PG Thread: On the flipside, even though what we do is wrong, there's levels to this tank. The truth!(remi recap pg 19)

[Deeeez Knicks]

The chucking is contagious. Timmy starts and gets rewarded for it... Then Burke, Trier, Knox took some bad ones.... everyone is out there for there chucking away. Its brutal.

[BBALLER4FR]

Real talk. Frank looking like a bust.

you said we're foolish to think chuckaway can't improve in year 6

burke stans still hold onto him dear tight when it took him to not suck totally in year 4

but frank is a bust because he's not what you unrealistically assumed he'd be.

Frank's looking like a bust because he makes no strides whatsoever put forth effort on the offensive end whatsoever. His trajectory is looking more and more like Willy "Baby Gasol" Hernangomez. And there are still some people on this very board still waiting for him to pop!

Also, the unrealistic part of this whole thing is people actually tried to unrealistically peg him as a PG.

[2010]

Real talk. Frank looking like a bust.

you said we're foolish to think chuckaway can't improve in year 6

burke stans still hold onto him dear tight when it took him to not suck totally in year 4

but frank is a bust because he's not what you unrealistically assumed he'd be.

Your whole take is garbagelo considering your last sentence and the fact I was vocal that I didn't want him as the pick after doing my homework on him.

[drekwins]

We have 4 guys that look like real rotation players for a good team:

Trier - Amazing find.
Dotson - I like everything about his game.
Vonleh - Very solid. Does a lot well. Nothing great. Nothing terrible.
Mitch - Very unique. Potential big time game changer. Insanely raw.

Everyone else has a lot of doubt surrounding them and/or haven't proven their self yet. I'd part with any of them if it mean't getting rid of THJrs contract.

[seren]

In order to develop youth, you need a developmental coach. Someone who needs to put players at a position to succeed. Someone who has a plan. Fizdale is a man with no plan. This is not basketball we are watching. It is chaos out there. Until we have legit coaching, I am reserving my thoughts on every single player including Ntilikina.

[K_ick_God]

Maybe we should just get a new coach every month. Until 55 games in and then we decide.

[drekwins]

Real talk. Frank looking like a bust.

you said we're foolish to think chuckaway can't improve in year 6

burke stans still hold onto him dear tight when it took him to not suck totally in year 4

but frank is a bust because he's not what you unrealistically assumed he'd be.

Frank's looking like a bust because he makes no strides whatsoever put forth effort on the offensive end whatsoever. His trajectory is looking more and more like Willy "Baby Gasol" Hernangomez. And there are still some people on this very board still waiting for him to pop!

Totally opposite players. What troubles me is that Frank hasn't gotten comfortable playing in tight space. He backs up so far behind the 3pt line, he won't dribble into the heart of the defense, etc. He just swings the ball from side-to-side. His first instinct has to be to draw double-triple teams in the paint to get other guys open. Yet, he avoids those situations. It's very concerning at this point because he seems more timid than ever. I just don't see the mindset yet. I hope I'm wrong but it's concerning.

[blueNorange]

"all star" tommy chuckaway officially shooting under 40%

*.397%

When he was at 43% FG you were a church mouse though.

pretty sure i was definitely calling him tommy chuckaway and trash bro.

sorry, he sucks.

[2010]

My most complimentary statement on Frank was that he could be PG Jeter if everything broke right. But in order to be an intangibles king like that to live up to that label he would need to be a confident player. Which is something he hasn't shown. Dude loses confidence mad easy.

[MaseInYourFace]

My most complimentary statement on Frank was that he could be PG Jeter if everything broke right. But in order to be an intangibles king like that to live up to that label he would need to be a confident player. Which is something he hasn't shown. Dude loses confidence mad easy.

Jeter was a heck of a player though. Especially his first 7 years or so.

[seren]

Here is what Frank needs to do: Take the ball by force from Trier, Burke and others. Draw up his own play where there are actual screens, cuts and movement. scream his lungs out directions to other players to make sure they are moving the ball, grab the board from coach's hands to draw a basketball play that involves more than two players. Until he starts doing that, we should all call him a bust.

[thebuzzardman]

In order to develop youth, you need a developmental coach. Someone who needs to put players at a position to succeed. Someone who has a plan. Fizdale is a man with no plan. This is not basketball we are watching. It is chaos out there. Until we have legit coaching, I am reserving my thoughts on every single player including Ntilikina.

I generally agree.

However, I've seen Timmy/Tammy/Tommy suck across several coaches so I'm comfortable judging him.

[K_ick_God]

We have 4 guys that look like real rotation players for a good team:

Trier - Amazing find.
Dotson - I like everything about his game.
Vonleh - Very solid. Does a lot well. Nothing great. Nothing terrible.
Mitch - Very unique. Potential big time game changer. Insanely raw.

Everyone else has a lot of doubt surrounding them and/or haven't proven their self yet. I'd part with any of them if it mean't getting rid of THJrs contract.

And KP.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks should trade PG Jeter to the 76'ers for PG Knoblauch

[blueNorange]

Real talk. Frank looking like a bust.

you said we're foolish to think chuckaway can't improve in year 6

burke stans still hold onto him dear tight when it took him to not suck totally in year 4

but frank is a bust because he's not what you unrealistically assumed he'd be.

Your whole take is garbagelo considering your last sentence and the fact I was vocal that I didn't want him as the pick after doing my homework on him.

you not liking him doesn't negate the fact that:

1. he was always a project, even in overseas
2. he's green as hell, that was the downside
3. he's young as hell

kid still can't buy booze yet. it's not looking pretty at all for him but i'd rather it not look pretty with frank at the helm than the trash bros' that clearly get playing time because tweedle dee and tweeddle dum is making fiz play them.

[god shammgod]

The chucking is contagious. Timmy starts and gets rewarded for it... Then Burke, Trier, Knox took some bad ones.... everyone is out there for there chucking away. Its brutal.

it's encouraged. why would they stop ?

[drekwins]

I just don't see what our PG answer is. The top PG free agents are: Kyrie, Dragic, Walker, Bledsoe, Rozier, Russell, Rubio, Collison, Teague, Beverly

Our draft options don't look great either...

Given the available market, I don't think that it's a bad idea to try another reclamation project in Fultz. Otherwise, we have to land (overpay) Walker.

The PG is the most important position in the game and we don't have an answer on the horizon.

[2010]

My most complimentary statement on Frank was that he could be PG Jeter if everything broke right. But in order to be an intangibles king like that to live up to that label he would need to be a confident player. Which is something he hasn't shown. Dude loses confidence mad easy.

Jeter was a heck of a player though. Especially his first 7 years or so.

He was. When I said that it was no knock on Jeter. Basically it was just saying guys like ARod and Nomar Garciaparra we're putting up gaudy #'s at the time. Similar to Dennis Smith Jr. and Donovan Mitchell. I was hoping Frank would carve out a niche at mastering the little things and being a supreme winner. But dude just requires confidence to evolve into that. But he seems quite content to play defense and do nothing on offense. He doesn't seem to want to be great. He doesn't seem to want to be an all star. He seems just fine topping out as a 1-way role player.

[blueNorange]

My most complimentary statement on Frank was that he could be PG Jeter if everything broke right. But in order to be an intangibles king like that to live up to that label he would need to be a confident player. Which is something he hasn't shown. Dude loses confidence mad easy.

it's hard to gain confidence when you get benched if you miss a jumpshot, yet the trash bros can zone out everyone and just get rewarded with more touches.

same with mitch. 1 foul and he's benched.

you can't have young players play on egg shells.

[MaseInYourFace]

I believe in Timmy. It's funny how much we focus on him though. Team would still suck without him.