia. She later states her source had a role in hacking the election. (I guess the implication is that there was too much coordination on foreign policy with foreigners BEFORE the election, as the plan was ready to go and Flynn got marching orders from Trump hours after the WIN, no less the inauguration etc. Now, I don't think it's necessarily wrong for channels to be established by people running ahead of time, but making promises etc is over the line. Anyway, people who are experts in what is allowed or not seem convinced of foul play)

-> The person was spreading false information to her and others, she had proof of brute force attacks on the account for her blog and attempts were made to try and post comments as her.

-> Not specifically from the video, but another site (I was trying to figure out the timeline of video date - July 22) and article about her revealing her source to the FBI (July 10) but in that article, she states she felt some fear for her life, but feels protected in that if anything happened to her, either murder or theft of documents, hack etc, it would be clear exactly who was behind it.

-> Her speculation is that this person had this information so readily, and the pivot was so soon, that this Syria deal with Russia via Flynn was payoff for the assistance of hacking the election.



So, after all that, I was wondering who approached her. She had reason to fear this person, or his contacts. Yet not in the Trump circle (rules out Sater or Cohen or Bannon). Feels like a Russian embassy person. Who either has real information or all this is part of the ongoing campaign to create confusion.


It's tough to even try to guess because she has to be so cautious with what she divulges, but considering that, she gives so much more than I had heard before. The Syria decision and connection could end up being a big deal, it'd make a move to prove collusion a lot stronger if it has legs and she sounds VERY confident that it does. I listened to it when it dropped, so I'm glad you've thrown up some of the more interesting tidbits. It's a really eye-opening interview from start to finish.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#82 » by NoLayupRule » Fri Aug 3, 2018 4:09 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:anyone who grew up in NY in the 80s knew that Trump was a crook


his mentor was perhaps the biggest lowlife ever, roy cohen

i mean seriously


Roy Cohn was one of the sleaziest people who ever walked the earth.

Did you know that even though Trump considered Cohn to be a father figure, when Cohn was dying from complications from AIDS Trump didn't even go to visit him in the hospital?

Loyalty schmoyalty

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#83 » by Kampuchea » Fri Aug 3, 2018 5:08 pm

awy wrote:while it's plain to see directed coordination if you look at foreign policy and related moves by trump, proving treason is pretty difficult for two reasons.

the uncertain success of a certain exfiltration op of a secure alfa bank server.
even if the back channel communication between trump and rusrus is breached, it's secret intelligence evidence and involves a great level of exposure of methods and capabilities. this capability may already be compromised by past incidents like snowden which required the offlining of all suspected-to-be-compromised capabilities on russia and china.

there was the additional consideration of a lack of a nice cleanup after a direct exposure of the trump situation. obama was kind of caught with pants down and did not decide to breach the issue into the open. and damages to sources and capabilities, let alone political leadership obviously, 2 years into trump's reign may make a straight up exposure led by intelligence material impossible.

i'd put the chance of mueller getting trump on some sort of treason at <5%, and this being a political trial with a highly personally devoted congress backing trump at every turn, the chance of removal is not much above 5%.


Agree with this. Trump is going nowhere and may be in line for re-election.

It is beneficial that these topics are raised for increased awareness, however, I see no possibility of any real change happening. There have been a number of times where people/media on the left act as if "we've got him now!" but in the end, nothing happens besides Trump tweeting that it's all BS or fake news.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#84 » by awy » Fri Aug 3, 2018 5:15 pm

Kampuchea wrote:
awy wrote:while it's plain to see directed coordination if you look at foreign policy and related moves by trump, proving treason is pretty difficult for two reasons.

the uncertain success of a certain exfiltration op of a secure alfa bank server.
even if the back channel communication between trump and rusrus is breached, it's secret intelligence evidence and involves a great level of exposure of methods and capabilities. this capability may already be compromised by past incidents like snowden which required the offlining of all suspected-to-be-compromised capabilities on russia and china.

there was the additional consideration of a lack of a nice cleanup after a direct exposure of the trump situation. obama was kind of caught with pants down and did not decide to breach the issue into the open. and damages to sources and capabilities, let alone political leadership obviously, 2 years into trump's reign may make a straight up exposure led by intelligence material impossible.

i'd put the chance of mueller getting trump on some sort of treason at <5%, and this being a political trial with a highly personally devoted congress backing trump at every turn, the chance of removal is not much above 5%.


