OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[spree8]

I don’t know if you’re responding so aggressively in order to get the thread shut down, because any response to that video is basically appropriate considering the protagonist is violating all kinds of laws. You walk into a store with a mask policy and behave like that is indefensible. No store owner should have to put up with that.

As far as statistics are concerned, as of a few weeks ago the data for the U.S. and around the world was 99% of covid related hospitalizations were unvaccinated people. That’s where the 99% number comes from. You’re mistakenly conflating that with survival rates which is a whole other thing. Once you’re sick enough to be hospitalized the survival rate for anyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated, is not going to reach 99%.

Further, vaccinated people usually have less severe symptions and they DO have a higher rate of survival once they get ill, though the amount of vaccinated people getting ill from covid is still marginal statisically.

That’s math

What about people who’ve had the virus already? I’ve read reports about natural immunity and even seen virologists publicly say that people who’ve had the virus should absolutely not get the vaccine. However, I’ve seen studies show that people with natural immunity do even better with the vaccine.

Due to all the reported deaths from the vaccine (who knows the actual number), I think it’s too risky at this point, especially since having the virus already. I know plenty of people with the vaccine, and even some who’ve had the virus too, and they’re fine, but still, I dunno about running the risk… who knows what can happen long-term (even though they say if issues do occur, it’ll be soon after taking it).

"All the reported deaths from the vaccine"? Huh?

Please post links to the sources of that information.

You haven’t heard of anyone dying from taking any of the vaccines? Where you been? Google it.

[spree2kawhi]

I'm trying to save the easily influenced from your stupidity. Keep living in your bubbles in fear that humanity is ending. We will continue to sit here and endless laugh at all of you.

Not hard to recall you gloating like a jackal with all kinds of war dance histrionics the week before the election about how Trump was going to wipe the floor with Biden and how much you were going to enjoy rubbing it in our faces.

So, yeah, keep laughing about facts that you don’t want to be true. It didn’t make you correct then and it doesn’t now

But at least as a Trumper HE sure isn't easily influenced.

[3toheadmelo]

A whole lot of people seem to like what Busta gots to say, Ya'll.

Read on Twitter

He’s actually getting killed on Twitter. Nobody is taking him seriously, thankfully.


Remember to wear your masks and don’t be a idiot.

Come on Yo, you come back with 4 tweets?
Black people significantly lag behind all races on Covid vaccination rates.


https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

Why the disparity? If there is a segment of da US population that doesn't trust the US govt, it B the black population (and with good reason.) Some must remember the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (on black people.) CDC was behind that atrocity.

Keepin it Real

You literally said everyone was agreeing with him about not wearing masks but he was getting destroyed on Twitter. Vaccination rates have nothing to do with that and you’re simply deflecting.

But since you wanna go there, your graph clearly shows that the vaccination rates for blacks are simply going higher. Not getting lower.

These current patterns reflect growing shares of vaccinations going to Hispanic and Black people over time. Between March 1 and August 16, the share of vaccinations going to Hispanic people increased in all states reporting data for both periods and increased for Black people in most reporting states. In a few cases, these increases were large. For example, the share of vaccinations going to Black people increased from 26% to 43% in DC and from 25% to 38% in Mississippi.

[Clyde_Style]

Your hysteria is getting out of control buddy. Reel it in and step off your ledge. The only thing you need to fear is the delusion you have built in your own head.

This is what happens when fake news puts out statistics like if you are vaccinated you have a 99.999% chance of survival but those unvaccinated are 25% more likely to die. No one bothers to do that math.

I don’t know if you’re responding so aggressively in order to get the thread shut down, because any response to that video is basically appropriate considering the protagonist is violating all kinds of laws. You walk into a store with a mask policy and behave like that is indefensible. No store owner should have to put up with that.

As far as statistics are concerned, as of a few weeks ago the data for the U.S. and around the world was 99% of covid related hospitalizations were unvaccinated people. That’s where the 99% number comes from. You’re mistakenly conflating that with survival rates which is a whole other thing. Once you’re sick enough to be hospitalized the survival rate for anyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated, is not going to reach 99%.

Further, vaccinated people usually have less severe symptions and they DO have a higher rate of survival once they get ill, though the amount of vaccinated people getting ill from covid is still marginal statisically.

That’s math

What about people who’ve had the virus already? I’ve read reports about natural immunity and even seen virologists publicly say that people who’ve had the virus should absolutely not get the vaccine. However, I’ve seen studies show that people with natural immunity do even better with the vaccine.

Due to all the reported deaths from the vaccine (who knows the actual number), I think it’s too risky at this point, especially since having the virus already. I know plenty of people with the vaccine, and even some who’ve had the virus too, and they’re fine, but still, I dunno about running the risk… who knows what can happen long-term (even though they say if issues do occur, it’ll be soon after taking it).

