"Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks?" (video analysis)

[KNIXFAN_83]

Just why???

Because Leon and Thibs chose Julius (CAA) over RJ, IQ and Obi. Now after watching IQ and RJ turn into Lowery & Derozen 2.0 people are questioning what held them back. It’s looking more each day like Thibs and Randle that’s why. Respectfully

[cgmw]

Being hurt doesn't excuse him from the way he played in Miami series.
I have never witnessed anything like that.
Especially in playoffs.

Pretty impressive honestly how quickly he’s been forgiven for the 100% lack of effort in a second round series. That kind of thing should have been an instant career killer. Apparently he “gutted it out” on a bad ankle. Who knew?

i am literally recovering from a grade 2 ankle sprain right now. if i set foot on the court, i couldn't defend or cut the way i normally would. the question is, should i be on the court? which i'm not. i think homie was trying to willis reed it out, which was probably a bad call.

Sorry about your ankle. I’ve done worse (many times). Sucks.

I still don’t see the correlation between his visual LACK OF EFFORT and his ankle. He hustled when he wanted to and visually quit many times including sulking on the court, which has nothing to do with his (physical) injury. It was a disgrace and should have essentially ended his career then and there.

That said, if the ankle narrative helps his image I’m all for it. Go Julius. Just win, you crazy f*ck.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Pretty impressive honestly how quickly he’s been forgiven for the 100% lack of effort in a second round series. That kind of thing should have been an instant career killer. Apparently he “gutted it out” on a bad ankle. Who knew?

i am literally recovering from a grade 2 ankle sprain right now. if i set foot on the court, i couldn't defend or cut the way i normally would. the question is, should i be on the court? which i'm not. i think homie was trying to willis reed it out, which was probably a bad call.

Sorry about your ankle. I’ve done worse (many times). Sucks.

I still don’t see the correlation between his visual LACK OF EFFORT and his ankle. He hustled when he wanted to and visually quit many times including sulking on the court, which has nothing to do with his (physical) injury. It was a disgrace and should have essentially ended his career then and there.

That said, if the ankle narrative helps his image I’m all for it. Go Julius. Just win, you crazy f*ck.

thanks for the support. appreciate it, mane.

what i meant was, i'm a high effort player. never had the athleticism or talent to go far with the game, so i play hard. i wouldn't look like that kind of player with a bum ankle. my effort wouldn't be apparent. i'd look like i didn't care.

[thebuzzardman]

Just why???

Because Leon and Thibs chose Julius (CAA) over RJ, IQ and Obi. Now after watching IQ and RJ turn into Lowery & Derozen 2.0 people are questioning what held them back. It’s looking more each day like Thibs and Randle that’s why. Respectfully

Isn't DeRozan a guy who always lays an egg in the playoffs like Randle?

What a sad future lays in store for RJ.

At least IQ will be ok, if he can put some more fat on his ass like Lowry

[Juco24]

Just why???

Because Leon and Thibs chose Julius (CAA) over RJ, IQ and Obi. Now after watching IQ and RJ turn into Lowery & Derozen 2.0 people are questioning what held them back. It’s looking more each day like Thibs and Randle that’s why. Respectfully

Kudos to you for getting all of that from this one video.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Julius has come a long way THIS season. He was up and down prior to this just like RJ but he was the one "driving the bus". There was zero accountability for him no matter how he behaved or how poorly he played. Seeing how he ISN'T LeBron or Giannis, it soured some people. At the same time he was being propped up and praised, RJ was being destroyed by those same fans even though he was 20-21 years old. Guess what, that also annoyed people. The hate brigade was out in force for both players. The difference was RJ fans were rooting for a young player to find his way while hoping Randle would cut the BS and Thibs would hold him accountable. The other side of it was always RJ sucks and it's a closed book on him while Randle was all NBA all star so shut up. It was and still is hypocrisy at its finest.

They didn't fit together and RJ was put in the passengers seat the entire time. Right or wrong, that is what happened. So if RJ comes into his own now without Randle, it can be argued that Randle was in his way to an extent. They simply didn't fit together. One was young and finding his way while the other was allowed to do whatever he wanted.

