2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 4)

[HarthorneWingo]

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Here’s a video of Tyrese as a Freshman playing defense against a really good Texas Tech team. Think about it Tyrese and Frank playing together for spurts defending the perimeter, defending against other teams guards with Mitch behind them anchoring the defense, RJ taking a breather to come back in and do some work.....



You all know you would all love to see that.

He and Frank in the backcourt would be a two-fisted glove.

[RHODEY]

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Here’s a video of Tyrese as a Freshman playing defense against a really good Texas Tech team. Think about it Tyrese and Frank playing together for spurts defending the perimeter, defending against other teams guards with Mitch behind them anchoring the defense, RJ taking a breather to come back in and do some work.....



You all know you would all love to see that.

Hailburton and ntilkina on defense would be nice to see but on offense not really. You have two players in your backcourt who prefer to run the offense through teammates as facilitators but don’t really have scoring on there mind it seems like an overlap. Hailburton would work best next to a combo guard so would ntilkina.

I think Halliburton' scoring is understated. Over 15 points a game.... that's not bad at all.

[HarthorneWingo]

hampton was the 5th highest recruiting prospect of of HS behind wiseman, cole, Isaiah stewart and anthony edwards, so while he's not kobe bryant he was regarded as one of the top talents coming out of hs. playing in the NBL actually hurt his draft stock because he didn't dominate in it like lamelo did. But going into the season he was definitely viewed as a top 3-5 pick

Since I've never even seen him play thanks for the info.

Do you still think he's a top 7 pick?

Not for the knicks because I think there will be a true PG available top 7 and as I strongly believe we need to draft a PG I have lamelo hayes and cole over him and I'm sure one or more of them will still be on the board. But I do think another team could justify taking him 7-10, just due to the fact he has as much upside as anybody in the draft. With that said it's hard to predict where he could actually fall. I saw on the 76ers board they were salivating over the idea of him potentially falling to 22, could end up being a great value for some team.

Not Haliburton?

[robillionaire]

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Here’s a video of Tyrese as a Freshman playing defense against a really good Texas Tech team. Think about it Tyrese and Frank playing together for spurts defending the perimeter, defending against other teams guards with Mitch behind them anchoring the defense, RJ taking a breather to come back in and do some work.....



You all know you would all love to see that.

Hailburton and ntilkina on defense would be nice to see but on offense not really. You have two players in your backcourt who prefer to run the offense through teammates as facilitators but don’t really have scoring on there mind it seems like an overlap. Hailburton would work best next to a combo guard so would ntilkina.

I think Halliburton' scoring is understated. Over 15 points a game.... that's not bad at all.

it's not great he played 36.7 mins a game that's 14.9 per 36. It is admittedly better than Frank who scored 10.8 per 36 but Frank was going up against NBA guys

[robillionaire]

Since I've never even seen him play thanks for the info.

Do you still think he's a top 7 pick?

Not for the knicks because I think there will be a true PG available top 7 and as I strongly believe we need to draft a PG I have lamelo hayes and cole over him and I'm sure one or more of them will still be on the board. But I do think another team could justify taking him 7-10, just due to the fact he has as much upside as anybody in the draft. With that said it's hard to predict where he could actually fall. I saw on the 76ers board they were salivating over the idea of him potentially falling to 22, could end up being a great value for some team.

Not Haliburton?

I already wrote my polemic on Haliburton in the last thread

I still had haliburton 5th on my list though. although I might even lean towards maxey there. I"m just not as high on him -for the knicks- as other ppl are.

[moocow007]

The Athletic has him 20th in their latest bigboard too

here it is in case anybody was wondering

Spoiler:

1. LaMelo Ball
2. Anthony Edwards
3. James Wiseman
4. Obi Toppin
5. Killian Hayes
6. Onyeka Okongwu
7. Deni Avdija
8. Cole Anthony
9. Tyrese Haliburton
10.Devin Vassell
11.Isaac Okoro
12.Kira Lewis Jr
13.Tyrese Maxey
14.Aaron Nesmith
15. Precious Achiuwa
16. Saddiq Bey
17.Tre Jones
18.Theo Maledon
19.Isaiah Stewart
20.RJ Hampton
21.Patrick Williams
22.Xavier Tillman
23.Daniel Oturu
24.Aleksej Pokuševski
25.Devon Dotson
26.Tyrell Terry
27.Jalen Smith
28.Grant Riller
29.Zeke Nnaji
30.Josh Green

