Is Juluis Randle a fraud?

[Capn'O]

Berman hints there may be chemistry issues

When Randle talked about the starters lacking chemistry, he might have been referring specifically to his alliance with Walker. When Randle weaved his bust-out 2020-21 season, he was the point forward, often bringing the ball upcourt. Both Walker and Randle like having the ball in their hands. One NBA scout senses Randle “pouts’’ when he doesn’t possess it enough.

It was notable that when Walker went off in the first half Friday, Randle didn’t have a point until 2:30 to go before intermission. The best scenario would be for both of them to click together. Instead, Randle is relapsing into iso-ball and committed five turnovers against the Hornets

One of the hallmarks of the 2020-21 team, which posted a 41-31 record, was its camaraderie. There were live wires on that Knicks bench. Unintentionally, Thibodeau may have created a division with his recent singling out of the starters in a very negative light.

When the bench brigade began a fourth-quarter comeback in Charlotte, the only players on the bench cheering were rookies Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes and Wayne Selden. The starters stayed put on the pine. Not good.

Sounds like Berman has been scouring through our forum and reading my posts.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/13/knicks-getting-right-includes-fixing-walker-randle-dynamic/

The takeaway is that Randle is not being a good leader and has set a toxic tone that doesn’t foster camaraderie amongst the team. Bears watching going forward.

That take is spot on to me. JR is guarding his turf. We need them both cooking to have any chance. I'd like to see a players only meeting happen. They're not playing in concert.

[DOT]

Berman hints there may be chemistry issues

When Randle talked about the starters lacking chemistry, he might have been referring specifically to his alliance with Walker. When Randle weaved his bust-out 2020-21 season, he was the point forward, often bringing the ball upcourt. Both Walker and Randle like having the ball in their hands. One NBA scout senses Randle “pouts’’ when he doesn’t possess it enough.

It was notable that when Walker went off in the first half Friday, Randle didn’t have a point until 2:30 to go before intermission. The best scenario would be for both of them to click together. Instead, Randle is relapsing into iso-ball and committed five turnovers against the Hornets

One of the hallmarks of the 2020-21 team, which posted a 41-31 record, was its camaraderie. There were live wires on that Knicks bench. Unintentionally, Thibodeau may have created a division with his recent singling out of the starters in a very negative light.

When the bench brigade began a fourth-quarter comeback in Charlotte, the only players on the bench cheering were rookies Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes and Wayne Selden. The starters stayed put on the pine. Not good.

Sounds like Berman has been scouring through our forum and reading my posts.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/13/knicks-getting-right-includes-fixing-walker-randle-dynamic/

The takeaway is that Randle is not being a good leader and has set a toxic tone that doesn’t foster camaraderie amongst the team. Bears watching going forward.

Well, to be fair, nobody's ever had to question whether Berman is a fraud

Cause he is

And he definitely reads this board so...

[NYKat]

Berman hints there may be chemistry issues

When Randle talked about the starters lacking chemistry, he might have been referring specifically to his alliance with Walker. When Randle weaved his bust-out 2020-21 season, he was the point forward, often bringing the ball upcourt. Both Walker and Randle like having the ball in their hands. One NBA scout senses Randle “pouts’’ when he doesn’t possess it enough.

It was notable that when Walker went off in the first half Friday, Randle didn’t have a point until 2:30 to go before intermission. The best scenario would be for both of them to click together. Instead, Randle is relapsing into iso-ball and committed five turnovers against the Hornets

One of the hallmarks of the 2020-21 team, which posted a 41-31 record, was its camaraderie. There were live wires on that Knicks bench. Unintentionally, Thibodeau may have created a division with his recent singling out of the starters in a very negative light.

When the bench brigade began a fourth-quarter comeback in Charlotte, the only players on the bench cheering were rookies Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes and Wayne Selden. The starters stayed put on the pine. Not good.

Sounds like Berman has been scouring through our forum and reading my posts.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/13/knicks-getting-right-includes-fixing-walker-randle-dynamic/

The takeaway is that Randle is not being a good leader and has set a toxic tone that doesn’t foster camaraderie amongst the team. Bears watching going forward.

Well, to be fair, nobody's ever had to question whether Berman is a fraud

Cause he is

And he definitely reads this board so...

Berman is constantly on the look out for the smoke that stems from the fire…

But he’s barking up the right tree, there’s definitely some deeper issues with that unit, because they are regressing from the ball sharing that they began the season with…

We got time to figure it out, but the sh*t needs to be addressed by the coaching staff or with a players only meeting or something, cause ignoring it will it only make it worse.

