2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 6) -LOTTO 8/20 DRAFT 10/16!

[3toheadmelo]

I have big concerns about Lamelo's and Edwards effiency. Wiseman still remains as the safest pick for me

[Fat]

So he's a "we gon get you right Lamelo" candidate?

How many broke jumper PGs are we going to experiment with and believe that we are going to fix their shot? When has it ever happened here?

Not to mention that awful shot selection. Who is really going to coach him out of those bad habits? This is the same kid who was shooting halfcourt shots to show off as a 15 / 16 year old. We are kidding ourselves into thinking he's just going to change his identity and who he is. This is who he is

Lamelo comes with elite point guard skills even with the bad shooting though. If what you bring to the table improves my teams efficiency on offense how can I complain. Simply surround him with complimentary shooters like you’d do with a Ben Simmons

If we drafted De’Andre hunter instead of barret I think the narrative changes. It seems like fit is more of the problem than it being lamelos talent. And if that’s the case you might as well draft hailburton and let RJ be your primary handler but is he skilled enough to play that type of role?

Ben Simmons sticks to his strengths, he doesn't settle for shots he's not comfortable with. Yeah he needs a jumper but he still finds a way to cause havoc inside. You can surround Lamelo with all shooters, but at the end of the day his mindset is still going to be to shoot the most shots even if he isn't a good shooter. That is a problem. If he was more like his brother Lonzo, who stays within himself despite his flaws, it might be different. Lamelo is a gunner though and when you combine a gunner who likes to empty the clip but shoots blanks, it's not that effective. It's just for show.

I see somebody who can be over confident against his matchup and go for the highlight play I wouldn’t really call him a gunner

But let’s say he was. Can that not be fixed? Is he incapable of improving that flaw. It’s not a disease lol

[robillionaire]

LaMelo criticisms from the Edwards camp are coming from glass houses! The stats say that he is more of a ball hog. He had a historically high usage rate, higher than lamelo yet despite dominating the ball he only averaged 2.8 assists with 2.7 turnovers.

Lamelo took a total of 80 3pt shots which is a small sample size and was improving the percentage near the end after finding his bearings in an adult professional league and had shot 31.3% in the last half of the games he played in (30.9% in the last 7). His first 5 games are the anomaly and were an adjustment phase and he will easily shoot over 30% in the NBA. Edwards had 245 attempts to prove he can't shoot better than 29% against student athletes.

Edwards continued to shoot a massive amount of 3s instead of trying to use his athleticism which is indicative of low BBIQ. He is a one dimensional tunnel vision scorer who isn't efficient at scoring and not particularly good at anything else other than being athletic. Not as good of a shooter, passer, rebounder, slasher, or finisher as RJ Barrett, who plays his position already. He was the consensus #1 pick in December, fell from that due to poor performances. While LaMelo rose from the ashes of Lithuania like a Phoenix to take #1

Very bad player! Wouldn't draft anywhere before #2 when the Lamelo is off the board.

[god shammgod]

i like edwards & lamelo. it's that stone footed wiseman that's terrible. everyone with sense knows that.

[HEZI]

I do know LaMelo's weaknesses and saying he's a Julius Randle type negative player is crazy to me.

Randle is a career 1:1 assist to turnover ratio player who helps no one get his stats but himself.

LaMelo was 18 years old in a mens league with nearly a 3:1 assist to turnover ratio.

This idea that he just goes for the flashy pass is simply inaccurate.

Yes I am aware of his shooting right now. That is the biggest swing factor for me but I do think shooting is the one skillset that can ultimately be improved the most from a young prospect to later in the NBA career. So I am buying he wont be a sub 50% TS% player.

He's a terrible decision maker like Randle. Ball hog and selfish, like Randle. Terrible defense, like Randle. Thinks he's a star when he isnt one, like Randle. Can't spell LaMElo without the me. He's a self entitled diva. Do not want!

I think that isn't accurate but you seem to have your mind made up

You can't call someone a ball hog with a 36.12% assist percentage that would literally be 6th in the NBA of all qualified players.

What's that gotta do with him being selfish? Assist = unselfish ?

[HEZI]

His weakness's look like things a lot of young players struggle with and are things he can improve. Shot selection, consistency, percentages? Edwards and Cole have pretty much the same weakness's too. Where as LaMelo's strengths as an elite ball handler/passer with great vision are rare and things that are tough to develop late. Not many players see the floor the way he does and gives him the high ceiling especially at 6'8". Def worth the risk that he can improve on some of those flaws.

He's easily got the worst shot selection and shooting percentages in the entire draft. He's not in the same category as Edwards and Cole and neither of those two were efficient either but Lamelo is on another level when it comes to stupid shots and inefficiency. He's the absolute worst. Elite ball handling, not even. He has one effective Hesi that for some reason opposing players fall for even though he can't shoot. Anybody with any real sense would neve bite on that move because he can't shoot, just drop off him. Besides that his ball handling is solid but nothing special. Edwards has way better separation moves than him imo.

He's got a nice handle...cross over, in-and-out dribble, and deceptively quick first step. Can get his shot off real quick or make a read and deliver a bullet point pass real quick. He keeps defenses off balance with the way he plays at different speeds, stop on a dime, change directions, and then can explode by. Its tough to cover, where someone like Cole looks like he only plays at 1 speed. A lot of it is in the way LaMelo has the ball on a string and can make quick decisions to pass, shoot or change directions/speed.

