Somebody’s got to go.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I would give Vonleh a 3 yr deal on the mid-level exception, and Mudiay on a 2 yr on 1/2 the taxpayer exception.

re-jected and re-jected.

one can dream. and agreed. if you're cap strapped and want to add talent, in hindsight those are the kinds of deals you'd like to make.

but, the knicks did that for years and just packed salary atop salary, never to be free.

very easy to say once you've shown a player's value that you'll be cool bringing him back on a value deal he's played himself out of range for.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would give Vonleh a 3 yr deal on the mid-level exception, and Mudiay on a 2 yr on 1/2 the taxpayer exception.

I don't think we can use both of those exceptions. I think we will only have 1 exception to use once we go under the cap.

[K_ick_God]

We should probably create some Mitch v. Vonleh anger on this board.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I normally don't like spending on role players, but Vonleh I would lock up if I can. His versatility and all-around game is extremly valuable. Only 22 too. 4 years, $20mil if I could. Get him on a reasonable contract, and he can always be moved anyway.

We can still set ourselves up for a max in '21. Just wish we didn't stretch Noah.

[JXL]

I would give Vonleh a 3 yr deal on the mid-level exception, and Mudiay on a 2 yr on 1/2 the taxpayer exception.

I don't think we can use both of those exceptions. I think we will only have 1 exception to use once we go under the cap.

Which 1 would we have if we sign a max player with KP's max afterwards?

[K_ick_God]

I normally don't like spending on role players, but Vonleh I would lock up if I can. His versatility and all-around game is extremly valuable. Only 22 too. 4 years, $20mil if I could. Get him on a reasonable contract, and he can always be moved anyway.

We can still set ourselves up for a max in '21. Just wish we didn't stretch Noah.

I have an out of the box idea to make Noah the captain. He's often showing players where to be on the court defensively, he's got big guts. Sure he sort of looks like a backup because he's not a natural scoring talent, but who cares. He could be a major piece of a really good team, no matter whether he starts or not or is ever in the All Star conversation or not.

Captain Noah. Given that I live in a dreamworld anyway, he's my captain now.

Plus making him captain could be a way to beg him to stay for less money.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I would give Vonleh a 3 yr deal on the mid-level exception, and Mudiay on a 2 yr on 1/2 the taxpayer exception.

I don't think we can use both of those exceptions. I think we will only have 1 exception to use once we go under the cap.

Which 1 would we have if we sign a max player with KP's max afterwards?

I think we have the tax-payer exception which would be $5,711,000 for up to 3 years and can be split up.

The larger non-tax payer exception is $9,246,000 for up to 4 years, but I think if we use our cap space to sign players we can't use that exception.

I think thats how it works.

[dakomish23]

Hard to see Vonleh not getting a good offer if he's at this level in the summer. He's tough, smart, plays D, and is rounding out a pretty complete, if somewhat rough-edged, offensive attack.

What we needed was to have them all on options for next season, as Dot is.

He’s a bench big. I can’t even see him getting a 1 year MLE.

He’s been great, but last year ppl thought KOQ would get 10 per.

Bigs just are not going to get paid unless you’re a stud. Not after 2016.

Though I agree that Vonleh is unlikely to get the full non-tax MLE from anyone, if he keeps this up he should have more interest than KOQ because of his versatility to guard giant wings like Giannis & LeBron on the perimeter, as well as protect the rim as a small ball 5. Add his newfound 3ball and he’s an ideal 7th or 8th man for the modern NBA if he keeps this up.

I’m becoming more & more convinced he’ll get the room exception that KOQ did.

We’ll see. It’s a long season and we’ve been down this road before.

[dakomish23]

I would give Vonleh a 3 yr deal on the mid-level exception, and Mudiay on a 2 yr on 1/2 the taxpayer exception.

I don't think we can use both of those exceptions. I think we will only have 1 exception to use once we go under the cap.

The tax payer is an MLE, just an a reduced version as a punitive measure.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I normally don't like spending on role players, but Vonleh I would lock up if I can. His versatility and all-around game is extremly valuable. Only 22 too. 4 years, $20mil if I could. Get him on a reasonable contract, and he can always be moved anyway.

We can still set ourselves up for a max in '21. Just wish we didn't stretch Noah.

can we stay in the realm of reality?

all of these things you like about vonleh are apparent to the rest of the league. that's just not a number a rotation player and potential starter is going to sign for, let alone long-term.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I normally don't like spending on role players, but Vonleh I would lock up if I can. His versatility and all-around game is extremly valuable. Only 22 too. 4 years, $20mil if I could. Get him on a reasonable contract, and he can always be moved anyway.

We can still set ourselves up for a max in '21. Just wish we didn't stretch Noah.

I have an out of the box idea to make Noah the captain. He's often showing players where to be on the court defensively, he's got big guts. Sure he sort of looks like a backup because he's not a natural scoring talent, but who cares. He could be a major piece of a really good team, no matter whether he starts or not or is ever in the All Star conversation or not.

Captain Noah. Given that I live in a dreamworld anyway, he's my captain now.

Plus making him captain could be a way to beg him to stay for less money.

would you take a job for less money just because they call you "manager" or "supervisor?"