[3toheadmelo]

Berman hints there may be chemistry issues

When Randle talked about the starters lacking chemistry, he might have been referring specifically to his alliance with Walker. When Randle weaved his bust-out 2020-21 season, he was the point forward, often bringing the ball upcourt. Both Walker and Randle like having the ball in their hands. One NBA scout senses Randle “pouts’’ when he doesn’t possess it enough.

It was notable that when Walker went off in the first half Friday, Randle didn’t have a point until 2:30 to go before intermission. The best scenario would be for both of them to click together. Instead, Randle is relapsing into iso-ball and committed five turnovers against the Hornets

One of the hallmarks of the 2020-21 team, which posted a 41-31 record, was its camaraderie. There were live wires on that Knicks bench. Unintentionally, Thibodeau may have created a division with his recent singling out of the starters in a very negative light.

When the bench brigade began a fourth-quarter comeback in Charlotte, the only players on the bench cheering were rookies Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes and Wayne Selden. The starters stayed put on the pine. Not good.

Sounds like Berman has been scouring through our forum and reading my posts.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/13/knicks-getting-right-includes-fixing-walker-randle-dynamic/

The takeaway is that Randle is not being a good leader and has set a toxic tone that doesn’t foster camaraderie amongst the team. Bears watching going forward.

Well, to be fair, nobody's ever had to question whether Berman is a fraud

Cause he is

And he definitely reads this board so...

i remember vividly someone made a thread with a poll asking which players should the knicks go after and then berman cooked up an article saying the knicks were interested in those very same players in the poll. i was like wow

[Iron Mantis]

There are so many aspects of Julius's game that I simply don't like.

- He plays slow.
- He likes to hold the ball.
- He's very selective about playing with effort, and he's extremely (imo overly) demonstrative when he does bother to make hustle plays.
- He's inefficient.
- He forces things.
- He always seems to gravitate towards the ball.
- His game isn't fun to watch.
- He's not mentally strong, so he folds under pressure and lets opponents get under his skin.
- His body language is pretty terrible.

All of the signs were there last year too, so it's not about turning on Randle.

And 1'd you after reading the 2nd point.

Automatically knew the rest of those points would be money.

[nedleeds]

There are so many aspects of Julius's game that I simply don't like.

- He plays slow.
- He likes to hold the ball.
- He's very selective about playing with effort, and he's extremely (imo overly) demonstrative when he does bother to make hustle plays.
- He's inefficient.
- He forces things.
- He always seems to gravitate towards the ball.
- His game isn't fun to watch.
- He's not mentally strong, so he folds under pressure and lets opponents get under his skin.
- His body language is pretty terrible.

All of the signs were there last year too, so it's not about turning on Randle.

And 1'd you after reading the 2nd point.

Automatically knew the rest of those points would be money.

Swear we had a guy like this on the team a few years back. Maybe I'm just getting senile.

[Spree2Houston]

Berman hints there may be chemistry issues

When Randle talked about the starters lacking chemistry, he might have been referring specifically to his alliance with Walker. When Randle weaved his bust-out 2020-21 season, he was the point forward, often bringing the ball upcourt. Both Walker and Randle like having the ball in their hands. One NBA scout senses Randle “pouts’’ when he doesn’t possess it enough.

It was notable that when Walker went off in the first half Friday, Randle didn’t have a point until 2:30 to go before intermission. The best scenario would be for both of them to click together. Instead, Randle is relapsing into iso-ball and committed five turnovers against the Hornets

One of the hallmarks of the 2020-21 team, which posted a 41-31 record, was its camaraderie. There were live wires on that Knicks bench. Unintentionally, Thibodeau may have created a division with his recent singling out of the starters in a very negative light.

When the bench brigade began a fourth-quarter comeback in Charlotte, the only players on the bench cheering were rookies Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes and Wayne Selden. The starters stayed put on the pine. Not good.

Sounds like Berman has been scouring through our forum and reading my posts.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/13/knicks-getting-right-includes-fixing-walker-randle-dynamic/

The takeaway is that Randle is not being a good leader and has set a toxic tone that doesn’t foster camaraderie amongst the team. Bears watching going forward.