Playoffs. We were a fluke team in that first year where the whole team basically sucked. So, while we tend to put that on Randle alone because how he behaved and performed, that team simply wasn't ready for the playoffs. Last season was the injury. Again, Randle played poorly and Thibs coaching was very questionable but, we still made the second round. Oh well. It was a lot of fun for me.

The system/coach is more to blame than either player IMO. The fit is more to blame here as well. Randle is a monster when he's engaged like he has been this season but, especially since the trade. He hasn't hustled/played/behaved like this most of his time here. It's what we need from him if we have any hopes to improve.

RJ is in Toronto and seemingly getting back to early season form. If he becomes what we wanted from him, good for him. It's obvious that we didn't maximize his potential as a young player if he breaks out in Toronto. That remains to be seen and will be discussed if/when it happens as nauseum. My perspective will be me blaming the HC/FO more than either player.

I was a Randle hater and he deserved much of it but, he is redeeming himself and I couldn't be happier. RJ is gone. Fuq him! The problem this team had is clear. The two players didn't fit. The HC didn't know how to make it work and we moved on from the younger one. Period.

I wonder if we sent out Randle/picks for OG and kept RJ/IQ and OG was the PF...how would this team look?

In the end, we all want to win. Guess what, we're winning!!! Enjoy the show and leave the petty bullshyt behind. It's literally the greatest time to be a fan of this team in the last 25 years!!

[Deeeez Knicks]

Randle has been playing great. He deserves a lot of praise for his play and deserves to be an all-star again. He legit looks much more happy and his play shows it.
Hopefully he keeps this up.

[NYKinMIA]

I think he started showing signs of mental and physical fatigue before the ankle injury, but everything fell off a cliff after the ankle. I'm optimistic about him putting it all together this season for a few reasons:
- His decision-making and shot-selection are MUCH improved compared to prior years, even by his own admission in a Fred Katz article last week.

- He's been improving his temperament incrementally since the "thumbs down" season, and this year has been markedly better. I saw Jalen Brunson get between him and a ref this past week, and instead of shoving Brunson like he did with IQ last year, he accepted it and cooled off.

- The team is built better for him. The team Randle vs. team RJ nonsense boils down to Randle and RJ not fitting together. Everyone knew one of them had to go, but people picked sides instead of acknowledging that both guys would get better after a split. Randle will have better spacing and more defensive help to cover his flaws as a player, which overlap with RJ's (inconsistent shooting, lackluster defense, and losing their heads).

But i'm also not about to relitigate the past few seasons from Randle being problematic in a bunch of obvious ways. Anyone who grew up on 90's Knicks ball should recognize why older Knicks fans generally found his mentality off-putting. He's a great player, but the things he did poorly were particularly galling to people who grew up watching less talented guys get further by checking their egos.

But I'll repeat, Randle seems to have come around starting last season and especially this year. If you get the buy-in that guys like 90's players had under Riley but make them as gifted as Randle, it's a recipe that could be special. Playoff Brunson + THIS Randle with OG and the Center tandem defending...that's a tough 7 game series for damn near ANYBODY (the C's still feel like a bad match-up play for play, so they're my Eastern Conference exception).

[cgmw]

i am literally recovering from a grade 2 ankle sprain right now. if i set foot on the court, i couldn't defend or cut the way i normally would. the question is, should i be on the court? which i'm not. i think homie was trying to willis reed it out, which was probably a bad call.

Sorry about your ankle. I’ve done worse (many times). Sucks.

I still don’t see the correlation between his visual LACK OF EFFORT and his ankle. He hustled when he wanted to and visually quit many times including sulking on the court, which has nothing to do with his (physical) injury. It was a disgrace and should have essentially ended his career then and there.

That said, if the ankle narrative helps his image I’m all for it. Go Julius. Just win, you crazy f*ck.

thanks for the support. appreciate it, mane.

what i meant was, i'm a high effort player. never had the athleticism or talent to go far with the game, so i play hard. i wouldn't look like that kind of player with a bum ankle. my effort wouldn't be apparent. i'd look like i didn't care.

Sadly the Knicks don’t pay you $100+m as the face of the franchise. Also, you didn’t sh*t the bed with two healthy ankles the year before. Hopefully third time’s the charm with Julius and nobody is out here making excuses next year for his lack of effort/production in this year’s playoffs.