Agree with this. Trump is going nowhere and may be in line for re-election.

It is beneficial that these topics are raised for increased awareness, however, I see no possibility of any real change happening. There have been a number of times where people/media on the left act as if "we've got him now!" but in the end, nothing happens besides Trump tweeting that it's all BS or fake news.
the lack of a treason charge or impeachment doesn't mean there's no treasoning going on or it shouldn't be talked about as such as a political issue.

for those who understand the general geopolitical picture and history of the situation, it's pretty straightforward and obvious. but the general public is less receptive.

leftists who think hillary would start ww3 just don't have the level of foreign policy awareness to understand the seriousness of the issue. i've always advocated pushing this as a general kleptocracy/dirty finance issue, with high relevance to global distribution of wealth and how that ultimately has dire consequences for inequality and rule of law etc.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#85 » by Kampuchea » Fri Aug 3, 2018 5:35 pm

awy wrote:the lack of a treason charge or impeachment doesn't mean there's no treasoning going on or it shouldn't be talked about as such as a political issue.

for those who understand the general geopolitical picture and history of the situation, it's pretty straightforward and obvious. but the general public is less receptive.

leftists who think hillary would start ww3 just don't have the level of foreign policy awareness to understand the seriousness of the issue. i've always advocated pushing this as a general kleptocracy/dirty finance issue, with high relevance to global distribution of wealth and how that ultimately has dire consequences for inequality and rule of law etc.


Social media is certainly helping with the spread of information, albeit there is a sea of biased reporting which impacts and influences plenty of people negatively. It is a bit of a game reading those biased pieces and tearing them apart.

Unfortunately, we were/are left with such terrible choices. Hillary is conniving, Trump is something far worse.

I was left to vote for Hillary simply because the alternative was disgusting. And I did think Hillary would be a positive for our international relations while Trump would be a laughing stock. It has turned out much worse than I expected, he is not only a laughing stock but he is damaging those international relationships which I found so important for us to strengthen.

I wish these mob ties would have more of an impact on making some real change and I hope I am wrong in my belief they won't. It is interesting to read anyway, the history of those relationships and how they were developed.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#86 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Aug 3, 2018 5:49 pm

For those of you on the left and the right who are fans of "it's even deeper still" line of reasoning. From the comments section of the Wheeler video.

As opposed to other stuff written in that vein, this persons appears to not be an idiot. I thought at least 75% of it was informative and/or interesting and still deciding on the remaining 25%.

https://theviolentink.blog/2018/07/23/down-the-rabbit-hole-notes-on-marcy-wheeler-and-emptywheel/
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#87 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 3, 2018 5:57 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:And you can bet your last red cent that Justice Kennedy is now being probed by the special counsel

What has happened with the Supreme Court may prove to be a criminal action. If Mueller links up any transactions with Kennedy that trace back to Trump in any shape or form, that's a whole new scandal with massive constitutional implications.

And it certainly does appear at this time that Kennedy either accepted some form of bribe to retire earlier or there was some form of leverage used to intimidate him into doing so. There certainly is nothing normal about the way this is going down.


There's no doubt in my mind about that. It should be investigated. It appears that Kennedy coordinated with Trump for him to retire and replace him with his former clerk, Kavanaugh, who, conveniently, is a crooked president's protectionist. After Trump took office, Kennedy's legal opinions definitely took a turn to the right.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#88 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 3, 2018 6:32 pm

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ChilledAlex wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Nope, didn't say that. I feel like I'm being interviewed by CNN.



What did you say then? Trump is misunderstood all the time?

I could give you some reading materials about Putin and what Russian "government" actually is these days only problem is... it's in russian.

