Who's Your Man if we Stay at #5?

[robillionaire]

none taken...i see 25-5-5 which is the production im going off of. I find it hard to player comparison any of these 18 year old kids because there is such little organize basketball game video of these guys. But in terms of coming in and producing I see some of that scoring mentality with the ability to playmake from the wing.

seeing some tmac and being tmac are two different things. All these guys are unique but coming in from an impact standpoint I see it.

I think Tracy McGrady was more of a fluid athlete. I can see Barrett providing Tracy’s production but not in the same way.

correct mcgrady was a much more fluid graceful athlete...never meant to make that correlation. Barrett is more of a bruiser. But it was a production comparison then anything.

KT has repeatedly talked about Barrett in such a way that would lead you to believe he has some personal vendetta against the guy. I could easily see him putting up that kind of production.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I think Tracy McGrady was more of a fluid athlete. I can see Barrett providing Tracy’s production but not in the same way.

correct mcgrady was a much more fluid graceful athlete...never meant to make that correlation. Barrett is more of a bruiser. But it was a production comparison then anything.

KT has repeatedly talked about Barrett in such a way that would lead you to believe he has some personal vendetta against the guy. I could easily see him putting up that kind of production.

? No I haven’t. I’ve been brutally honest with him, like I’ve been with every other player. Difference being, he was held on a pedestal as the next ATG before the season, so talking about his issues brings him down significantly. I still have him as a top 5 lock in tier 2 behind tier Zion.

[IllmaticHandler]

The fake draft thread....





A clunky Athlete being compared to one of the smoothest of all time...

[8516knicks]

What’s his position project to be in the pros? I feel like we need a PG or a PF we have enough swingmen.

He's a big 2 or a SF that is a playmaker. He's in attack mode like Harden but doesn't have the finesse or vision, kinda just bulldozes his way to the basket right now. He got some T-mac in his game.

He has no T-Mac in his game, what are you talking about?

I'm surprised, and not at the same time, that Culver and Hunter have 1 vote (both should have more, especially Culver), Nas has the second most, and Morant has the most (should have less). Also, Garland should be up there. I keep saying this in the College thread, but Garland is far and away the most talented PG that will be in the 2019 draft. Yes, he tore his meniscus, but he's expected to make a full recovery and is a two way, multi-talented PG. It's no surprise that actual NBA FO guys, and guys in the media, recognize that he's the top PG in the draft.

I'm legitimately curious how many of the people who voted actually watched 1 or more game of multiple players on that list, too.

But if we're talking PG - Garland averaged only 2.6 assists per game before being hurt.>?

[NBA Fan 1234]

He's a big 2 or a SF that is a playmaker. He's in attack mode like Harden but doesn't have the finesse or vision, kinda just bulldozes his way to the basket right now. He got some T-mac in his game.

He has no T-Mac in his game, what are you talking about?

I'm surprised, and not at the same time, that Culver and Hunter have 1 vote (both should have more, especially Culver), Nas has the second most, and Morant has the most (should have less). Also, Garland should be up there. I keep saying this in the College thread, but Garland is far and away the most talented PG that will be in the 2019 draft. Yes, he tore his meniscus, but he's expected to make a full recovery and is a two way, multi-talented PG. It's no surprise that actual NBA FO guys, and guys in the media, recognize that he's the top PG in the draft.

I'm legitimately curious how many of the people who voted actually watched 1 or more game of multiple players on that list, too.

But if we're talking PG - Garland averaged only 2.6 assists per game before being hurt.>?

Sharing playmaking duties. I watched every PNR pass he’s made from Synergy and between the turnovers and missed open jumpers, that would be closer to 4.5 / 5 if his teammates hadn’t screwed up. This is why I always tell people to watch games in addition to looking at stats - you need both to get the full picture.

He’s far from a pure point, but he manipulates defenses pretty well and is a lights out shooter - he’s a PG in the Lillard mold. On top of that, he’s a legitimately good defender.

[whocares1]

correct mcgrady was a much more fluid graceful athlete...never meant to make that correlation. Barrett is more of a bruiser. But it was a production comparison then anything.

KT has repeatedly talked about Barrett in such a way that would lead you to believe he has some personal vendetta against the guy. I could easily see him putting up that kind of production.

? No I haven’t. I’ve been brutally honest with him, like I’ve been with every other player. Difference being, he was held on a pedestal as the next ATG before the season, so talking about his issues brings him down significantly. I still have him as a top 5 lock in tier 2 behind tier Zion.

Whos in your tier 1?

[NBA Fan 1234]

KT has repeatedly talked about Barrett in such a way that would lead you to believe he has some personal vendetta against the guy. I could easily see him putting up that kind of production.

? No I haven’t. I’ve been brutally honest with him, like I’ve been with every other player. Difference being, he was held on a pedestal as the next ATG before the season, so talking about his issues brings him down significantly. I still have him as a top 5 lock in tier 2 behind tier Zion.

Whos in your tier 1?

