2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

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the **** is ricky g? Are people gonna keep making these trade suggestions till they actually guess right?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I dont think Mitch will get a huge contract. probably similar to Capela (5yr/90M/18per yr), which IMO is pretty reasonable

That's a dreadful contract, take into account that the salary cap is either going to decline or stay flat and that Mitch would be taking up 18-20% of it.

Capella was traded for pennies, everyone knew the Rockets wanted to move him and the return was awful because the value of that type of player has plummeted. The trend has been established, non-star centers should be well under $10 million, and with teams in the future potentially running more zone a player with his skillset is gonna get phased out of big contracts soon.

it's not a dreadful contract at all. Less than 20M per season for a player that impacts winning. That is what Mitch does: he plays good defense is a high efficiency offensive player

The Rockets traded Capela b/c he wasn't a fit w/ Westbrook and the way they wanted to play. They wanted to play 4, 5-out on the perimeter which they couldn't do w/ Capela and Westbrook being non-threats shooting

That is an awful contract, and what winning? We're talking about strictly potential, even then I don't doubt that he'll put up stats, but so what. Most rim runners who are decent can put together nice statlines and have nice advanced stats, then the playoffs roll around and they can't do anything. Look at the playoffs, look at how much rim runners like Mitch are paid, look at how the final 4 teams didn't have centers like Mitch making $18 million per. You reserve that kind of money for a star center, anything other than a star and you should just sign a vet.


I know why the Rockets traded Capella, that doesn't change the fact that the market for him wasn't that big. Smarter teams do not spend that much money on rim rolling centers anymore, the Rockets figured out that Capella despite his rebounding and defense doesn't really help you much in the playoffs. We should be ahead of the curve, not behind it, and paying $18 million per season for a player like Mitch is just a bad move, especially in a climate with a potentially declining / flat cap.

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way to cover every possible base. this is your guy.

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How DARE anyone doubt THE Ricky G?

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way to cover every possible base. this your guy.

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Ricky G

Damn some of y’all are seriously starved for rumors. I get it lol. But comeeeeeee on man
Ricky G.......

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if smart teams don't sign players like mitch, why does golden state want to move down in the draft for a year or 2 of him ? i guess they're being stupid again. if only they could get it together.

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way to cover every possible base. this your guy.

i actually admire the one that says "we're gonna find out how much the knicks love lamelo if they even love him at all". motherf*cker aren't you claiming to know at least something about this.

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That's a dreadful contract, take into account that the salary cap is either going to decline or stay flat and that Mitch would be taking up 18-20% of it.

Capella was traded for pennies, everyone knew the Rockets wanted to move him and the return was awful because the value of that type of player has plummeted. The trend has been established, non-star centers should be well under $10 million, and with teams in the future potentially running more zone a player with his skillset is gonna get phased out of big contracts soon.

it's not a dreadful contract at all. Less than 20M per season for a player that impacts winning. That is what Mitch does: he plays good defense is a high efficiency offensive player

The Rockets traded Capela b/c he wasn't a fit w/ Westbrook and the way they wanted to play. They wanted to play 4, 5-out on the perimeter which they couldn't do w/ Capela and Westbrook being non-threats shooting

That is an awful contract, and what winning? We're talking about strictly potential, even then I don't doubt that he'll put up stats, but so what. Most rim runners who are decent can put together nice statlines and have nice advanced stats, then the playoffs roll around and they can't do anything. Look at the playoffs, look at how much rim runners like Mitch are paid, look at how the final 4 teams didn't have centers like Mitch making $18 million per. You reserve that kind of money for a star center, anything other than a star and you should just sign a vet.


I know why the Rockets traded Capella, that doesn't change the fact that the market for him wasn't that big. Smarter teams do not spend that much money on rim rolling centers anymore, the Rockets figured out that Capella despite his rebounding and defense doesn't really help you much in the playoffs. We should be ahead of the curve, not behind it, and paying $18 million per season for a player like Mitch is just a bad move, especially in a climate with a potentially declining / flat cap.

Just b/c there wasn't a rim running C in the final 4 teams doesn't mean that they're invaluable. The Jazz are largely driven by Gobert's defense. Jazz are a damn good team, would have probably beaten the Nuggets had Bogdanovic been healthy

Maybe the Rockets would've had more success if they had kept CP3 and Capela? Westbrook was a weird fit from the beginning, and they definitely needed rebounding help b/c they got KILLED by the Lakers on the boards. You're pointing to the Rockets formula, but it didnt exactly work out for them

Mitch is a one of the few (and maybe only) positive impact players the Knicks had the last 2 seasons.