After reading that you would understand that ANY ties to ANY russian "businessman" or "government official" is basically ties to russian mafia. Since long story short - Kremlin is KGB+Mafia syndicate that operates worldwide, starting from illegal weapon sales, drug trafficking, human trafficking, assassinations... everything you can imagine.

And Trump as stupid as he is is just a useful idiot whos 2 priorities are: 1) lifting/easing sanctions(so that russian mafia can live luxury lifestyle everywhere they want) and 2) discrediting U.S all over the world and weakening/disrupting all global organizations it is major player in.


If thats not a treason and conspiracy worth a nice sweet vacation in jail then I don't know what is.


If a crime has been committed (and collusion is not a crime) then identify the crime, and start an investigation. Don't investigate a person, investigate a crime. Perhaps someone should tweet the OP post on to Mueller.


Are you serious? Then you haven't given it much thought or have just decided to cover your eyes and ears.

How about onspiring with a with a foreign country to undermine our presidential election in order to sway the election for its preferred candidate who they had prior agreement with for favorable treatment. Trump's a traitor? Classic quid pro quo.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/07/16/donald-trump-committing-treason/IwvTjJW4rvDdZD1vhvYMlI/story.html

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#89 » by Ignitowsky » Fri Aug 3, 2018 7:06 pm

if you listen to Trump speaking even just going back 10 years ago, it's so clear that he has some sort of cognitive impairment that seems to be getting worse. if you watch a video of him back in the 80s or 90s it's like listening to a different person
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#90 » by earthmansurfer » Fri Aug 3, 2018 8:23 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:

What did you say then? Trump is misunderstood all the time?

I could give you some reading materials about Putin and what Russian "government" actually is these days only problem is... it's in russian.

After reading that you would understand that ANY ties to ANY russian "businessman" or "government official" is basically ties to russian mafia. Since long story short - Kremlin is KGB+Mafia syndicate that operates worldwide, starting from illegal weapon sales, drug trafficking, human trafficking, assassinations... everything you can imagine.

And Trump as stupid as he is is just a useful idiot whos 2 priorities are: 1) lifting/easing sanctions(so that russian mafia can live luxury lifestyle everywhere they want) and 2) discrediting U.S all over the world and weakening/disrupting all global organizations it is major player in.


If thats not a treason and conspiracy worth a nice sweet vacation in jail then I don't know what is.


If a crime has been committed (and collusion is not a crime) then identify the crime, and start an investigation. Don't investigate a person, investigate a crime. Perhaps someone should tweet the OP post on to Mueller.


Are you serious? Then you haven't given it much thought or have just decided to cover your eyes and ears.

How about onspiring with a with a foreign country to undermine our presidential election in order to sway the election for its preferred candidate who they had prior agreement with for favorable treatment. Trump's a traitor? Classic quid pro quo.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/07/16/donald-trump-committing-treason/IwvTjJW4rvDdZD1vhvYMlI/story.html

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If you are going to accuse the President of Treason, by saying he colluded with Russia against the US, then you really better show some evidence. Shouting it will only get you so far. Trust me, you got evidence and me and everyone else will be listening.

Mueller has not shown anything (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but thus far we have 10 Russian businessman, who showed up for trial and Mueller wasn't ready for that, who put in a 100k or something for Facebook adds. Government admits it didn't affect the outcome.) We have Manafort accused of hiding money (or the like) from his dealings in the Ukraine... 10 YEARS AGO! This is a joke. You got to have more. And then there is Flynn, who keeps getting his sentencing pushed back...

Remember, collusion is not a crime. If you want to find a crime, it will have to be something like Criminal Conspiracy. And then we got a conspiracy theory, right? :wink: But seriously, I am not at all concerned here. I'll wait for the outcome of the investigation. Something tells me Mueller doesn't have much more time. He needs to show judges or someone at that level what he has in order to continue, because thus far, we have seen nothing.