31.Killian Tillie
32.Jahmi'us Ramsey
33.Payton Pritchard
34.Nico Mannion
35.Jaden McDaniels
36.Vernon Carey Jr
37.Malachi Flynn
38.Jared Butler
39.Elijah Hughes
40.Cassius Stanley
41.Cassius WInston
42.Paul Reed
43.Robert Woodard
44.Leandro Bolmaro
45.Jordan Nwora
46.Immanuel Quickley
47.Desmond Bane
48.Chris Smith
49.Ayo Dosunmu
50.Abdolaye Ndoye
51.Skylar Mays
52.Udoka Azubuike
53.Reggie Perry
54.Kristian Doolittle
55.Kaleb Wesson
56.Trendon Watford
57.Derrick Alston
58.Markus Howard
59.Corey Kispert
60.Myles Powell

If we go by this we could pull Nesmith, Jamhius Ramsey and Cassius Stanley at 6, 27 & 37. Sign CP (not giving up draft picks except 2nd rounders in future) and we'd have 1 (CP & Frank), 2 (Ramsey, Stanley), 3 (Nesmith; RJ); and 5 (Mitch) with next years big laden draft to snag a 4 or two. That looks potentially solid across the board.

The Knicks would be absolutely insane to take Nesmith 6. Can we stop with the over inflated emphasis on 3 point shooting?

[NYF13]

You know I think CP3 interests Knicks because he will be the right person to lit some fire under Frank and learn from him. I think the Knicks see Frank as the future PG and I could be totally out of line here but Perry May be forcing to keep Frank in the roster and Mills was ready to give him up.

[KnicksGadfly]

I've been saying it. RJ Hampton is going to be the steal of this draft. I like his upside more than Anthony and Haliburton.

He could be anywhere from Dante exum to Zach Lavine. His biggest strength right now is his speed and Creative finishing ability. He’s not elite at anything the Knicks need though he’s not elite at anything in general unless being fast is considered a skill. He’s not a playmaker or shooter either. This is another wait and see project to go along with the other wait and see projects the Knicks have.

Gamble pick that might or might not work.
But none the less he does have just as much potential As probably anyone else.

Reminds me too much of a Kevin Knox pick. Yea, Knox had star potential and we lost out on SGA, but even taking the safer bet on one of the Bridges brothers would have done these things:

1. Helped RJ, Mitch and a bunch of other people
2. Not need to spend money on Randle (Miles) or random shooters (Mikal)
3. Not need to hire babysitters to teach Kevin not to play Fortnite

The only thing worse than drafting a serviceable role player is to draft a "fake star." Someone who can only play like Kobe on offense but gives you Dion Waiters results. The Kobe mentality only works if you're good.

[moocow007]

If the Knicks get the 1st overall pick the choice should be between Edwards and Ball. You either go with the guy that generally believed to be the BPA and the best offensive talent (Edwards) or you go with the guy that is likely going to be able to make this team best the soonest as well as enough star potential (Ball).

Edwards indivdual offensive potential is by far the best in this draft, he can get to the rim (whenever he wants to if he wants to), he has a strong midrange game and pundits feel that the form on his 3 should make him enough of a triple threat star. He also has significant defensive potential and versatility. The concern is fit with Barrett (real), whether he can stop settling for 'easy' jumpers and put more of an effort to get to the basket which he can do easily (likely), and whether he's going to consistently defend and actually use his excellent physical tools in that regard (maybe).

Ball is the "magic man" when it comes to being an elite shot creator for his teammates and also has the potential to create for himself. He's a rare talent and his skills are best fit for what this team needs on the court. The concern is how much of an off court distraction he'll be and whether he (like Edwards) will want to put in the effort defensively to maximize his excellent defensive tool set.

[robillionaire]

I've been saying it. RJ Hampton is going to be the steal of this draft. I like his upside more than Anthony and Haliburton.