Zion, hence the name “tier Zion” lol.

[robillionaire]

correct mcgrady was a much more fluid graceful athlete...never meant to make that correlation. Barrett is more of a bruiser. But it was a production comparison then anything.

KT has repeatedly talked about Barrett in such a way that would lead you to believe he has some personal vendetta against the guy. I could easily see him putting up that kind of production.

? No I haven’t. I’ve been brutally honest with him, like I’ve been with every other player. Difference being, he was held on a pedestal as the next ATG before the season, so talking about his issues brings him down significantly. I still have him as a top 5 lock in tier 2 behind tier Zion.

Sure, but that was before the season. Now Zion is the one held on the pedestal as the next ATG with everyone, Barrett included, universally seen as being in a tier below. You’ve said many times that you do this to Barrett because of “the hype”. Yet you never seem to go after Zion’s issues as passionately despite the hype (higher than Barrett’s ever was), or Cam, or anybody else in Tier 2 for that matter, and still continue to trash Barrett when anybody even says something optimistic about him. So now it comes across to the casual observer as if you have some genuine dislike for the guy. It’s not the stats that you’re throwing out there, stats are stats, but just the general negative tone of the analysis that seems to be overwhelmingly pessimistic for someone you still think should be a top 5 pick. Which, I suppose could just be your genuine analysis of him.

[magnumt]

Not me. I have it like this for us currently (Tourneys, Camps, and Workouts will affect this later on):

Zion
RJ

Ja
Cam
Nas

Romeo
Porter
Garland

For the Top 5 prospects tiers.

--Mags

[NBA Fan 1234]

KT has repeatedly talked about Barrett in such a way that would lead you to believe he has some personal vendetta against the guy. I could easily see him putting up that kind of production.

? No I haven’t. I’ve been brutally honest with him, like I’ve been with every other player. Difference being, he was held on a pedestal as the next ATG before the season, so talking about his issues brings him down significantly. I still have him as a top 5 lock in tier 2 behind tier Zion.

Sure, but that was before the season. Now Zion is the one held on the pedestal as the next ATG with everyone, Barrett included, universally seen as being in a tier below. You’ve said many times that you do this to Barrett because of “the hype”. Yet you never seem to go after Zion’s issues as passionately despite the hype (higher than Barrett’s ever was), or Cam, or anybody else in Tier 2 for that matter, and still continue to trash Barrett when anybody even says something optimistic about him. So now it comes across to the casual observer as if you have some genuine dislike for the guy. It’s not the stats that you’re throwing out there, stats are stats, but just the general negative tone of the analysis that seems to be overwhelmingly pessimistic for someone you still think should be a top 5 pick. Which, I suppose could just be your genuine analysis of him.

That’s very fair, thank you. I don’t have a dislike for him, I just think he’s not an ATG type. I can go into other players like Zion (shooting, doesn’t stay in stance/lateral issues, weight concerns, etc) and Cam (Batum-mindset, no mid game, can’t finish, afraid of contact, shooting form still isn’t consistent, etc), but nobody talks about them that much. Their weaknesses are well known, from what I see on here and elsewhere.

That said, maybe I am too negative. He can score, is strong and likes contact, good man defense, etc. Wait until I start releasing videos on him and the others like I have on the lesser known guys. I’m starting the big ones now with Rui coming out tomorrow, so I’ll get to RJ soon.

I do hear you though, 100% and don’t disagree with my perceived feelings towards him. I’ll keep that in mind going forward.

[8516knicks]

He has no T-Mac in his game, what are you talking about?

I'm surprised, and not at the same time, that Culver and Hunter have 1 vote (both should have more, especially Culver), Nas has the second most, and Morant has the most (should have less). Also, Garland should be up there. I keep saying this in the College thread, but Garland is far and away the most talented PG that will be in the 2019 draft. Yes, he tore his meniscus, but he's expected to make a full recovery and is a two way, multi-talented PG. It's no surprise that actual NBA FO guys, and guys in the media, recognize that he's the top PG in the draft.

I'm legitimately curious how many of the people who voted actually watched 1 or more game of multiple players on that list, too.

But if we're talking PG - Garland averaged only 2.6 assists per game before being hurt.>?

Sharing playmaking duties. I watched every PNR pass he’s made from Synergy and between the turnovers and missed open jumpers, that would be closer to 4.5 / 5 if his teammates hadn’t screwed up. This is why I always tell people to watch games in addition to looking at stats - you need both to get the full picture.

He’s far from a pure point, but he manipulates defenses pretty well and is a lights out shooter - he’s a PG in the Lillard mold. On top of that, he’s a legitimately good defender.

What do u think of Nembhard (Florida) - for a pg - 6 assists and shooting 45% from 3pts>"?

[NBA Fan 1234]

But if we're talking PG - Garland averaged only 2.6 assists per game before being hurt.>?