[Deeeez Knicks]

I normally don't like spending on role players, but Vonleh I would lock up if I can. His versatility and all-around game is extremly valuable. Only 22 too. 4 years, $20mil if I could. Get him on a reasonable contract, and he can always be moved anyway.

We can still set ourselves up for a max in '21. Just wish we didn't stretch Noah.

can we stay in the realm of reality?

all of these things you like about vonleh are apparent to the rest of the league. that's just not a number a rotation player and potential starter is going to sign for, let alone long-term.

How much do you think he will get?

[K_ick_God]

I normally don't like spending on role players, but Vonleh I would lock up if I can. His versatility and all-around game is extremly valuable. Only 22 too. 4 years, $20mil if I could. Get him on a reasonable contract, and he can always be moved anyway.

We can still set ourselves up for a max in '21. Just wish we didn't stretch Noah.

I have an out of the box idea to make Noah the captain. He's often showing players where to be on the court defensively, he's got big guts. Sure he sort of looks like a backup because he's not a natural scoring talent, but who cares. He could be a major piece of a really good team, no matter whether he starts or not or is ever in the All Star conversation or not.

Captain Noah. Given that I live in a dreamworld anyway, he's my captain now.

Plus making him captain could be a way to beg him to stay for less money.

would you take a job for less money just because they call you "manager" or "supervisor?"

Yes. Meaning No.

[br7knicks]

clearly dot over zo. we need 3 and d guys. not iso scorers. we shouldve learned.

waive ron baker or buy him out, then sign Trier and trade him as soon as its allowed. IF theres any value here.. just because he put up some 20 point games, doesnt mean he has value around the league.

Dot is a keeper

definitely dot over trier. i don't know if i'd trade him just yet, unless the knicks are getting a CLEAR upgrade and steal over it. like, if atlanta offers their first round pick, then i'll drive trier myself.

but i don't want to give up on trier. while his strength is ISOing, he does have some moments where he passes the ball, and he plays with a lot of desire and fire, which i think should be a part of the new culture/environment of the knicks.

so unless it's a CLEAR upgrade, i don't know if i'd trade him just yet.

Yeah i agree. I believe zo can fit into a team oriented system seamlessly if given the opportunity.

We really dont run any type of sets offensively its more freelance so i wont judge trier as of yet in that aspect.

That last part annoys me the most. This tank and rebuilding part should be about establishing what the future should look like. If no offense or defense is established, what's the point of going through this? Knicks need a culture change that includes some resemblance of bball knowledge.

[br7knicks]

If it were not for character issues, I would be ALL SORTS of about Timmy+Burke+Lee+Thomas for Wall. The problem is that he isn't being paid the 40M now so without a 17M EC to tie to him no way of making a salary neutral deal.

KP/Mitch
Zion
Durant/Knox
Dots/Frank
Wall/Trier
I think that juuuuuust fits no?

i don't think wall fits the time table, either. the only positive is that it unloads timmy, gets something for burke, allows lee to go to a different team (where i don't think he'd play, unless they move beal to the primary ball handler). losing lance would be, i feel, a negative, because i like his leadership and presence. just not his contract.

john wall is not the second star you need. he's not even the second star washington needs. he's about to have the worst contract in the NBA for an immature locker room cancer.

love his skill set. but you might as well max out kemba.

I'm definitely not in favor of Wall setting foot inside MSG in a Knicks uniform anytime soon

[cgf]

He’s a bench big. I can’t even see him getting a 1 year MLE.

He’s been great, but last year ppl thought KOQ would get 10 per.

Bigs just are not going to get paid unless you’re a stud. Not after 2016.

Though I agree that Vonleh is unlikely to get the full non-tax MLE from anyone, if he keeps this up he should have more interest than KOQ because of his versatility to guard giant wings like Giannis & LeBron on the perimeter, as well as protect the rim as a small ball 5. Add his newfound 3ball and he’s an ideal 7th or 8th man for the modern NBA if he keeps this up.

I’m becoming more & more convinced he’ll get the room exception that KOQ did.

We’ll see. It’s a long season and we’ve been down this road before.

True, which is why i added “if he keeps this up” so many times lol. I’m far from sold, but a quarter of the way in all i can say is so far, so good.

[HarthorneWingo]

Knicks Film School podcast on who should go.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-knicks-film-school-podcast/id1439034317?mt=2&i=1000424995147


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[K_ick_God]

Courtney Lee should not play for any reason but to have another team see that he’s healthy and to be traded. Otherwise he should be given 0.00 minutes.

[Garbagelo]

Knicks organizational strategy backfiring as usual LOL

They want free agents but they also want to keep the guys they develop

Never had a chance

[Jeff Van Gully]

I normally don't like spending on role players, but Vonleh I would lock up if I can. His versatility and all-around game is extremly valuable. Only 22 too. 4 years, $20mil if I could. Get him on a reasonable contract, and he can always be moved anyway.

We can still set ourselves up for a max in '21. Just wish we didn't stretch Noah.

can we stay in the realm of reality?

all of these things you like about vonleh are apparent to the rest of the league. that's just not a number a rotation player and potential starter is going to sign for, let alone long-term.

How much do you think he will get?

i don't know. but that sounds super low.

assuming he maintains this level of production, even reserves are looking at double-digit Ms in a $109m and $118m cap.