Original Title Was Wack - Knicks Comparison Thread Starting PG 5

[Im Coming Home]

how this thread not locked and OP not banned?

[KnixtapeH20]

how this thread not locked and OP not banned?

seriously delete this garbage

look at ANY topic this clown has ever made it reads like it's Randles son

[robillionaire]

Honestly now that I look at the numbers I’m not sure why we retired the #33 jersey

Ewing shot 36.3% in 6 games in the 1994 nba finals 8.3 fgm on 22.9 fga. Randle was 37.4% in last years playoffs through pain and agony with one functional leg!

[dakomish23]

I just looked at Ewings 1994 playoff stats and his ts% was .495 which is very bad especially for a center.

out of the 46 qualified centers playing today that would put him at 44th ahead of only Wendell Carter Jr and jock landale.

And this is the best example of success we have

he only shot 15% from 3 on his career so he likely wouldn’t be a starter in the modern nba

Ewing for his knicks career 51.8%
Randle for his Knicks career 48.3%

[KnixtapeH20]

Rob rarely if ever doesn't not troll anymore, sad what team villain did to him

[NYKinMIA]

IB4TFUQYOUASSHOLE

[Guano]

how this thread not locked and OP not banned?

Mf(melo) got 5 pages out of it.

I'm impressed

[Guano]

Rob rarely if ever doesn't not troll anymore, sad what team villain did to him

Rob should give tedtalks on loyalty.

[Oscirus]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=what+player+has+the+most+games+with+25%2B+points%2C+10%2B+rebounds%2C+and+5%2B+assists+in+knicks+history

teach the controversy

nobody remembers anything Patrick Ewing did in the playoffs besides miss a wide open layup get dominated by hakeem in the finals and get injured that’s his entire playoff legacy so we are about even in that regard

Nope nobody remembers Ewing setting the finals record for blocks in that finals. Also he outrebounded Olajawun as well but sure he got dominated cuz olajuwan scored more.

[WargamesX]

Prove with data all the stuff you said in your first paragraph. It's all subjective.

The Knicks did not exhaust every option to put the best team around Melo - as proven by us literally trading a pick AFTER the series to bring in Bargs. And just b/c they tried to put pieces around him doesn't mean they did a good job of it. They wasted the amnesty clause when they could have opted out of Billups contract or tried to trade it. Those were two critical mistakes that prevented us from building a good team around him. Melo dragged us from the 11 seed to the 7 seed after Lin & Amare went down. Then he followed that up with getting us the 2 seed and to the 2nd round for the first time in 15 years. And we only went to game 6 vs IND b/c of Melo and he did what Brunson did in game 6 (going supernova) trying to drag it to 7. No one else showed up all series. Meanwhile, we went to game 6 with MIA last year in spite of Julius's bad games (they weren't all bad). Did you watch game 5??? We had to sit Randle as we went down 10 in the first on the way to a blowout, then we immediately go on an 18-2 run and go on to win the game. You're rewriting history.

Former Knicks players have called out that Randle has no accountability. Why are you ignoring that but embracing what some of Melo's former teammates have said? And not even players who played with him during his time here. And somehow you "KNOW" Tyson was sick of him?

One thing that you said that was true was that expectations FOR THE TEAM with Melo were not met vs the expectations FOR THE TEAM were surpassed with Randle. But that statement in itself shows the wide gap in who's better b/w the two. You don't have expectations for one and not the other if you don't think one is better a better player than the other.

And I'm a Randle Island guy from day one. I just know who was the better player b/w these two at this point. If Randle sticks to bully ball, defending and being a solid facilitator, we could go very far as a team. Then we can revisit this. But at this point they're not close.

No need for me to dig up data. I never said Randle is more talented or statistically a better player than Melo. I just said he's been a better Knick. To me, that simply means I've enjoyed his career and the teams he's played on significantly more than I did Melo's. You said so yourself- Melo's run was a massive disappointment. So for that reason alone, I don't miss that era and I don't look back on it fondly pretty much at all. It was a waste of 7 years, whereas this current team (led in large part by Randle) still has real hope to contend at some point soon.

I also never said it was all Melo's fault (although he had a lot to do with it by forcing a trade instead of signing as a FA). Of course the Knicks FO made mistakes, just as we can point to some mistakes Leon and co. have made with this team (although they've been much better overall than Grunwald, Mills and Phil IMO). For instance, imagine if they didn't sign Fournier, drafted Haliburton over Obi and put their FA money to use in some other way that might have landed us a legit 2 way wing. Who knows. Hindsight is 20/20 and it's not worth toiling over. The fact remains, the Knicks tapped themselves out trying to make the finals with Melo. Just because they traded a pick for Bargs the following year doesn't mean they could have added the final piece to the '13 team but chose not to. That was a bold assumption on your part.