Sounds like a insecure man with a fragile ego

[BBALLER4FR]

My problem with Randle wasn't whether or not he's talented, it's that his game is so ball dominant and when he's off the ball he's actively trying to get it back, he's never cutting off ball, he's rarely setting screens for anyone other than the ball handler etc. He will gravitate towards whoever has the ball and try to set a screen even if they don't call for it, because he wants it back on the catch or on a repost, and when he does that he often brings his defender with him to kill whatever his teammate was thinking of doing. He doesn't pass to keep the offense moving, he passes with the sole purpose of trying to get an assist, it's why he runs so many DHO with Evan (Previously Bullock), and why so many of our shots come late in the clock (5th most frequent in shots coming 4-7 seconds on clock).

You cannot have a great functioning offense with Randle playing the way he plays and other players who need the ball, this year the starting 5 has a 104.9 offensive rating, last year with Payton/Bullock in the starting 5 we had a 109 ORTG, because the offense is so catered to Randle that it goes as he goes, and he's having a down year compared to last year. As bad as Kemba and Fournier are on defense, they are without question better offensive players than Payton and Bullock, yet our offense is even worse with them on the floor because Randle needs the ball. You could swap Randle with Obi in the 2nd unit and their offense would come grinding to a halt because you wouldn't have the movement that Obi brings, no cutting, no passing and the ball would stick to one person. That is just the fundamental problem of having such a ball dominant player who isn't a top 20 talent, you give the type of touches that Randle gets to a superstar, not to him. But, we let that genie out of the bottle and it is what it is at this point.

Theory: Offense worked better last year BECAUSE of the offensive limitations of Elf/Bullocks/RJ. Because it facilitated Randle being Randle, where he was most happy and comfortable.

He's not liking the new offense where there is an expectation he might have to do other things than dominate the play.

I said this least year. And Thibs loved it because in playing these guys 1.) he sent the message for Randle to play ISO and 2.) in doing so he was responsible for Randle's All-Star/MIP/2nd team season. The playoffs exposed him because Thibs inserted a capable player into the starting lineup. Rose over Elfrid was kryponite to Randle. It's amplified now that they've given him shooters and a known playmaker. And this is clearly This is probably why Rose prefers the 2nd unit - to steer clear of the havoc Randle/Thibs can wreak on players. RJ has stunk lately. Fournier has stunk. Kemba has stunk. I HATE all of them for that. But at some point you have to look at that collection of bad play, at the same time, and ask yourself:

Are they all mysteriously bad at the same time forcing Randle to play the only way he knows...

or

Is Randle playing the only way he knows affecting the effectiveness of his on court unit at the same time?

So far the evidence has been heavily tilted one direction.

[Hes_On_Fire]

He is fool’s gold. Best way to sum it up. It’s imperative that we find a sucker to dump him on.

It’s never happening.

The Kentucky connection and Thibodeau obsessed with Julius will never allow that to happen unless both Leon and Thibodeau get fired.

Watching Evan Mobley clearly be a better player than Julius in his rookie season is so depressing. It just hammers home the fact that we have never yanked properly or developed properly. 20 years of mostly losing and some mediocrity mixed in here and there and all we have to show for it is Carmelo Anthony, broken down Amare Stoudemire and Julius Randle.

[Rasho Brezec]

Randle's ideal role is 6th man. Comes off the bench, has the ball in his hands, goes to work against the lesser lineups and builds confidence. But his ego won't allow him that now that they've had him thinking he's the guy.

[Chanel Bomber]

There are so many aspects of Julius's game that I simply don't like.

- He plays slow.
- He likes to hold the ball.
- He's very selective about playing with effort, and he's extremely (imo overly) demonstrative when he does bother to make hustle plays.
- He's inefficient.
- He forces things.
- He always seems to gravitate towards the ball.
- His game isn't fun to watch.
- He's not mentally strong, so he folds under pressure and lets opponents get under his skin.
- His body language is pretty terrible.

All of the signs were there last year too, so it's not about turning on Randle.

And 1'd you after reading the 2nd point.

Automatically knew the rest of those points would be money.

[TexasMassacre]

Julius Randle needs to get packaged in a trade.

I can't stand watching this guy play basketball.

[Dunk93]

Most improved player to most unwatchable player.

[Nazrmohamed]

Berman hints there may be chemistry issues

When Randle talked about the starters lacking chemistry, he might have been referring specifically to his alliance with Walker. When Randle weaved his bust-out 2020-21 season, he was the point forward, often bringing the ball upcourt. Both Walker and Randle like having the ball in their hands. One NBA scout senses Randle “pouts’’ when he doesn’t possess it enough.