It is a joke. It is a witch hunt, all created from Falsely obtaining FISA Warrants using a combination of referencing their own leaks to the media and A fake Russian Dossier CREATED by his opponent, Hillary Clinton. (Not mentioned in the FISA application. You should be worried, not us.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#91 » by Jeffrey » Fri Aug 3, 2018 8:24 pm

earthmansurfer wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Dude had to pay nearly 300 grand to have sex twice

I don't think he's as good of a dealmaker as he says he is


I disagree.
First, we don't actually know how many times he had sex with the two women.
And second, when you consider divorce settlements for a billionaire, he got a bargain basement price.

Anyway, interesting thread. As others said, so many connections to the Mafia in NY. When I was a kid, everyone and their uncle had a connection. Any problems could be solved with just 1 phone call as I remember.

Kennedy was a GREAT GREAT president. He got his money from his dad who was heavily connected to the mafia and their money had a lot to do with the Mafia. Doesn't mean JFK was a bad guy.


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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#93 » by DOT » Fri Aug 3, 2018 8:43 pm

earthmansurfer wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
If a crime has been committed (and collusion is not a crime) then identify the crime, and start an investigation. Don't investigate a person, investigate a crime. Perhaps someone should tweet the OP post on to Mueller.


Are you serious? Then you haven't given it much thought or have just decided to cover your eyes and ears.

How about onspiring with a with a foreign country to undermine our presidential election in order to sway the election for its preferred candidate who they had prior agreement with for favorable treatment. Trump's a traitor? Classic quid pro quo.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/07/16/donald-trump-committing-treason/IwvTjJW4rvDdZD1vhvYMlI/story.html

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If you are going to accuse the President of Treason, by saying he colluded with Russia against the US, then you really better show some evidence. Shouting it will only get you so far. Trust me, you got evidence and me and everyone else will be listening.

Mueller has not shown anything (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but thus far we have 10 Russian businessman, who showed up for trial and Mueller wasn't ready for that, who put in a 100k or something for Facebook adds. Government admits it didn't affect the outcome.) We have Manafort accused of hiding money (or the like) from his dealings in the Ukraine... 10 YEARS AGO! This is a joke. You got to have more. And then there is Flynn, who keeps getting his sentencing pushed back...

Remember, collusion is not a crime. If you want to find a crime, it will have to be something like Criminal Conspiracy. And then we got a conspiracy theory, right? :wink: But seriously, I am not at all concerned here. I'll wait for the outcome of the investigation. Something tells me Mueller doesn't have much more time. He needs to show judges or someone at that level what he has in order to continue, because thus far, we have seen nothing.

It is a joke. It is a witch hunt, all created from Falsely obtaining FISA Warrants using a combination of referencing their own leaks to the media and A fake Russian Dossier CREATED by his opponent, Hillary Clinton. (Not mentioned in the FISA application. You should be worried, not us.

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It looks like you have made some claims that have been refuted repeatedly and verifiably. This is not the first time you have been told this.

You are attempting to spread, as the president would say, Fake News. As Capn'O said at the beginning of this thread, if you make a fact based statement, you must provide verified sourcing. This is an informal warning. Any further attempts to gaslight and spread propoganda will be met with consequences

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#95 » by Kampuchea » Fri Aug 3, 2018 9:10 pm

magnumt wrote:https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/2096832867073493/

This MUST be fake. Right?! :roll:

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She does not appear to be in the mafia, however, I will check it out further later on.
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Post#96 » by earthmansurfer » Fri Aug 3, 2018 9:47 pm

K-DOT wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Are you serious? Then you haven't given it much thought or have just decided to cover your eyes and ears.

How about onspiring with a with a foreign country to undermine our presidential election in order to sway the election for its preferred candidate who they had prior agreement with for favorable treatment. Trump's a traitor? Classic quid pro quo.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/07/16/donald-trump-committing-treason/IwvTjJW4rvDdZD1vhvYMlI/story.html

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If you are going to accuse the President of Treason, by saying he colluded with Russia against the US, then you really better show some evidence. Shouting it will only get you so far. Trust me, you got evidence and me and everyone else will be listening.

