Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

[thebuzzardman]

Let's run it back with the same team, 38 wins, and same people will complain the team is mediocre, we didn't tank, it's a treadmill.
While everyone beats down the door for Fournier, Rose, in a trade.
Note I didn't mention any of the youth, as we have to keep them all, for they are awesome.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I get the playoff issue.
That's my ideal trade, even it's a risk, is Fournier/Rose/Cam, we keep the youth, and sure, lose Rose a trade chip, but we have the youth to continue to develop and/or possibly deal. And RJ and Randle aren't off the table and neither are Brunson or Mitchell after 2 years

If you're making this trade for Mitchell the playoffs is where you expect to be, this is the type of trade a team makes to get them into the ranks of contender. This will not make us a contender, and the avenues to improve would be limited to hoping the cap goes up enough that we could sign the next free agent, which is as big of a gamble as the draft.

I love this take, for the simple fact it’s admitting that you prefer mediocrity. If the team stays as is, they are a 38-42 win with a nucleus built around RJ, Brunson and Randle, capped out and are in wait and see mode for the next 3-5 years to see which star in the 10-20 range wants to play with that Nucleus. Good luck with that

38-44 you say?




Guess what that draft got them

Now your turn, show me all the teams who built contenders off trades like this where they didn't already have a superstar on the team. Cause, I just saw the one in Brooklyn implode, and they had KD and Kyrie on their squad when they made the "you just have to" trade.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Let's run it back with the same team, 38 wins, and same people will complain the team is mediocre, we didn't tank, it's a treadmill.
While everyone beats down the door for Fournier, Rose, in a trade.
Note I didn't mention any of the youth, as we have to keep them all, for they are awesome.

I'm perfectly fine with going 38-44 as long as the young players are showing progress, when exactly have we taken this approach?

[Clyde_Style]

Let's run it back with the same team, 38 wins, and same people will complain the team is mediocre, we didn't tank, it's a treadmill.
While everyone beats down the door for Fournier, Rose, in a trade.
Note I didn't mention any of the youth, as we have to keep them all, for they are awesome.

We sucked. The only reason we got as many as 37 wins last season is because I ruined the tank with my uncanny game thread creation powers that produced an actual winning streak.

We'll be above .500 this season regardless of the DM sweepstakes. Just adding Brunson changes the chemistry of the starting line-up for at least 5-10 more wins this year.

[Fury]

Read on Twitter

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Dude makes sense

bye rj

I don’t buy this because he got a contract due

[Catchall]

I'm not convinced the Jazz really want RJ Barrett. But if they say they want RJ Barrett, it means they can also pivot in the discussion and say, "Okay, fine. You guys keep RJ. Just give us Obi and two more first-rounders, and we'll move on."

I think the deal will end up being Toppin, Grimes, Fournier and 5+ FRPs.

[snadler]

Let's run it back with the same team, 38 wins, and same people will complain the team is mediocre, we didn't tank, it's a treadmill.
While everyone beats down the door for Fournier, Rose, in a trade.
Note I didn't mention any of the youth, as we have to keep them all, for they are awesome.

I'm perfectly fine with going 38-44 as long as the young players are showing progress, when exactly have we taken this approach?

Progress to what? Fringe starters, bench players? Your answer should be to see if any of them can become
A star, because If you don’t think so, which I don’t outside of RJ, then you move them all for a star

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Let's run it back with the same team, 38 wins, and same people will complain the team is mediocre, we didn't tank, it's a treadmill.
While everyone beats down the door for Fournier, Rose, in a trade.
Note I didn't mention any of the youth, as we have to keep them all, for they are awesome.

I'm perfectly fine with going 38-44 as long as the young players are showing progress, when exactly have we taken this approach?

Progress to what? Fringe starters, bench players? Your answer should be to see if any of them can become
A star, because If you don’t think so, which I don’t outside of RJ, then you move them all for a star

Show me all the successful teams that unloaded as many assets as you all are talking about, ones where the team didn't have a superstar on the roster already.

Kawhi didn't even cost this much

[snadler]

I'm not convinced the Jazz really want RJ Barrett. But if they say they want RJ Barrett, it means they can also pivot in the discussion and say, "Ok, fine. You guys keep RJ. Just give us Obi and two more first-rounders, and we'll move on."

They don’t want RJ, sometimes people make it more complicated than it is, remember Ainge’s goal, lose, picks and clear as much cap space, what value is it to have RJ to have to decide by October if he’s worthy of a max

[thebuzzardman]

Let's run it back with the same team, 38 wins, and same people will complain the team is mediocre, we didn't tank, it's a treadmill.
While everyone beats down the door for Fournier, Rose, in a trade.
Note I didn't mention any of the youth, as we have to keep them all, for they are awesome.

I'm perfectly fine with going 38-44 as long as the young players are showing progress, when exactly have we taken this approach?

The last few years

[Chanel Bomber]

Knicks fans deserve what they want and want what they deserve.

Garland
SGA
Little
KP
Mitch

Capn'W

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Let's run it back with the same team, 38 wins, and same people will complain the team is mediocre, we didn't tank, it's a treadmill.
While everyone beats down the door for Fournier, Rose, in a trade.
Note I didn't mention any of the youth, as we have to keep them all, for they are awesome.