He could be anywhere from Dante exum to Zach Lavine. His biggest strength right now is his speed and Creative finishing ability. He’s not elite at anything the Knicks need though he’s not elite at anything in general unless being fast is considered a skill. He’s not a playmaker or shooter either. This is another wait and see project to go along with the other wait and see projects the Knicks have.

Gamble pick that might or might not work.
But none the less he does have just as much potential As probably anyone else.

Reminds me too much of a Kevin Knox pick. Yea, Knox had star potential and we lost out on SGA, but even taking the safer bet on one of the Bridges brothers would have done these things:

1. Helped RJ, Mitch and a bunch of other people
2. Not need to spend money on Randle (Miles) or random shooters (Mikal)
3. Not need to hire babysitters to teach Kevin not to play Fortnite

The only thing worse than drafting a serviceable role player is to draft a "fake star." Someone who can only play like Kobe on offense but gives you Dion Waiters results. The Kobe mentality only works if you're good.

well that's why they call it a gamble. obviously it might or not work out just iike with any other player but the potential for the home run is there

[Fat]

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Here’s a video of Tyrese as a Freshman playing defense against a really good Texas Tech team. Think about it Tyrese and Frank playing together for spurts defending the perimeter, defending against other teams guards with Mitch behind them anchoring the defense, RJ taking a breather to come back in and do some work.....



You all know you would all love to see that.

Hailburton and ntilkina on defense would be nice to see but on offense not really. You have two players in your backcourt who prefer to run the offense through teammates as facilitators but don’t really have scoring on there mind it seems like an overlap. Hailburton would work best next to a combo guard so would ntilkina.

I think Halliburton' scoring is understated. Over 15 points a game.... that's not bad at all.

His scoring ability is not impressive though. his three point shooting ability is and his pick and roll ability is. Outside of that I don’t see much versatility as a scorer I see a better shooting lonzo ball. If you play him next to Ntilkina your pretty much forcing him out of his element. I’d rather see him play next to a combo guard where he can just focus on being good at what he’s good at and Play him with Ntilkina here and there.

PG-Hailburton
SG-Scorer
SF-RJ
PF-Not Randle
C-Mitchell

Is a balanced lineup

[moocow007]

Hamptons mentality is more Dante Exum than Zack Lavine. LaVine elevates his game intensity when the going gets tough. Thats always been one of the positives of LaVines approach despite other shortcomings. Hampton, like Exum, tends to dissappear in similar challenges. Mentality matters...see Kevin Knox...see soon to be Jaden McDaniels. Folks do not factor that enough. The NBA is not a walk in the park. The difference that separates those that can succeed and can't often is what's in the left side of their chest.

[Richard4444]

here it is in case anybody was wondering

Spoiler:

If we go by this we could pull Nesmith, Jamhius Ramsey and Cassius Stanley at 6, 27 & 37. Sign CP (not giving up draft picks except 2nd rounders in future) and we'd have 1 (CP & Frank), 2 (Ramsey, Stanley), 3 (Nesmith; RJ); and 5 (Mitch) with next years big laden draft to snag a 4 or two. That looks potentially solid across the board.

The Knicks would be absolutely insane to take Nesmith 6. Can we stop with the over inflated emphasis on 3 point shooting?

I stop only when NBA stops...

[moocow007]

If we go by this we could pull Nesmith, Jamhius Ramsey and Cassius Stanley at 6, 27 & 37. Sign CP (not giving up draft picks except 2nd rounders in future) and we'd have 1 (CP & Frank), 2 (Ramsey, Stanley), 3 (Nesmith; RJ); and 5 (Mitch) with next years big laden draft to snag a 4 or two. That looks potentially solid across the board.

The Knicks would be absolutely insane to take Nesmith 6. Can we stop with the over inflated emphasis on 3 point shooting?

I stop only when NBA stops...

Drafting a 3 point shooting role player in the lottery when other better players are available? You honestly think the Knicks biggest issue is 3 point shooting?