Mueller has not shown anything (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but thus far we have 10 Russian businessman, who showed up for trial and Mueller wasn't ready for that, who put in a 100k or something for Facebook adds. Government admits it didn't affect the outcome.) We have Manafort accused of hiding money (or the like) from his dealings in the Ukraine... 10 YEARS AGO! This is a joke. You got to have more. And then there is Flynn, who keeps getting his sentencing pushed back...

Remember, collusion is not a crime. If you want to find a crime, it will have to be something like Criminal Conspiracy. And then we got a conspiracy theory, right? :wink: But seriously, I am not at all concerned here. I'll wait for the outcome of the investigation. Something tells me Mueller doesn't have much more time. He needs to show judges or someone at that level what he has in order to continue, because thus far, we have seen nothing.

It is a joke. It is a witch hunt, all created from Falsely obtaining FISA Warrants using a combination of referencing their own leaks to the media and A fake Russian Dossier CREATED by his opponent, Hillary Clinton. (Not mentioned in the FISA application. You should be worried, not us.

Hello

It looks like you have made some claims that have been refuted repeatedly and verifiably. This is not the first time you have been told this.

You are attempting to spread, as the president would say, Fake News. As Capn'O said at the beginning of this thread, if you make a fact based statement, you must provide verified sourcing. This is an informal warning. Any further attempts to gaslight and spread propoganda will be met with consequences

Thank you


We without a doubt know Hillary/DNC paid for the Russian Dossier. Not mentioning that on the FISA application was big.

It is clear that early in Trumps presidency, the leaks were a plenty to the press. Phone calls with foreign leaders, comey’s classified memo leaks, and on. There are many examples here.

The dates regarding the FISA applications, I think were redacted. This area will take more time, but it certainly is looking like they started spying on Trump before the applications. Bongino has been hammering this point for weeks and he has put together a compelling case. He is not the conspiracy theory kind, he is a names guy, investigative host, Police and SS background. The larger point here is this is how they spied on Trump, by getting FISA warrants for those he spoke with.

The very very bad thing is that their was no official channel used with the UK for shared data. Devin Nunez was clear here. That means what it says, no official channel. Not official? Uh oh...

If you feel I made a mistake in the above, that does not discount the knowns I started with my first points just mentioned above. In other words, there is a lot of truth I mentioned, don‘t try to say it is all false.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#97 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 3, 2018 9:53 pm

K-DOT wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Are you serious? Then you haven't given it much thought or have just decided to cover your eyes and ears.

How about onspiring with a with a foreign country to undermine our presidential election in order to sway the election for its preferred candidate who they had prior agreement with for favorable treatment. Trump's a traitor? Classic quid pro quo.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/07/16/donald-trump-committing-treason/IwvTjJW4rvDdZD1vhvYMlI/story.html

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If you are going to accuse the President of Treason, by saying he colluded with Russia against the US, then you really better show some evidence. Shouting it will only get you so far. Trust me, you got evidence and me and everyone else will be listening.

Mueller has not shown anything (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but thus far we have 10 Russian businessman, who showed up for trial and Mueller wasn't ready for that, who put in a 100k or something for Facebook adds. Government admits it didn't affect the outcome.) We have Manafort accused of hiding money (or the like) from his dealings in the Ukraine... 10 YEARS AGO! This is a joke. You got to have more. And then there is Flynn, who keeps getting his sentencing pushed back...

Remember, collusion is not a crime. If you want to find a crime, it will have to be something like Criminal Conspiracy. And then we got a conspiracy theory, right? :wink: But seriously, I am not at all concerned here. I'll wait for the outcome of the investigation. Something tells me Mueller doesn't have much more time. He needs to show judges or someone at that level what he has in order to continue, because thus far, we have seen nothing.

It is a joke. It is a witch hunt, all created from Falsely obtaining FISA Warrants using a combination of referencing their own leaks to the media and A fake Russian Dossier CREATED by his opponent, Hillary Clinton. (Not mentioned in the FISA application. You should be worried, not us.

Hello

It looks like you have made some claims that have been refuted repeatedly and verifiably. This is not the first time you have been told this.