Are you a Wiseman supporter? because his shooting ability is a question mark just like Mitch's

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Lol so this is ricky g. Still have no idea who he is but Marci, Begley and Zach Lowe follow him so he must be somebody

Yeah nah lol

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if smart teams don't sign players like mitch, why does golden state want to move down in the draft for a year or 2 of him ? i guess they're being stupid again. if only they could get it together.

Smart teams do sign players like Mitch. They just sign players like him to very cheap contracts.

However, there are a few caveats.

1) Mitch is younger and has more potential. More importantly, he has switchability and the potential to hit 3s. That gives him a lot more value than a traditional rim protector. Brook Lopez is basically a stiff rim protector but he's getting paid for his 3. And switchability...we don't see a lot of that in this league. At worst, the Warriors get a competent rim protector that can play C and save Draymond wear and tear during the regular season. At most, the Warriors develop him into a stud.

2) Mitch is also young AND established. If you're the Warriors, you're looking to maximize your window with Steph and Klay and Dray. At the very least, you know that Mitch can play. The fact that Mitch can lead the league in field goal percentage playing with the likes of Randle and Elfrid...imagine if you had Steph's gravity with Mitch's hops? And then consider that they can get Mitch with someone like Vassell or take a swing at another player? That's Steph - Klay - Vassell - Dray - Mitch. Shooting up and down the lineup. Defense up and down the lineup. Guys who know their roles, etc.

From my end, I wouldn't trade the 8 with Mitch just to move up to 2. We talk about how we haven't put Randle in the right position to succeed, but I think we should be prioritizing putting Mitch in the right position to succeed first. If we're trading Mitch, I want something substantial. If I'm the Warriors, I'm considering hitting up the Pacers first and offering the 2 for Myles Turner straight up.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

it's not a dreadful contract at all. Less than 20M per season for a player that impacts winning. That is what Mitch does: he plays good defense is a high efficiency offensive player

The Rockets traded Capela b/c he wasn't a fit w/ Westbrook and the way they wanted to play. They wanted to play 4, 5-out on the perimeter which they couldn't do w/ Capela and Westbrook being non-threats shooting

That is an awful contract, and what winning? We're talking about strictly potential, even then I don't doubt that he'll put up stats, but so what. Most rim runners who are decent can put together nice statlines and have nice advanced stats, then the playoffs roll around and they can't do anything. Look at the playoffs, look at how much rim runners like Mitch are paid, look at how the final 4 teams didn't have centers like Mitch making $18 million per. You reserve that kind of money for a star center, anything other than a star and you should just sign a vet.


I know why the Rockets traded Capella, that doesn't change the fact that the market for him wasn't that big. Smarter teams do not spend that much money on rim rolling centers anymore, the Rockets figured out that Capella despite his rebounding and defense doesn't really help you much in the playoffs. We should be ahead of the curve, not behind it, and paying $18 million per season for a player like Mitch is just a bad move, especially in a climate with a potentially declining / flat cap.

Just b/c there wasn't a rim running C in the final 4 teams doesn't mean that they're invaluable. The Jazz are largely driven by Gobert's defense. Jazz are a damn good team, would have probably beaten the Nuggets had Bogdanovic been healthy

Maybe the Rockets would've had more success if they had kept CP3 and Capela? Westbrook was a weird fit from the beginning, and they definitely needed rebounding help b/c they got KILLED by the Lakers on the boards. You're pointing to the Rockets formula, but it didnt exactly work out for them

Mitch is a one of the few (and maybe only) positive impact players the Knicks had the last 2 seasons.

Are you a Wiseman supporter? because his shooting ability is a question mark just like Mitch's

Gobert has a max salary, he's due for a supermax as well, not making it to the final four is pretty much the point. You save that kind of money for centers that can create offense at an elite level, even Bam who is levels above Mitch is going to need a jumper to reach the next level. And because of Gobert's own lack of offense they had to play 4 perimeter players with him this year, they weren't even a top 10 defensive team as a result.


I don't really care if Mitch is an impact player on a bad team, rim runners shouldn't be getting $18 million per year. We have like a decade's worth of examples now, it's not exactly like we don't know how they're defended. I'm not pointing to the Rockets formula as a build to copy, I'm pointing out how they exposed Steven Adams, or how the Celtics made it to the ECF with their center making $5 million for the year, Bam is on a rookie deal, Dwight is on a vet deal etc etc.