The odds of serious complications in an otherwise healthy person taking the vaccine are infinitesimal. Promoting it as risky is fear mongering when your odds without the vaccine skyrocket comparitively

[Clyde_Style]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/25/health/covid-myocarditis-vaccine.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Health

Heart problems more common after getting covid than from the vaccine itself

More math

[spree8]

I don’t know if you’re responding so aggressively in order to get the thread shut down, because any response to that video is basically appropriate considering the protagonist is violating all kinds of laws. You walk into a store with a mask policy and behave like that is indefensible. No store owner should have to put up with that.

As far as statistics are concerned, as of a few weeks ago the data for the U.S. and around the world was 99% of covid related hospitalizations were unvaccinated people. That’s where the 99% number comes from. You’re mistakenly conflating that with survival rates which is a whole other thing. Once you’re sick enough to be hospitalized the survival rate for anyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated, is not going to reach 99%.

Further, vaccinated people usually have less severe symptions and they DO have a higher rate of survival once they get ill, though the amount of vaccinated people getting ill from covid is still marginal statisically.

That’s math

What about people who’ve had the virus already? I’ve read reports about natural immunity and even seen virologists publicly say that people who’ve had the virus should absolutely not get the vaccine. However, I’ve seen studies show that people with natural immunity do even better with the vaccine.

Due to all the reported deaths from the vaccine (who knows the actual number), I think it’s too risky at this point, especially since having the virus already. I know plenty of people with the vaccine, and even some who’ve had the virus too, and they’re fine, but still, I dunno about running the risk… who knows what can happen long-term (even though they say if issues do occur, it’ll be soon after taking it).

The odds of serious complications in an otherwise healthy person taking the vaccine are infinitesimal. Promoting it as risky is fear mongering when your odds without the vaccine skyrocket comparitively

It is risky lol. Just like not taking it is risky. And that wasn’t my question.


Quoted from the source you provided:



“They found that although myocarditis remained rare, it was more common in the vaccinated group than the unvaccinated one. There were an extra 2.7 cases of myocarditis for every 100,000 people in the vaccinated group, compared with the unvaccinated one, the researchers found.”


”But the risks were even higher among those who had contracted the virus. There were an extra 11 cases of the condition for every 100,000 people who had been infected with the coronavirus, compared with those who had not.”


The study provides critical context for understanding the risks and benefits of vaccination, said Dr. Brian Feingold, an expert on heart inflammation in children at the UPMC Children’s Hospital of Pittsburgh who said he fields calls from parents who are concerned about the myocarditis risk.

“And nobody’s blowing that off, but I think you just have to look at that in context,” he said. “Those risks related to Covid are higher than the risks related to the vaccine.”

[Clyde_Style]

What about people who’ve had the virus already? I’ve read reports about natural immunity and even seen virologists publicly say that people who’ve had the virus should absolutely not get the vaccine. However, I’ve seen studies show that people with natural immunity do even better with the vaccine.

Due to all the reported deaths from the vaccine (who knows the actual number), I think it’s too risky at this point, especially since having the virus already. I know plenty of people with the vaccine, and even some who’ve had the virus too, and they’re fine, but still, I dunno about running the risk… who knows what can happen long-term (even though they say if issues do occur, it’ll be soon after taking it).

The odds of serious complications in an otherwise healthy person taking the vaccine are infinitesimal. Promoting it as risky is fear mongering when your odds without the vaccine skyrocket comparitively

It is risky lol. Just like not taking it is risky. And that wasn’t my question.

No it is not unless you have pre-existing medical conditions for which you can medical guidance

Your understanding of risk is tantamount to someone saying it is risky to eat beef because you might get mad cow syndrome

Calling it risky is fear mongering

[spree8]

The odds of serious complications in an otherwise healthy person taking the vaccine are infinitesimal. Promoting it as risky is fear mongering when your odds without the vaccine skyrocket comparitively

It is risky lol. Just like not taking it is risky. And that wasn’t my question.

No it is not unless you have pre-existing medical conditions for which you can medical guidance

Your understanding of risk is tantamount to someone saying it is risky to eat beef because you might get mad cow syndrome

Calling it risky is fear mongering

No it isn’t. I just edited my post. Check it. Your link even said it’s risky lol.

And once again, my question was risky in regards to having natural immunity vs getting the vaccine… not being unvaccinated and never having contracted the virus. Big difference.

People need to stop acting like know it all’s. You know how many experts have admitted they don’t know it all? It’s ok to question things especially when it comes to your safety. Stop getting so offended by it.

[stuporman]

I can imagine Wingo out in the world in one of these one....

https://microclimate.com/

Watch on YouTube

[Clyde_Style]

It is risky lol. Just like not taking it is risky. And that wasn’t my question.