You are attempting to spread, as the president would say, Fake News. As Capn'O said at the beginning of this thread, if you make a fact based statement, you must provide verified sourcing. This is an informal warning. Any further attempts to gaslight and spread propoganda will be met with consequences

Thank you


Thank you. I didn't have it in my to try and convince him otherwise.
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#98 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 3, 2018 10:00 pm

earthmansurfer wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
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If you are going to accuse the President of Treason, by saying he colluded with Russia against the US, then you really better show some evidence. Shouting it will only get you so far. Trust me, you got evidence and me and everyone else will be listening.

Mueller has not shown anything (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but thus far we have 10 Russian businessman, who showed up for trial and Mueller wasn't ready for that, who put in a 100k or something for Facebook adds. Government admits it didn't affect the outcome.) We have Manafort accused of hiding money (or the like) from his dealings in the Ukraine... 10 YEARS AGO! This is a joke. You got to have more. And then there is Flynn, who keeps getting his sentencing pushed back...

Remember, collusion is not a crime. If you want to find a crime, it will have to be something like Criminal Conspiracy. And then we got a conspiracy theory, right? :wink: But seriously, I am not at all concerned here. I'll wait for the outcome of the investigation. Something tells me Mueller doesn't have much more time. He needs to show judges or someone at that level what he has in order to continue, because thus far, we have seen nothing.

It is a joke. It is a witch hunt, all created from Falsely obtaining FISA Warrants using a combination of referencing their own leaks to the media and A fake Russian Dossier CREATED by his opponent, Hillary Clinton. (Not mentioned in the FISA application. You should be worried, not us.

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It looks like you have made some claims that have been refuted repeatedly and verifiably. This is not the first time you have been told this.

You are attempting to spread, as the president would say, Fake News. As Capn'O said at the beginning of this thread, if you make a fact based statement, you must provide verified sourcing. This is an informal warning. Any further attempts to gaslight and spread propoganda will be met with consequences

Thank you


We without a doubt know Hillary/DNC paid for the Russian Dossier. Not mentioning that on the FISA application was big.


No. Wrong. You speak in half truths and then form crazy theories based on half the info. If you were an attorney, you'd be disbarred. Do some fcking research, man. :banghead:

It was initiated by republicans and then, eventually, picked up by Clinton after her camp became aware of it. What's the big deal? At least we picked up information from an internal investigation contracted to one of our allies as opposed to conspiring with an enemy to hack our elections. Steele is an expert on Russia and had developed a credible network of informants over the years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

Fusion GPS, a private investigative firm, provided political opposition research against Trump in two distinct phases, with completely separate funders. Fusion GPS was first contracted by a conservative political website, The Washington Free Beacon, and Steele was not involved in that research. When Trump became the presumptive Republican Party presidential nominee on May 3, 2016, The Free Beacon stopped their backing. Separately, in April 2016, attorney Marc Elias hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump on behalf of Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC). In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele to research and compile the dossier. Steele was hired without knowing, or ever having direct contact with, his ultimate clients,[8] and his only instructions were to seek answers to this basic question: "Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most serious investors shun?"[9] Senior Clinton campaign officials were reportedly unaware that Fusion GPS had subcontracted with Steele, and Steele was not told the Clinton campaign was the ultimate recipient of his research.[10][8] Following Trump's election as president, funding from Clinton and the DNC ceased, but Steele continued his research, and was reportedly paid directly by Glenn R. Simpson, a co-founder of Fusion GPS.[11] The completed dossier was then handed to British and American intelligence services.[12] Weeks before the 2016 election, on the basis of Steele's reputation working on Russia-related matters for nearly 20 years, the FBI reached an agreement to pay Steele to continue his work, but the agreement was later terminated as information about the dossier became public.[13]
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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#99 » by DOT » Fri Aug 3, 2018 10:01 pm

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K-DOT wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
If you are going to accuse the President of Treason, by saying he colluded with Russia against the US, then you really better show some evidence. Shouting it will only get you so far. Trust me, you got evidence and me and everyone else will be listening.