I just can't understand how people don't see it, Wiseman is projected as being an offensive minded center, so yes I'd want him over Mitch. This is like talking about keeping an Ipod when the Iphone 4 was already out, where the league is going is pretty clear, and rim rolling centers are the running backs of the NBA.

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When can a risk transactions be made?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

if smart teams don't sign players like mitch, why does golden state want to move down in the draft for a year or 2 of him ? i guess they're being stupid again. if only they could get it together.

Who said they want him, Ricky G?


So if they don't trade for him, that means what?

[RHODEY]

if smart teams don't sign players like mitch, why does golden state want to move down in the draft for a year or 2 of him ? i guess they're being stupid again. if only they could get it together.

Smart teams do sign players like Mitch. They just sign players like him to very cheap contracts.

However, there are a few caveats.

1) Mitch is younger and has more potential. More importantly, he has switchability and the potential to hit 3s. That gives him a lot more value than a traditional rim protector. Brook Lopez is basically a stiff rim protector but he's getting paid for his 3. And switchability...we don't see a lot of that in this league. At worst, the Warriors get a competent rim protector that can play C and save Draymond wear and tear during the regular season. At most, the Warriors develop him into a stud.

2) Mitch is also young AND established. If you're the Warriors, you're looking to maximize your window with Steph and Klay and Dray. At the very least, you know that Mitch can play. The fact that Mitch can lead the league in field goal percentage playing with the likes of Randle and Elfrid...imagine if you had Steph's gravity with Mitch's hops? And then consider that they can get Mitch with someone like Vassell or take a swing at another player? That's Steph - Klay - Vassell - Dray - Mitch. Shooting up and down the lineup. Defense up and down the lineup. Guys who know their roles, etc.

From my end, I wouldn't trade the 8 with Mitch just to move up to 2. We talk about how we haven't put Randle in the right position to succeed, but I think we should be prioritizing putting Mitch in the right position to succeed first. If we're trading Mitch, I want something substantial. If I'm the Warriors, I'm considering hitting up the Pacers first and offering the 2 for Myles Turner straight up.

Miles inst even the best centerthat team, is that good enough for the 2?

[Capn'O]

THE Ricky G out here spitting knowledge and you're all just hating like he doesn't have Lavar's underwear or something. You're all gonna learn. All of you.

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if smart teams don't sign players like mitch, why does golden state want to move down in the draft for a year or 2 of him ? i guess they're being stupid again. if only they could get it together.

Who said they want him, Ricky G?


So if they don't trade for him, that means what?

It means the Knicks didn't want LaMelo. Did you not understand the Riddles of Ricky G?

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Ricky G has some Uncomfortable Truths that some of you just close your ears to. Also, he kind of looks like John Goodman playing Walter Sobchak.

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Ricky G has some Uncomfortable Truths that some of you just close your ears to.

it appears ricky g also reads bleacher report - from earlier today

The Best Trade Offer Every NBA Lottery Team Could Hear on Draft Night

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2911979-the-best-trade-offer-every-nba-lottery-team-could-hear-on-draft-night

Golden State Warriors receive: Mitchell Robinson and No. 8 pick

New York Knicks receive: No. 2 pick

While ESPN's Tim Bontemps reported "unanimous" thinking around the Association that the Warriors will try to trade this pick, the market isn't breaking in the Dubs' favor. If this was supposed to be their ticket to a Bradley Beal, Ben Simmons or Giannis Antetokounmpo, those exchanges aren't happening.

Golden State could set its sights on a lower tier—optimistically a Jrue Holiday type, but realistically maybe Aaron Gordon—though that might be asking for trouble. Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are all on the wrong side of 30. The Splash Brothers just had their seasons wiped out by injuries, and Green could be tumbling down a steep decline. An outright pursuit of instant relief might be misguided.

Instead, it arguably makes the most sense to chase young talent and simply move down the draft board. If Ball makes it past No. 1 and the Knicks are desperate to have him, this is how the Warriors scratch both itches.

Mitchell Robinson immediately turbo-charges Golden State's frontcourt athleticism, providing both back-line protection on defense and aerial finishing on offense. The Knicks were a mess at point guard this season, and Robinson still finished in the 98th percentile of pick-and-roll screeners. He might be cheat-code dominant if he can play off Curry and Thompson.

By trading down in the draft, the Warriors can worry less about ceiling and more about polish. If the eighth pick nets them Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell or Obi Toppin, they can comfortably expect that player to handle a regular role in next season's rotation.

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Ricky G has some Uncomfortable Truths that some of you just close your ears to. Also, he kind of looks like John Goodman playing Walter Sobchak.