I'm perfectly fine with going 38-44 as long as the young players are showing progress, when exactly have we taken this approach?

The last few years

Elfrid Payton, Alec Burks and Derrick Rose have been the guards who have played the most minutes for us the last few years, that's not prioritizing youth development.

[snadler]

I'm perfectly fine with going 38-44 as long as the young players are showing progress, when exactly have we taken this approach?

Progress to what? Fringe starters, bench players? Your answer should be to see if any of them can become
A star, because If you don’t think so, which I don’t outside of RJ, then you move them all for a star

Show me all the successful teams that unloaded as many assets as you all are talking about, ones where the team didn't have a superstar on the roster already.

Kawhi didn't even cost this much

You my friend are putting way too much stock into fringe starters and bench players, I get it they are homegrown, you want them to succeed, but none of them outside of RJ who isn’t going anywhere is even remotely close to being an all star

[Catchall]

I'm not convinced the Jazz really want RJ Barrett. But if they say they want RJ Barrett, it means they can also pivot in the discussion and say, "Ok, fine. You guys keep RJ. Just give us Obi and two more first-rounders, and we'll move on."

They don’t want RJ, sometimes people make it more complicated than it is, remember Ainge’s goal, lose, picks and clear as much cap space, what value is it to have RJ to have to decide by October if he’s worthy of a max

The Jazz are walking around with their shopping cart right now, and they'll pick up assets if they're good buys. They're interested in Colin Sexton, for example. But neither Herro nor Barrett with their pending extensions are that appealing. The Jazz also kicked the tires on Ayton, but weren't going to pay him as much as Indiana offered.

[robillionaire]

If you're making this trade for Mitchell the playoffs is where you expect to be, this is the type of trade a team makes to get them into the ranks of contender. This will not make us a contender, and the avenues to improve would be limited to hoping the cap goes up enough that we could sign the next free agent, which is as big of a gamble as the draft.

I love this take, for the simple fact it’s admitting that you prefer mediocrity. If the team stays as is, they are a 38-42 win with a nucleus built around RJ, Brunson and Randle, capped out and are in wait and see mode for the next 3-5 years to see which star in the 10-20 range wants to play with that Nucleus. Good luck with that

38-44 you say?




Guess what that draft got them

Now your turn, show me all the teams who built contenders off trades like this where they didn't already have a superstar on the team. Cause, I just saw the one in Brooklyn implode, and they had KD and Kyrie on their squad when they made the "you just have to" trade.

Oh you mean the bucks team that pushed to make the 8th seed, yes I’m sure you’d have supported that!

[whocares1]

Let's run it back with the same team, 38 wins, and same people will complain the team is mediocre, we didn't tank, it's a treadmill.
While everyone beats down the door for Fournier, Rose, in a trade.
Note I didn't mention any of the youth, as we have to keep them all, for they are awesome.

If we ran the team as is, benched Fournier and got rid of Randle I guarantee you the fans would be happy. They finally traded a bulk of the vets and Thibs is now forced to create a rotation of the players we’ve been begging to see all season.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Knicks fans deserve what they want and want what they deserve.

Spoiler:

Ntilikina
Fields
Barrett
Future MVP Porzingis
Mozgov

That five is better than

Spoiler:

Brunson
Fournier
Barrett
Once again all NBA Randle
No shot Mitch

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Progress to what? Fringe starters, bench players? Your answer should be to see if any of them can become
A star, because If you don’t think so, which I don’t outside of RJ, then you move them all for a star

Show me all the successful teams that unloaded as many assets as you all are talking about, ones where the team didn't have a superstar on the roster already.

Kawhi didn't even cost this much

You my friend are putting way too much stock into fringe starters and bench players, I get it they are homegrown, you want them to succeed, but none of them outside of RJ who isn’t going anywhere is even remotely close to being an all star

Show me all the successful teams that unloaded as many assets as you all are talking about, ones where the team didn't have a superstar on the roster already.

How do you know RJ isn't going anywhere? This is a trade "You have to make" and will propel us to 5th in the East.

[thebuzzardman]

Let's run it back with the same team, 38 wins, and same people will complain the team is mediocre, we didn't tank, it's a treadmill.
While everyone beats down the door for Fournier, Rose, in a trade.
Note I didn't mention any of the youth, as we have to keep them all, for they are awesome.

If we ran the team as is, benched Fournier and got rid of Randle I guarantee you the fans would be happy. They finally traded a bulk of the vets and Thibs is now forced to create a rotation of the players we’ve been begging to see all season.

They'd be happy for one year, then b*tch because the team isn't very good

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I love this take, for the simple fact it’s admitting that you prefer mediocrity. If the team stays as is, they are a 38-42 win with a nucleus built around RJ, Brunson and Randle, capped out and are in wait and see mode for the next 3-5 years to see which star in the 10-20 range wants to play with that Nucleus. Good luck with that

38-44 you say?




Guess what that draft got them

Now your turn, show me all the teams who built contenders off trades like this where they didn't already have a superstar on the team. Cause, I just saw the one in Brooklyn implode, and they had KD and Kyrie on their squad when they made the "you just have to" trade.

Oh you mean the bucks team that pushed to make the 8th seed, yes I’m sure you’d have supported that!

Did they make it Rob?