No it is not unless you have pre-existing medical conditions for which you can medical guidance

Your understanding of risk is tantamount to someone saying it is risky to eat beef because you might get mad cow syndrome

Calling it risky is fear mongering

No it isn’t. I just edited my post. Check it. Your link even said it’s risky lol.

And once again, my question was risky in regards to having natural immunity vs getting the vaccine… not being unvaccinated and never having contracted the virus. Big difference.

People need to stop acting like know it all’s. You know how many experts have admitted they don’t know it all? It’s ok to question things especially when it comes to your safety. Stop getting so offended by it.

AND I WAS RESPONDING TO YOU CASUALLY USING THE WORD RISKY WHETHER YOU SUBSEQUENTLY EDITED IT OR NOT. I’M NOT CLAIMING TO KNOW IT ALL, BUT YOUR USE OF LANGUAGE WAS POOR. RISK IN TERMS OF ACTUAL DATA DO NOT CORRELATE AS “RISKY”

[spree8]

No it is not unless you have pre-existing medical conditions for which you can medical guidance

Your understanding of risk is tantamount to someone saying it is risky to eat beef because you might get mad cow syndrome

Calling it risky is fear mongering

No it isn’t. I just edited my post. Check it. Your link even said it’s risky lol.

And once again, my question was risky in regards to having natural immunity vs getting the vaccine… not being unvaccinated and never having contracted the virus. Big difference.

People need to stop acting like know it all’s. You know how many experts have admitted they don’t know it all? It’s ok to question things especially when it comes to your safety. Stop getting so offended by it.

AND I WAS RESPONDING TO YOU CASUALLY USING THE WORD RISKY WHETHER YOU SUBSEQUENTLY EDITED IT OR NOT. I’M NOT CLAIMING TO KNOW IT ALL, BUT YOUR USE OF LANGUAGE WAS POOR. RISK IN TERMS OF ACTUAL DATA DO NOT CORRELATE AS “RISKY”

All caps?


I said it was a risky… it is a risk (even said “risk” numerous times in the literature you’ve provided), therefore, the act of taking it is risky. Get over yourself. “Fear mongering” is the real poor choice of language.

Not to mention, once again, the original question was natural immunity vs vaccine, not unvaccinated/no previous infection vs vaccine. So please, answer the question.

[BKlutch]

What about people who’ve had the virus already? I’ve read reports about natural immunity and even seen virologists publicly say that people who’ve had the virus should absolutely not get the vaccine. However, I’ve seen studies show that people with natural immunity do even better with the vaccine.

Due to all the reported deaths from the vaccine (who knows the actual number), I think it’s too risky at this point, especially since having the virus already. I know plenty of people with the vaccine, and even some who’ve had the virus too, and they’re fine, but still, I dunno about running the risk… who knows what can happen long-term (even though they say if issues do occur, it’ll be soon after taking it).

"All the reported deaths from the vaccine"? Huh?

Please post links to the sources of that information.

You haven’t heard of anyone dying from taking any of the vaccines? Where you been? Google it.

I did Google it. That's a very foolish post, Spree.

United States COVID: 38,546,715 Cases and 645,068 Deaths
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The above numbers don't show how many will be chronically ill from long term side effects or those who are permanently disabled from the virus.

United States deaths from vaccine: possibly as many as 6,968.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 363 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 23, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,968 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.

[spree8]

"All the reported deaths from the vaccine"? Huh?

Please post links to the sources of that information.

You haven’t heard of anyone dying from taking any of the vaccines? Where you been? Google it.

I did Google it. That's a very foolish post, Spree.

United States COVID: 38,546,715 Cases and 645,068 Deaths
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The above numbers don't show how many will be chronically ill from long term side effects or those who are permanently disabled from the virus.

United States deaths from vaccine: possibly as many as 6,968.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 363 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 23, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,968 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.

Foolish? Gtfo here. Thousands have died from the vaccine and it’s not a risk? Who’s posting foolish stuff now? And once again… natural immunity vs vaccine. If you’re gunna attack my post, please get it right. Wake up.

[Kampuchea]

There is risk in every action or lack of action that a person takes or does not take. With your wordplay, you can therefore claim that every single thing a person does or does not do is "risky" however, that is being disingenuous. Risky is commonly used to describe something that is hazardous, and the vaccine is simply not hazardous based on the actual results.

Just like getting out of bed places me at risk of falling and dying at my bedside, getting the vaccine comes with a minuscule risk. Any sane person would not claim either action is "risky."

[spree8]

There is risk in every action or lack of action that a person takes or does not take. With your wordplay, you can therefore claim that every single thing a person does or does not do is "risky" however, that is being disingenuous. Risky is commonly used to describe something that is hazardous, and the vaccine is simply not hazardous based on the actual results.

Just like getting out of bed places me at risk of falling and dying at my bedside, getting the vaccine comes with a minuscule risk. Any sane person would not claim either action is "risky."