It was notable that when Walker went off in the first half Friday, Randle didn’t have a point until 2:30 to go before intermission. The best scenario would be for both of them to click together. Instead, Randle is relapsing into iso-ball and committed five turnovers against the Hornets

One of the hallmarks of the 2020-21 team, which posted a 41-31 record, was its camaraderie. There were live wires on that Knicks bench. Unintentionally, Thibodeau may have created a division with his recent singling out of the starters in a very negative light.

When the bench brigade began a fourth-quarter comeback in Charlotte, the only players on the bench cheering were rookies Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes and Wayne Selden. The starters stayed put on the pine. Not good.

Sounds like Berman has been scouring through our forum and reading my posts.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/13/knicks-getting-right-includes-fixing-walker-randle-dynamic/

The takeaway is that Randle is not being a good leader and has set a toxic tone that doesn’t foster camaraderie amongst the team. Bears watching going forward.

That take is spot on to me. JR is guarding his turf. We need them both cooking to have any chance. I'd like to see a players only meeting happen. They're not playing in concert.

Berman wrote it so......

Yall love gossip. Still stuck in 2009. Either the Knicks are good or they aren't good. Boring, I know but everything else is just bull rumors. Berman has no idea what these guys feel about eachother and neither do we.

[Zenzibar]

Berman hints there may be chemistry issues

When Randle talked about the starters lacking chemistry, he might have been referring specifically to his alliance with Walker. When Randle weaved his bust-out 2020-21 season, he was the point forward, often bringing the ball upcourt. Both Walker and Randle like having the ball in their hands. One NBA scout senses Randle “pouts’’ when he doesn’t possess it enough.

It was notable that when Walker went off in the first half Friday, Randle didn’t have a point until 2:30 to go before intermission. The best scenario would be for both of them to click together. Instead, Randle is relapsing into iso-ball and committed five turnovers against the Hornets

One of the hallmarks of the 2020-21 team, which posted a 41-31 record, was its camaraderie. There were live wires on that Knicks bench. Unintentionally, Thibodeau may have created a division with his recent singling out of the starters in a very negative light.

When the bench brigade began a fourth-quarter comeback in Charlotte, the only players on the bench cheering were rookies Miles McBride, Quentin Grimes and Wayne Selden. The starters stayed put on the pine. Not good.

Sounds like Berman has been scouring through our forum and reading my posts.

https://nypost.com/2021/11/13/knicks-getting-right-includes-fixing-walker-randle-dynamic/

The takeaway is that Randle is not being a good leader and has set a toxic tone that doesn’t foster camaraderie amongst the team. Bears watching going forward.

There is, I posted about it in the post game. In my observation it started at home around the 76rs game. The fans satrted chanting Obi, Obi and I immediately saw a change in Randles game in the minutes after.
Everyone wants to be adored, especially high ego professional players who feel they are responsible for the Team's success.
Not only that but the Team resigned him and in no uncertain terms said, "this is your team".

Then you have the fans express adoration to your backup and less MVP chants toward you as last year. During a time out during the Hornets game, Randle was sitting taking up 2 seats in front of Thibs and Obi couldn't get a seat and had to stand. Not sure if Obi was getting subbed for or was subbing in but he looked a little intimidated or awkward at that moment (my observation based on body language).

Then I saw Randle to, what seemed to me as scolding IQ for taking a long shot, even though IQ was cooking. Maybe Randle wanted the ball in the post, don't know. T
At the end of the day, the coaching staff; Thibs and Kenny Payne specifically need to talk to Randle and bring him down a notch.

The dude has so much talent and still has room to grow but this "it's my team" sht need squashing. Now!

[2010]

My problem with Randle wasn't whether or not he's talented, it's that his game is so ball dominant and when he's off the ball he's actively trying to get it back, he's never cutting off ball, he's rarely setting screens for anyone other than the ball handler etc. He will gravitate towards whoever has the ball and try to set a screen even if they don't call for it, because he wants it back on the catch or on a repost, and when he does that he often brings his defender with him to kill whatever his teammate was thinking of doing. He doesn't pass to keep the offense moving, he passes with the sole purpose of trying to get an assist, it's why he runs so many DHO with Evan (Previously Bullock), and why so many of our shots come late in the clock (5th most frequent in shots coming 4-7 seconds on clock).