[robillionaire]

the knicks are the worst 3 point shooting team in the NBA so yes it's a big issue and it definitely needs addressing. but nesmith was considered a 2nd round pick a couple months ago and got injured for the season with a foot injury and seems like he is getting wildly overrated based on nothing but the 14 game sample size of hot shooting as if that's confirmation he's going to shoot 50% from 3 in the NBA. there's over emphasis and there's using the 6th pick on nesmith. He'd be reasonable at 27

[HEZI]

the knicks are the worst 3 point shooting team in the NBA so yes it's a big issue and it definitely needs addressing. but nesmith was considered a 2nd round pick a couple months ago and got injured for the season with a foot injury and seems like he is getting wildly overrated based on nothing but the 14 game sample size of hot shooting as if that's confirmation he's going to shoot 50% from 3 in the NBA. there's over emphasis and there's using the 6th pick on nesmith. He'd be reasonable at 27

Ignoring our glaring need of 3 point shooting would be as foolish as what the last regime has been doing over the years. We absolutely need to address our biggest weakness as a team but Nesmith doesn't project to be more than a catch and shoot role player so you don't take him with the lotto pick. He doesn't have much ability to create separation on an elite level so for the role he would play he's not worth a pick that high. He does seem to be effective and smart player that knows how to run off screens and get to his spots but in isolation he looks very limited.

[HarthorneWingo]

Not for the knicks because I think there will be a true PG available top 7 and as I strongly believe we need to draft a PG I have lamelo hayes and cole over him and I'm sure one or more of them will still be on the board. But I do think another team could justify taking him 7-10, just due to the fact he has as much upside as anybody in the draft. With that said it's hard to predict where he could actually fall. I saw on the 76ers board they were salivating over the idea of him potentially falling to 22, could end up being a great value for some team.

Not Haliburton?

I already wrote my polemic on Haliburton in the last thread

I still had haliburton 5th on my list though. although I might even lean towards maxey there. I"m just not as high on him -for the knicks- as other ppl are.

Well then, go eat a hot pocket!

[HEZI]

Haliburton and Frank backcourt? Definitely not!

[Richard4444]

The Knicks would be absolutely insane to take Nesmith 6. Can we stop with the over inflated emphasis on 3 point shooting?

I stop only when NBA stops...

Drafting a 3 point shooting role player in the lottery when other better players are available? You honestly think the Knicks biggest issue is 3 point shooting?

I like 3 pt shooting. But I dont agree with drafting Nesmith at 6. We could trade up the 27th and pick him at 15-20.

[WargamesX]

To be fair my example was based on Frank coming off the bench. That's why I alluded to RJ not being in a game "RJ taking a breather to come back in and do some work". For short burst in the game, I think Haliburton/Frank could work together as the back court.

I also think RJ's best position is SG because of his strength and ability to make contact and finish makes him potentially elite in the role. Right now he would be wasted at SF long term where guys are mostly taller so he can't bully them. I also keep saying Frank is a Marcus Smart type player. A combo guard who can play with both starters, defend, and hopefully shoot an open 3pt shot.

Anyhow my roster idea for next year if they draft Haliburton

PG- Hailburton / Frank
SG- RJ /Frank
SF- Bullock
PF- Wood (I hope) / Knox
C- Robinson

Half the appeal of Haliburton to me is he works well with the personnel we already have. RJ is made to be the attacking/downhill SG who hopefully improves his 3 so it is solid, Mitch is also set up to be the rolling big. That means with Haliburton, Bulluck, and Wood, The 3pt shooting around both Mitch and RJ would open the lanes for them and force teams to try to stop them, or the 3 pts shot.

Don't get me wrong I see the need for another dedicated scorer on the starting roster. However, 2021 is both a very good wing Draft, and Free Agency. SF is an area of need for the knicks now, but if they plug the hole short term (or grab a SF with the second pick) we can just focus on that for 2021. Getting a high-level scorer now without having a PG is going to lead to what we always do iso heavy offense and sloppy execution of plays. Just another year of "my turn/your turn" offense.

To draft a PG who is a scorer now like Cole means we're going to do the CP3 deal (or a similar one) for another rental starter PG to teach the toughest job in two years to cole and if it doesn't work for whatever reason we don't have a PG...... again

Lets just get a PG who can actually play as a PG.