[Stannis]

Hopefully third time’s the charm with Julius and nobody is out here making excuses next year for his lack of effort/production in this year’s playoffs.

It's lot of hope though. I still say pull the trigger on a Randle trade @ the deadline. So far, he's folded when it matters most. But looks like a lot of suckers are starting to believe again.

I don't think RJ was the reason Randle would do 5 spin-move TOs a game.

The excuse this year will be OG isn't a viable option as a #3 scorer so Randle had to jack up 20 shots a game. Apparently shooting bricks is not about selection + skill but just necessary.

[Reign23]

play the victim ? it's just annoying. it's not that serious man. ok. why don't you relax.

If it's not that serious, then shut the f*ck up about it already

It's just as annoying to go into any thread and read pages on pages of you guys whining.

i stopped talking about him actually but now i'm gonna talk about him all the time. ok you weirdo. this is why you're not the mod here anymore i guess. you can't control yourself. is he still on the jaylen brown track like you were claiming a couple years ago ? is that why you're so mad because you were so horribly f*cking wrong and you can't deal with the fact then chanel destroyed you in this discussion ? is that it ? here's that problem you were looking for. is this what you wanted ? the f*ck is wrong with you.

jesus.

[Reign23]

this thread is something whats wrong with you guys?

[Guano]

I think it's weird to not talk about rj when discussing the current Knicks. He played an integral role in getting here.
He isn't the dad who abandoned us or the dead child thats too painful to discuss.

What I find so interesting with us fans is how some of us pick and choose which player we give patience and grace.

Some of us piled on melo and rode hard for kp. some of us gave Randle more slack for his playoff woes and toxic attitude and couldn't stand rjs inconsistencies and being inefficient and lack of effort on D and lacl of athleticism and being Canadian.

I can 'preciate what Randle has brought to this franchise. Even if he can't get over his playoff struggles he has been a catalyst in changing the culture here. We don't even get to the payoffs without him. So for that alone I fck with him.


*I reserve the right to talk sht about him if/when he chokes in the playoffs again. I need an outlet for my emotions.

[robillionaire]

Does a team in 4th place on a 5 game win streak even have a problem

[thebuzzardman]

Randle buys puppies and kittens by the gross and drowns them 12 at a time

[Guano]

Does a team in 4th place on a 5 game win streak even have a problem

When you're the Knicks - yes - it's fans.

we are the best and worst

[robillionaire]

play the victim ? it's just annoying. it's not that serious man. ok. why don't you relax.

If it's not that serious, then shut the f*ck up about it already

It's just as annoying to go into any thread and read pages on pages of you guys whining.

i stopped talking about him actually but now i'm gonna talk about him all the time. ok you weirdo. this is why you're not the mod here anymore i guess. you can't control yourself. is he still on the jaylen brown track like you were claiming a couple years ago ? is that why you're so mad because you were so horribly f*cking wrong and you can't deal with the fact then chanel destroyed you in this discussion ? is that it ? here's that problem you were looking for. is this what you wanted ? the f*ck is wrong with you.

Ooooooooooooooo spicy

Glad I read the whole thread

[thebuzzardman]

If it's not that serious, then shut the f*ck up about it already

It's just as annoying to go into any thread and read pages on pages of you guys whining.

i stopped talking about him actually but now i'm gonna talk about him all the time. ok you weirdo. this is why you're not the mod here anymore i guess. you can't control yourself. is he still on the jaylen brown track like you were claiming a couple years ago ? is that why you're so mad because you were so horribly f*cking wrong and you can't deal with the fact then chanel destroyed you in this discussion ? is that it ? here's that problem you were looking for. is this what you wanted ? the f*ck is wrong with you.

Ooooooooooooooo spicy

Glad I read the whole thread

Awful people on here. When everyone should be uniting around a hatred of Brunson and Randle.

[Stannis]

Does a team in 4th place on a 5 game win streak even have a problem

4th to 8th is basically a tie right now. We could easily drop to # 8 over a few nights and be stuck in the play-in.

[Stannis]

Awful people on here. When everyone should be uniting around a hatred of Brunson and Randle.

Do people really hate Brunson around here?

Unlike Randle, he carried the Knicks in the PO.