Sharing playmaking duties. I watched every PNR pass he’s made from Synergy and between the turnovers and missed open jumpers, that would be closer to 4.5 / 5 if his teammates hadn’t screwed up. This is why I always tell people to watch games in addition to looking at stats - you need both to get the full picture.

He’s far from a pure point, but he manipulates defenses pretty well and is a lights out shooter - he’s a PG in the Lillard mold. On top of that, he’s a legitimately good defender.

What do u think of Nembhard (Florida) - for a pg - 6 assists and shooting 45% from 3pts>"?

Haven’t watched Florida yet, so I just have thoughts based on his old tape (so nothing concrete / I’m willing to stake a claim in). I’ll try to watch his Synergy clips on train rides to/from work tomorrow or Thursday though after Keldon, who I’ve already started, and possibly Morant. I’ll probably get it done before Morant though because I’ve seen plenty of his, like Keldon but I want to watch his.

[magnumt]

Thoughts on my post above?

--Mags

[robillionaire]

? No I haven’t. I’ve been brutally honest with him, like I’ve been with every other player. Difference being, he was held on a pedestal as the next ATG before the season, so talking about his issues brings him down significantly. I still have him as a top 5 lock in tier 2 behind tier Zion.

Sure, but that was before the season. Now Zion is the one held on the pedestal as the next ATG with everyone, Barrett included, universally seen as being in a tier below. You’ve said many times that you do this to Barrett because of “the hype”. Yet you never seem to go after Zion’s issues as passionately despite the hype (higher than Barrett’s ever was), or Cam, or anybody else in Tier 2 for that matter, and still continue to trash Barrett when anybody even says something optimistic about him. So now it comes across to the casual observer as if you have some genuine dislike for the guy. It’s not the stats that you’re throwing out there, stats are stats, but just the general negative tone of the analysis that seems to be overwhelmingly pessimistic for someone you still think should be a top 5 pick. Which, I suppose could just be your genuine analysis of him.

That’s very fair, thank you. I don’t have a dislike for him, I just think he’s not an ATG type. I can go into other players like Zion (shooting, doesn’t stay in stance/lateral issues, weight concerns, etc) and Cam (Batum-mindset, no mid game, can’t finish, afraid of contact, shooting form still isn’t consistent, etc), but nobody talks about them that much. Their weaknesses are well known, from what I see on here and elsewhere.

That said, maybe I am too negative. He can score, is strong and likes contact, good man defense, etc. Wait until I start releasing videos on him and the others like I have on the lesser known guys. I’m starting the big ones now with Rui coming out tomorrow, so I’ll get to RJ soon.

I do hear you though, 100% and don’t disagree with my perceived feelings towards him. I’ll keep that in mind going forward.

Thanks, I always appreciate your analysis every year and look forward to watching the videos as well

[Garbagelo]

Garland over Morant

Bol Bol over everyone on the list

[HarthorneWingo]

If we anticipate this to be our last best chance at a high lottery pick, then I'd go with the BPA

[malik959]

If the Duke 3 are gone I would have a hard time between Ja and Little I think. I definitely need to watch more of them. Need to see if Ja has any strong opponents coming up, but from what I've seen he is legit. Little is definitely intriguing for his defensive ability and room to grow. That being said it would be hard to pass up a playmaker and from what I've seen idk if Little is that at the moment

The thing about Ja is he has no legit teams to compete against this year and if they did his team as a whole sucks. Auburn (7) will be their toughest opponent on Dec.22, and their only rank opponent. They have one loss to Alabama which was pretty close. This will be like grading D.Smith all over again, but I feel that Ja has the better over all game (Fox). If we get Ja than we could smack all the Smith Jock Riders upside their heads.

[cgf]

Voted Little, but since he’ll be gone before then Deandre Hunter would be my real answer.

[malik959]

Watch on YouTube

[RHODEY]

He has no T-Mac in his game, what are you talking about?

I'm surprised, and not at the same time, that Culver and Hunter have 1 vote (both should have more, especially Culver), Nas has the second most, and Morant has the most (should have less). Also, Garland should be up there. I keep saying this in the College thread, but Garland is far and away the most talented PG that will be in the 2019 draft. Yes, he tore his meniscus, but he's expected to make a full recovery and is a two way, multi-talented PG. It's no surprise that actual NBA FO guys, and guys in the media, recognize that he's the top PG in the draft.

I'm legitimately curious how many of the people who voted actually watched 1 or more game of multiple players on that list, too.

But if we're talking PG - Garland averaged only 2.6 assists per game before being hurt.>?

Sharing playmaking duties. I watched every PNR pass he’s made from Synergy and between the turnovers and missed open jumpers, that would be closer to 4.5 / 5 if his teammates hadn’t screwed up. This is why I always tell people to watch games in addition to looking at stats - you need both to get the full picture.

He’s far from a pure point, but he manipulates defenses pretty well and is a lights out shooter - he’s a PG in the Lillard mold. On top of that, he’s a legitimately good defender.

And just like that this draft is looking DEEeep. We should be able to get a stud no matter what.