You cannot have a great functioning offense with Randle playing the way he plays and other players who need the ball, this year the starting 5 has a 104.9 offensive rating, last year with Payton/Bullock in the starting 5 we had a 109 ORTG, because the offense is so catered to Randle that it goes as he goes, and he's having a down year compared to last year. As bad as Kemba and Fournier are on defense, they are without question better offensive players than Payton and Bullock, yet our offense is even worse with them on the floor because Randle needs the ball. You could swap Randle with Obi in the 2nd unit and their offense would come grinding to a halt because you wouldn't have the movement that Obi brings, no cutting, no passing and the ball would stick to one person. That is just the fundamental problem of having such a ball dominant player who isn't a top 20 talent, you give the type of touches that Randle gets to a superstar, not to him. But, we let that genie out of the bottle and it is what it is at this point.

Theory: Offense worked better last year BECAUSE of the offensive limitations of Elf/Bullocks/RJ. Because it facilitated Randle being Randle, where he was most happy and comfortable.

He's not liking the new offense where there is an expectation he might have to do other things than dominate the play.

I said this least year. And Thibs loved it because in playing these guys 1.) he sent the message for Randle to play ISO and 2.) in doing so he was responsible for Randle's All-Star/MIP/2nd team season. The playoffs exposed him because Thibs inserted a capable player into the starting lineup. Rose over Elfrid was kryponite to Randle. It's amplified now that they've given him shooters and a known playmaker. And this is clearly This is probably why Rose prefers the 2nd unit - to steer clear of the havoc Randle/Thibs can wreak on players. RJ has stunk lately. Fournier has stunk. Kemba has stunk. I HATE all of them for that. But at some point you have to look at that collection of bad play, at the same time, and ask yourself:

Are they all mysteriously bad at the same time forcing Randle to play the only way he knows...

or

Is Randle playing the only way he knows affecting the effectiveness of his on court unit at the same time?

So far the evidence has been heavily tilted one direction.

Bingo!

[duetta]

Thing is, Randle has become so good a spot-up shooter and shotmaker in general (when not unduly forcing) that there is no reason that he can't adjust - assuming the coach insists that he does.

Will the coach insist? Stay tuned.

[thebuzzardman]

Randle isn't adjusting despite having known detail oriented task manager maniac Thibs in his ear. With having the feared but loved ex Kentucky coach Kenny Payne in his ear.

I'd assume other teams are noticing this and saying to themselves, well, if what amounts to the handpicked version of coaches that should make Randle succeed isn't getting through to him, then why should any collection of coaches we have?

Again, maybe Randle gets it through his skull in like 30 games.
It took the Heat, with much better players, time to gel.

I mean, this is the last hope, other than Randle gets traded or we all watch the clock tick down on his contract for the next 4 years.
Or, the Knicks build out the lineup to totally cater to Randle's tendencies and we can enjoy 1st and MAYBE a 2nd round exit for 4 years. Which, hey, might be a result no matter what, or not even that good.

Thibs saying "Hey, it's BS it's taking this long to gel" could have been a shot fired at Randle. "Hey, get your head out of your ass. If you share the ball more, let it stick less and trust these other guys a bit more, it can work" (on offense at least) Meanwhile, Thibs might know it generally takes 30 games but he doesn't want Randle to have any excuses. Something like that. Or it just angers Thibs that the fix is easy, predicated on breaking a habits by Randle.

[F N 11]

He’s not a #1 option but his ego will be his downfall. Along with Thibs enabling him. He knows we are better when he facilitates but he just absolutely have it revert to old ways that has shown to not be winning basketball. He’s annoying and possibly could be chasing bonuses in his contract. He’s not a team player imo. I have always said he’s not a team player because he does not believe in hockey assist. Instead of making the quick pass for the swing he always waits for the guy to be 100% open.

I don’t like him but he’s definitely being enabled and being a priority even if it doesn’t lead to success. 5-1 when guards were being guards. After the Chicago game something happened and he started getting the ball a lot more. Dude needs to be a team player and take defense seriously. His defense is atrocious and the entire team takes on his tendencies, he’s a black hole.

[Clyde_Style]

He’s not a #1 option but his ego will be his downfall. Along with Thibs enabling him. He knows we are better when he facilitates but he just absolutely have it revert to old ways that has shown to not be winning basketball. He’s annoying and possibly could be chasing bonuses in his contract. He’s not a team player imo.

Do we know what his contractual bonuses are?

Because if that is true, it definitely matches up with the way he is playing. I’ve seen him fight teammates for boards this season and its disgusting