One last counterpoint I will make is that... for all the flack Randle catches for "choking in the playoffs", I think it's extremely unfair to overlook his injury last year. The dude is tough as nails. He sat out the last 10 games or so of the regular season to get right, clearly wasn't 100 percent when he came back but was still playing pretty well until he re-aggravated it, and he never complained or considered sitting out. I respect him for that, and I will never consider that a choke job. 2021 was different. Suddenly fans were back in the arena, the lights were bright, the defense loaded up on him (dude was playing with no other ball handlers or shooters) and he didn't perform. It is what it is.

Again, Melo is clearly the more talented, more highly regarded and more HOF-worthy player. He's got more accolades and a much better reputation around the league. There's no denying that. But when you take all the hype surrounding his arrival and all the gaudy numbers, and put it up against the early outs in the POs, the losing seasons and times he missed the playoffs altogether, plus the carousel of coaches and the constant drama and tension...... his time with the Knicks was a huge fail, for Melo on a personal level and for the Knicks franchise. And I'm sorry but it pains me to see people put him in the same conversation as Ewing, King and Clyde as some sort of Knicks legend. Houston and Sprewell are well above him on my list in terms of what they meant for the team and the city. Not even close.

Just admit it. We star phucked for Melo and got ass phucked in the end. His 2 most famous moments in the Garden were 62 points on the bum ass Bobcats, and sucker punching Mardy Collins in the face.

Randle was the #1 and best player on the team for one playoff run since he’s been a Knick and that was the 2020-21 season. The Knicks were bounced from the playoffs easily while he had one of the worst playoff meltdowns in history.

Last season, Brunson was clearly the best Knick on the team. Has Melo ever played with a Knick better than him or even close to being him equal? Add context of the team surrounding the player. This is the most talented Knicks team in the 21st century. And it’s not close. Put prime Knicks Melo on this team instead of Randle and this team would be considered a contender.

Would we or would everybody be complaining about him ball hogging, shooting us out of games, and not passing to Brunson or anyone else to keep his stats up? Also at least Randle plays team defense consistently, Melo did that every couple of games when he felt like it.

Melo was cool, but he was a bit of a diva too….. Randle will have his moments but usually will try to distribute whenever he’s having a bad game. If you could ADD Melo to this team they might be contenders just because he would be able to focus on scoring and the team could run at a high level in spite of that. I don’t think he would make them better just replacing Randle.

[robillionaire]

Rob rarely if ever doesn't not troll anymore, sad what team villain did to him

Rob should give tedtalks on loyalty.

It’s remarkably easy to support to a talented player who makes all-nba teams

Folks here stayed loyal to the likes of Frank for half a decade, now that’s impressive

[Clyde_Style]

This thread now has essay length debate posts

Brilliant troll job by op

[Guano]

Rob rarely if ever doesn't not troll anymore, sad what team villain did to him

Rob should give tedtalks on loyalty.

It’s remarkably easy to support to a talented player who makes all-nba teams

Folks here stayed loyal to the likes of Frank for half a decade, now that’s impressive

Randle resurrected a dying franchise and is persecuted by the fans he serves. Keep doing your thing.

[Oscirus]

Rob should give tedtalks on loyalty.

It’s remarkably easy to support to a talented player who makes all-nba teams

Folks here stayed loyal to the likes of Frank for half a decade, now that’s impressive

Randle resurrected a dying franchise and is persecuted by the fans he serves. Keep doing your thing.

Amare and Melo did it better and they weren't no shows in the playoffs

[Guano]

It’s remarkably easy to support to a talented player who makes all-nba teams

Folks here stayed loyal to the likes of Frank for half a decade, now that’s impressive

Randle resurrected a dying franchise and is persecuted by the fans he serves. Keep doing your thing.

Amare and Melo did it better and they weren't no shows in the playoffs

I don't pit Knicks legends against each other.

[robillionaire]

Randle resurrected a dying franchise and is persecuted by the fans he serves. Keep doing your thing.

Amare and Melo did it better and they weren't no shows in the playoffs

I don't pit Knicks legends against each other.

When they go low we go high

[Kidknick!]

No. Not even close. Ewing's effort was never questioned.

[robillionaire]

“They're annoying me,'' Ewing said, talking calmly but firmly about Knicks fans after the game. ''If they're going to act the way they act, they might as well stay home. If they're going to support us, then support us. If you go other places, when the team is playing bad, the fans still support them. Here, they support you one minute, then if something goes wrong, they jump off the bandwagon. I'm just tired of it. It has been like that for 12 years. I'm fed up with it.''

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/09/sports/ewing-calls-foul-on-booing-knick-fans.html

Wow this guy sounds toxic, and likely has various mental disorders.

[Oscirus]

Randle resurrected a dying franchise and is persecuted by the fans he serves. Keep doing your thing.

Amare and Melo did it better and they weren't no shows in the playoffs

I don't pit Knicks legends against each other.

You have a remarkably flexible use of the definition for legend.

[G_K_F]

Randle resurrected a dying franchise and is persecuted by the fans he serves. Keep doing your thing.

Amare and Melo did it better and they weren't no shows in the playoffs

I don't pit Knicks legends against each other.

Bigger Knicks legend - Fournier or Earl Monroe/Bill Bradley?