Na man, when thousands of people have died as a direct result of taking something, that’s not comparable to falling down and dying from getting out of bed. Talk about being disingenuous


People getting mad for questioning something and not falling in line is suspect as hell. I’m not a sheep. I’m gunna question shyt before putting it in my body. And once again… I’m talking about having natural immunity vs taking the vaccine. Funny how nobody has commented on that part directly.

Because my actual question was what’s the risk of inaction of someone with natural immunity vs the risk of action (taking the vaccine). People scared to answer or try to answer this?

[BKlutch]

You haven’t heard of anyone dying from taking any of the vaccines? Where you been? Google it.

I did Google it. That's a very foolish post, Spree.

United States COVID: 38,546,715 Cases and 645,068 Deaths
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The above numbers don't show how many will be chronically ill from long term side effects or those who are permanently disabled from the virus.

United States deaths from vaccine: possibly as many as 6,968.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 363 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 23, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,968 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.

Foolish? Gtfo here. Thousands have died from the vaccine and it’s not a risk? Who’s posting foolish stuff now? And once again… natural immunity vs vaccine. If you’re gunna attack my post, please get it right. Wake up.

Please show me valid expert opinion showing natural immunity prevented those over 600,000 deaths.

What you write is increasingly looking uneducated and more like an attempt to convince others of something that just isn't true.

[HarthorneWingo]

You haven’t heard of anyone dying from taking any of the vaccines? Where you been? Google it.

I did Google it. That's a very foolish post, Spree.

United States COVID: 38,546,715 Cases and 645,068 Deaths
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The above numbers don't show how many will be chronically ill from long term side effects or those who are permanently disabled from the virus.

United States deaths from vaccine: possibly as many as 6,968.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 363 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 23, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,968 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.

Foolish? Gtfo here. Thousands have died from the vaccine and it’s not a risk? Who’s posting foolish stuff now? And once again… natural immunity vs vaccine. If you’re gunna attack my post, please get it right. Wake up.

You have no legitimate scientific support for the nonsense your claiming. If you did, you’d have posted it. You know how things work here, Spee.

Either post a scientific study published in an authoritative text or STFU. Because short of that, you’re posting misinformation. This shyt isn’t a matter of personal opinion.

[spree8]

I did Google it. That's a very foolish post, Spree.

United States COVID: 38,546,715 Cases and 645,068 Deaths
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The above numbers don't show how many will be chronically ill from long term side effects or those who are permanently disabled from the virus.

United States deaths from vaccine: possibly as many as 6,968.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Foolish? Gtfo here. Thousands have died from the vaccine and it’s not a risk? Who’s posting foolish stuff now? And once again… natural immunity vs vaccine. If you’re gunna attack my post, please get it right. Wake up.

You have no legitimate scientific support for the nonsense your claiming. If you did, you’d have posted it. You know how things work here, Spee.

Either post a scientific study published in an authoritative text or STFU. Because short of that, you’re posting misinformation. This shyt isn’t a matter of personal opinion.

Yo y’all are crazy AF lol. I asked a mother fuq’n question. BK even posted the estimated number of people who’ve died from the vaccine. Clyde posted an article that said it was in fact a risk What you all are doing is borderline insane. Attacking someone to the death for simply asking if it’s worth risking taking the vaccine when they have natural immunity. I mean what…the…fuq. Listen to yourselves

[spree8]

I did Google it. That's a very foolish post, Spree.

United States COVID: 38,546,715 Cases and 645,068 Deaths
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The above numbers don't show how many will be chronically ill from long term side effects or those who are permanently disabled from the virus.

United States deaths from vaccine: possibly as many as 6,968.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Foolish? Gtfo here. Thousands have died from the vaccine and it’s not a risk? Who’s posting foolish stuff now? And once again… natural immunity vs vaccine. If you’re gunna attack my post, please get it right. Wake up.

Please show me valid expert opinion showing natural immunity prevented those over 600,000 deaths.

What you write is increasingly looking uneducated and more like an attempt to convince others of something that just isn't true.

I honestly don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

[spree8]

What about people who’ve had the virus already? I’ve read reports about natural immunity and even seen virologists publicly say that people who’ve had the virus should absolutely not get the vaccine. However, I’ve seen studies show that people with natural immunity do even better with the vaccine.

Due to all the reported deaths from the vaccine (who knows the actual number), I think it’s too risky at this point, especially since having the virus already. I know plenty of people with the vaccine, and even some who’ve had the virus too, and they’re fine, but still, I dunno about running the risk… who knows what can happen long-term (even though they say if issues do occur, it’ll be soon after taking it).

How on earth is this fear mongering or spreading misinformation? Asking questions isn’t allowed. Gotta be a sheep and fall in line. Fuq’n psychotic people here man, damn lol.