Mueller has not shown anything (doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but thus far we have 10 Russian businessman, who showed up for trial and Mueller wasn't ready for that, who put in a 100k or something for Facebook adds. Government admits it didn't affect the outcome.) We have Manafort accused of hiding money (or the like) from his dealings in the Ukraine... 10 YEARS AGO! This is a joke. You got to have more. And then there is Flynn, who keeps getting his sentencing pushed back...

Remember, collusion is not a crime. If you want to find a crime, it will have to be something like Criminal Conspiracy. And then we got a conspiracy theory, right? :wink: But seriously, I am not at all concerned here. I'll wait for the outcome of the investigation. Something tells me Mueller doesn't have much more time. He needs to show judges or someone at that level what he has in order to continue, because thus far, we have seen nothing.

It is a joke. It is a witch hunt, all created from Falsely obtaining FISA Warrants using a combination of referencing their own leaks to the media and A fake Russian Dossier CREATED by his opponent, Hillary Clinton. (Not mentioned in the FISA application. You should be worried, not us.

Hello

It looks like you have made some claims that have been refuted repeatedly and verifiably. This is not the first time you have been told this.

You are attempting to spread, as the president would say, Fake News. As Capn'O said at the beginning of this thread, if you make a fact based statement, you must provide verified sourcing. This is an informal warning. Any further attempts to gaslight and spread propoganda will be met with consequences

Thank you


We without a doubt know Hillary/DNC paid for the Russian Dossier. Not mentioning that on the FISA application was big.

It is clear that early in Trumps presidency, the leaks were a plenty to the press. Phone calls with foreign leaders, comey’s classified memo leaks, and on. There are many examples here.

The dates regarding the FISA applications, I think were redacted. This area will take more time, but it certainly is looking like they started spying on Trump before the applications. Bongino has been hammering this point for weeks and he has put together a compelling case. He is not the conspiracy theory kind, he is a names guy, investigative host, Police and SS background. The larger point here is this is how they spied on Trump, by getting FISA warrants for those he spoke with.

The very very bad thing is that their was no official channel used with the UK for shared data. Devin Nunez was clear here. That means what it says, no official channel. Not official? Uh oh...

If you feel I made a mistake in the above, that does not discount the knowns I started with my first points just mentioned above. In other words, there is a lot of truth I mentioned, don‘t try to say it is all false.

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Re: OT: Twitter Thread on 3 Decades of Russian & Mafia Relationships with Trump 

Post#100 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Aug 3, 2018 10:09 pm

K-DOT wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Hello

It looks like you have made some claims that have been refuted repeatedly and verifiably. This is not the first time you have been told this.

You are attempting to spread, as the president would say, Fake News. As Capn'O said at the beginning of this thread, if you make a fact based statement, you must provide verified sourcing. This is an informal warning. Any further attempts to gaslight and spread propoganda will be met with consequences

Thank you


We without a doubt know Hillary/DNC paid for the Russian Dossier. Not mentioning that on the FISA application was big.

It is clear that early in Trumps presidency, the leaks were a plenty to the press. Phone calls with foreign leaders, comey’s classified memo leaks, and on. There are many examples here.

The dates regarding the FISA applications, I think were redacted. This area will take more time, but it certainly is looking like they started spying on Trump before the applications. Bongino has been hammering this point for weeks and he has put together a compelling case. He is not the conspiracy theory kind, he is a names guy, investigative host, Police and SS background. The larger point here is this is how they spied on Trump, by getting FISA warrants for those he spoke with.

The very very bad thing is that their was no official channel used with the UK for shared data. Devin Nunez was clear here. That means what it says, no official channel. Not official? Uh oh...

If you feel I made a mistake in the above, that does not discount the knowns I started with my first points just mentioned above. In other words, there is a lot of truth I mentioned, don‘t try to say it is all false.

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Wait. Not yet. I'm feeling invested in this now and at least want to know if he can agree with us that the opposition research contract which led to the Russia Pee Dossier was initiated by republicans who were primarying against Trump at the time. (Let's see how he/she responds.)
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