I can see how playing in that weak league would make his ball handling stand out but on the NBA scale his handles are nothing special

[HEZI]

I think Anthony Edwards is the most talented player in the draft but I would call him more of a ball hog than Lamelo and if anything has similar if not more concerns about shot selection.

Edwards shot less and scored more than Lamelo. 17 shots for 17 points is terrible. He shot the most, scored the least, won the least amount of games.

[HEZI]

LaMelo criticisms from the Edwards camp are coming from glass houses! The stats say that he is more of a ball hog. He had a historically high usage rate, higher than lamelo yet despite dominating the ball he only averaged 2.8 assists with 2.7 turnovers.

Lamelo took a total of 80 3pt shots which is a small sample size and was improving the percentage near the end after finding his bearings in an adult professional league and had shot 31.3% in the last half of the games he played in (30.9% in the last 7). His first 5 games are the anomaly and were an adjustment phase and he will easily shoot over 30% in the NBA. Edwards had 245 attempts to prove he can't shoot better than 29% against student athletes.

Edwards continued to shoot a massive amount of 3s instead of trying to use his athleticism which is indicative of low BBIQ. He is a one dimensional tunnel vision scorer who isn't efficient at scoring and not particularly good at anything else other than being athletic. Not as good of a shooter, passer, rebounder, slasher, or finisher as RJ Barrett, who plays his position already. He was the consensus #1 pick in December, fell from that due to poor performances. While LaMelo rose from the ashes of Lithuania like a Phoenix to take #1

Very bad player! Wouldn't draft anywhere before #2 when the Lamelo is off the board.

17 shots for 17 points
35% FG
25% 3 point
45% TS
3 games won all season in one of the worst leagues internationally

[3toheadmelo]

i like edwards & lamelo. it's that stone footed wiseman that's terrible. everyone with sense knows that.

You live up to your name

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[aggo]

dont fall for this scam.

[HEZI]

Dude couldn't even get to the FT line consistently. Dudes like Trae and Morant lived at the Free Throw line going there over 8 times a game. Nope not Lamelo, he couldn't even get to the line 4 times a game. Broke jumper and he's weak going inside the paint. Terrible! But he shot 17 times a game? Yuck!

[Fat]

What do we want out of the player the Knicks choose to draft. Like What are the boxes that need to be checked?

Fact of the matter is nobody in this lottery will you find peace with in all the areas your looking for. Somethings gonna give with whoever you take whether that be their ability to create, shoot, defend, score, pass. etc etc

[moocow007]

And yet the Knicks still should be picking between Ball, Edwards and Wiseman if they end up with the 1st overall pick. Stop with the nonsense fantasies about the other guys. Yes, yes, they each have their warts but so does every single player in this draft and just about every single player in every draft.

[moocow007]

What do we want out of the player the Knicks choose to draft. Like What are the boxes that need to be checked?

Fact of the matter is nobody in this lottery will you find peace with in all the areas your looking for. Somethings gonna give with whoever you take whether that be their ability to create, shoot, defend, score, pass. etc etc

That is what is being missed.

And the last thing they need to come out of this draft with is a guy that ends up being able to produce like Frank Ntilikina or Dennis Smith Jr. And not it's not hating on either, it's speaking reality of what they need and don't need. They don't need a Justise Windslow.
They don't need someone that will end up just being run of the mill ok. They need someone that can positively and significantly impact the game in some manner without needing to put on rose colored glasses.

They need to end up with the best flawed player for the position they draft in.

[aggo]

we already know what happens when you play a pg for 30mpg that can't shoot.

[mpharris36]

we already know what happens when you play a pg for 30mpg that can't shoot.

are we comparing the talent level of Ball to Payton and Mudiay?

[newyorker4ever]

How many times can y'all debate the same **** over and over

[VirginiaKnickFan]

And yet the Knicks still should be picking between Ball, Edwards and Wiseman if they end up with the 1st overall pick. Stop with the nonsense fantasies about the other guys. Yes, yes, they each have their warts but so does every single player in this draft and just about every single player in every draft.

Given the Knicks horrendous bad luck in the lottery since Ewing, there's nothing to worry about as they'll end up outside the top tier players as usual, picking in the 6-8 lottery position.

[WajaBawl]

I'm with HEZI on Edwards being the superior player in this draft. If we come out of this draft with Anthony Edwards and somehow trade up to get Kira Lewis, we are in a good position going forward. Slide Barrett to the three and Knox to the four (his ideal position imo) and start the season with a new backcourt that can actually shoot the three ball and space the floor.

PG: Kira Lewis
SG: Anthony Edwards
SF: RJ Barrett
PF: Kevin Knox
C: Mitchell Robinson

That's not a bad lineup at all.

[WajaBawl]

I have big concerns about Lamelo's and Edwards effiency. Wiseman still remains as the safest pick for me

Big part of that was due to poor shot selection. His shooting form is beautiful to watch, and he's quick and strong enough to get to the line at will. Get him a coach that can set him straight and hold him accountable, and you have a truly special player.

I agree with you on Wiseman though, he looks like he's gonna be great. He's currently nr. 2 on my big board.