PG: Knicks fall short in loss to Celts

[Oscirus]

they ain’t married to him as proof that they’re willing to trade him for a guy like embiid (even tho that’s all but dead) they just aren’t moving him for a downgrade that’s all

Sometimes u just need to look at a player and say it isn't a fit here and it never will be. He's a losing player. Tonight is a perfect example. With RJ out Randle needed to have a really strong game and help Brunson but he had just an ok game... he didn't rise to the challenge and he never does that's his biggest problem

well yeah he’s a 2nd or 3rd tier player, like brunson and rj. not his fault.. fo needs to finally get that legit tier 1 guy in here

1s want to go with other 1s not 2 or 3s so barring a kd kyrie free agency sitch we gonna need to develop them ourselves

[DaGawd]

Sometimes u just need to look at a player and say it isn't a fit here and it never will be. He's a losing player. Tonight is a perfect example. With RJ out Randle needed to have a really strong game and help Brunson but he had just an ok game... he didn't rise to the challenge and he never does that's his biggest problem

well yeah he’s a 2nd or 3rd tier player, like brunson and rj. not his fault.. fo needs to finally get that legit tier 1 guy in here

1s want to go with other 1s not 2 or 3s so barring a kd kyrie free agency sitch we gonna need to develop them ourselves

yeah unless we trade for that guy we’re in a tough spot, none of our players project to ever reach that type of status with development, and we won’t be bad enough to get one of those in the draft

[aq_ua]

I'm trying to remember last season and how we ever won those games without a really good RJ. Randle must've been really good.

[ctorres]

For real though, we need a backup pf like nobody business.

Gallinari is my target. Bring him home!

The Wizards have no use for him if they're just gonna be the worse team in the league this season

He'd fit perfectly with the Knicks

One of my favorite Knicks during that stretch, just didn't last long enough... I was at that home game right before we made the trade.... HUGE win by our youth, Gallo had a big game....

Fournier for Gallo and Shamet works on the trade checker. Shamet would be yet another 6'4 guy so we would have to re-route him elsewhere

[robillionaire]

I'm trying to remember last season and how we ever won those games without a really good RJ. Randle must've been really good.

Randle had a 37 point game and a 31 point game and also there was a game where Brunson didn’t play and Quickley had 38 points

[dakomish23]

Wtf is Julius attempting 8 3’s for. Dude shot 5-11 inside the arc and 9-11 FTs. It’s supposed to be a supplement not a primary weapon.

Bully ball, get it out the mud. Anticipate the doubles and kick to open shooters. Late 80s 90s ball is still effective.

[TKKnicks1]

Next 3 are all winnable. Let's see how these cats bounce back.

[Oscirus]

well yeah he’s a 2nd or 3rd tier player, like brunson and rj. not his fault.. fo needs to finally get that legit tier 1 guy in here

1s want to go with other 1s not 2 or 3s so barring a kd kyrie free agency sitch we gonna need to develop them ourselves

yeah unless we trade for that guy we’re in a tough spot, none of our players project to ever reach that type of status with development, and we won’t be bad enough to get one of those in the draft

trades is practically free agency if you're good enough so unless the knicks get a player in kawhi's position, probably not gonna happen from the outside

[robillionaire]

Wtf is Julius attempting 8 3’s for. Dude shot 5-11 inside the arc and 9-11 FTs. It’s supposed to be a supplement not a primary weapon.

Bully ball, get it out the mud. Anticipate the doubles and kick to open shooters. Late 80s 90s ball is still effective.

did you know last year he shot 8.3 3pt attempts per game? This is kinda what he does

I would say he needs to just keep shooting back into form again. Can’t pass up open looks especially when other players are passing them up out there

[dakomish23]

For real though, we need a backup pf like nobody business.

Gallinari is my target. Bring him home!

The Wizards have no use for him if they're just gonna be the worse team in the league this season

He'd fit perfectly with the Knicks

One of my favorite Knicks during that stretch, just didn't last long enough... I was at that home game right before we made the trade.... HUGE win by our youth, Gallo had a big game....

This game???

Watch on YouTube

[dakomish23]

Wtf is Julius attempting 8 3’s for. Dude shot 5-11 inside the arc and 9-11 FTs. It’s supposed to be a supplement not a primary weapon.

Bully ball, get it out the mud. Anticipate the doubles and kick to open shooters. Late 80s 90s ball is still effective.

did you know last year he shot 8.3 3pt attempts per game? This is kinda what he does

I would say he needs to just keep shooting back into form again. Can’t pass up open looks especially when other players are passing them up out there

What makes you think I was ok with it last year either? He’s forcing a lot of these 3s. Open looks off ball movement, no one is complaining about.

This is not what he does or even kinda does. Did you know that was a career high by 3 attempts????

[dakomish23]

Updated
J. Randle - J. Hart - J. Brunson - M. Robinson - Q. Grimes
80 mins
95.1 ORTG
111.1 DRTG
-16.0 NRTG

[Clyde_Style]

Thus far this season the team has only had creativity and versatility when RJ has played. His absence was glaring tonight.

For all the issues of having both RJ and Randle in the same starting line-up, RJ's ball handling and generalship has taken the ball out of Randle's hands enough to make Randle play within his personal limits.

However, tonight we saw what happens when Randle becomes the first or second player in usage terms: it doesn't work for the team as a whole. In the second half, his decision making devolved rapidly and by the fourth he was glitching, fumbling and finally giving up shots because he was so out of the flow of the game by that point.

In the first half, he was relatively in control of himself. But it is pretty clear this team is going to be better when it leverages Randle's scoring abilities as a secondary scorer, not a primary one. He can easily score as many points if relegated to moving off the ball and being delivered the rock with a play in motion.

Put Randle consistently at the top of the key on a clearout with ISO moves for the majority of the game and he will melt down by the end of most games. As good as regular season Randle was last year, he was also BAD in the fourth quarter the majority of last year. Hot start Randle was very much a first half player for a reason. His faculties cloud over as the game progresses.

You must limit the decision making responsibilities of Randle in the second half of games. With RJ on the floor, this issue is heavily mitigated and Randle can still get good looks, but with less stress.

[robillionaire]

Wtf is Julius attempting 8 3’s for. Dude shot 5-11 inside the arc and 9-11 FTs. It’s supposed to be a supplement not a primary weapon.

Bully ball, get it out the mud. Anticipate the doubles and kick to open shooters. Late 80s 90s ball is still effective.

did you know last year he shot 8.3 3pt attempts per game? This is kinda what he does

I would say he needs to just keep shooting back into form again. Can’t pass up open looks especially when other players are passing them up out there

What makes you think I was ok with it last year either? He’s forcing a lot of these 3s. Open looks off ball movement, no one is complaining about.

This is not what he does or even kinda does. Did you know that was a career high by 3 attempts????

in relation to the entirety of last season it wasn’t out of the ordinary and things went pretty well last year

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Wtf is Julius attempting 8 3’s for. Dude shot 5-11 inside the arc and 9-11 FTs. It’s supposed to be a supplement not a primary weapon.

Bully ball, get it out the mud. Anticipate the doubles and kick to open shooters. Late 80s 90s ball is still effective.

It's hard to dominate and go to the paint relentlessly when the opposing C is always there. This used to happen to Embiid when he played with Simmons, there was a game against the Bucks where they put Giannis on Simmons and he was roaming on defense, Embiid ended up taking 13 threes because there was always a help defender in the lane. That happened tonight, KP had a 109.8 DRTG when he was in the game tonight, he was playing free safety on drives and catching the rollman/driver on screens, basically blowing up our offense because he didn't have to actually account for anyone.

People can continue to turn a blind eye to this, but the lowest ORTG in our starting 5 tonight was the guy that had 4 pts. You cannot win relying on OREBs as a main feature of your offense, especially not when it gets negated.

[RHODEY]

Next 3 are all winnable. Let's see how these cats bounce back.

Yeah 5-5 during this tough back back playoff/contender opponent stetch...Ill take it. I like how we are playing in stretches then you add RJ and we can make up ground quickley - pun intended

[Clyde_Style]

Shooters gotta shoot

Grimes was snapping the net. They should have fed him until he started clanking, because when a guy like that gets hot you might get another 3-4 threes in quick succession.

I really do not vibe Thibs as a coach

[KnicksGadfly]

...I just want to see RJ play at this point

[Clyde_Style]

...I just want to see RJ play at this point

Praying for his health

He has been a joy to watch this season

[RHODEY]

Thus far this season the team has only had creativity and versatility when RJ has played. His absence was glaring tonight.

For all the issues of having both RJ and Randle in the same starting line-up, RJ's ball handling and generalship has taken the ball out of Randle's hands enough to make Randle play within his personal limits.

However, tonight we saw what happens when Randle becomes the first or second player in usage terms: it doesn't work for the team as a whole. In the second half, his decision making devolved rapidly and by the fourth he was glitching, fumbling and finally giving up shots because he was so out of the flow of the game by that point.

In the first half, he was relatively in control of himself. But it is pretty clear this team is going to be better when it leverages Randle's scoring abilities as a secondary scorer, not a primary one. He can easily score as many points if relegated to moving off the ball and being delivered the rock with a play in motion.

Put Randle consistently at the top of the key on a clearout with ISO moves for the majority of the game and he will melt down by the end of most games. As good as regular season Randle was last year, he was also BAD in the fourth quarter the majority of last year. Hot start Randle was very much a first half player for a reason. His faculties cloud over as the game progresses.

You must limit the decision making responsibilities of Randle in the second half of games. With RJ on the floor, this issue is heavily mitigated and Randle can still get good looks, but with less stress.

Excellent points. We saw how good (even dominant) Randle can be. There were stretches in the 1st half were he was dominating...But as you mentioned it was only a matter of time when Randle would be forced into a position where he is not comfortable.

There is a reason why Randle tentatively takes the ball down the court when he could sprint...he knows his handle isn't tight and that he's prone to coughing the ball up. You can see it on his face.

This is why RJ breaking out was something that HAD to happen to save us....thank god its happening!