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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#81 » by WargamesX » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:04 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:not sure how reliable he is but if true, at least we know the knicks don't want to give up 2 picks for murray. but it makes sense the hawks want some real value in return since they gave up 4 picks for him.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#82 » by stuporman » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:05 pm

I's rather have KAT and his overrated ass at $50mil than spin cycle at any price...
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#83 » by cgf » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:13 pm

jstudabaka wrote:Does anyone have interest in DeRozan, or would he operate in Brunson and Randle’s space too much?


I think he would get in their way too much unless he accepted the RJ role. Getting to start, but just spacing for Brundle before checking out early so he can run the 2nd unit, and not closing most games.

DDR doesn't like shooting 3s, but he's not bad at them. He just won't chose to take 3s if you let him dribble out of them. So as a C&S guy next to Brundle, he could space the floor well, and he could wreck most 2nd units. He's a bad defender but wouldn't cripple us...especially if Mitch came back.

Although given Julius's playoff history, bringing DeMar in might not be the best solution :lol:
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#84 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:16 pm

anyone who wants KAT probably never picked up a basketball in their life
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#85 » by cgf » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:21 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:not sure how reliable he is but if true, at least we know the knicks don't want to give up 2 picks for murray. but it makes sense the hawks want some real value in return since they gave up 4 picks for him.
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I was told that's not a credible source earlier...but yeah. After Windhorst confirmed we've talked to them about Murray, it sounds like we at least kicked the tires, to see if we could buy low on him.

I guess it ultimately it depends if that means two unprotected future FRPs, or just 2 FRPs. Because if our FO didn't even offer the lower of DAL/NYK FRP this spring + the WSH maybe FRP, we can assume their interest was just in the potential bargain.

But if our FO just didn't want to give up any of the picks they'd need to complete a superstar trade this summer, then they could still be very interested but just unable to pay Atlanta's price.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#86 » by cgf » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:24 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:anyone who wants KAT probably never picked up a basketball in their life


I dunno man, have you watched him this year? The dude is really defending well...chasing guys around with his nimble feet & length...and hitting a lot of big shots for Minnesota. The guy may just suck as a rim protector but have started to mature after covid wiped out half his kin.

I still dunno how much of an upgrade over Julius he'd be given how much we already lack for non-Brunson creation, but I'm becoming a believer. The way he defended Jokic in the playoffs really opened my eyes...not sure anyone has defended the Joker as well as KAT.
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Post#87 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:25 pm

stuporman wrote:I's rather have KAT and his overrated ass at $50mil than spin cycle at any price...


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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#88 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:26 pm

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stuporman wrote:I's rather have KAT and his overrated ass at $50mil than spin cycle at any price...


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Thankfully, he wouldn't be available until the offseason.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#89 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:43 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:anyone who wants KAT probably never picked up a basketball in their life


I dunno man, have you watched him this year? The dude is really defending well...chasing guys around with his nimble feet & length...and hitting a lot of big shots for Minnesota. The guy may just suck as a rim protector but have started to mature after covid wiped out half his kin.

I still dunno how much of an upgrade over Julius he'd be given how much we already lack for non-Brunson creation, but I'm becoming a believer. The way he defended Jokic in the playoffs really opened my eyes...not sure anyone has defended the Joker as well as KAT.

yeah i have been watching timberwolves games. i saw boston go at him to close out the game last week. you can't trust him.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#90 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:53 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:not sure how reliable he is but if true, at least we know the knicks don't want to give up 2 picks for murray. but it makes sense the hawks want some real value in return since they gave up 4 picks for him.
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I was told that's not a credible source earlier...but yeah. After Windhorst confirmed we've talked to them about Murray, it sounds like we at least kicked the tires, to see if we could buy low on him.

I guess it ultimately it depends if that means two unprotected future FRPs, or just 2 FRPs. Because if our FO didn't even offer the lower of DAL/NYK FRP this spring + the WSH maybe FRP, we can assume their interest was just in the potential bargain.

But if our FO just didn't want to give up any of the picks they'd need to complete a superstar trade this summer, then they could still be very interested but just unable to pay Atlanta's price.

did the hawks get 4 unprotected picks for murray or were they protected? if unprotected then i think the hawks would want 2 unprotected picks in return and it makes sense why nobody is meeting that price
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#91 » by cgf » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:03 am

If DeRozan would accept the RJ role, and the league let us flip Flynn for someone to flip for Caruso, we could turn Robinson, Fournier, Sims, Arcidiacono, Flynn, & Achiuwa into DeRozan, Caruso, Gafford, and a better 3C like Richards

Brunson | Caruso | McBride
DeRozan | DiVincenzo
Anunoby | Hart | Grimes
Randle
Hartenstein | Gafford | Richards

1. Achiuwa + Cash + 1-2 SRPs <---> Richards
2a. Flynn + Cash + 1-2 SRPs <---> Tate
2b. Tate + 24 NYK FRP <---> Caruso
3. Robinson + Sims + Arcidiacono + Fournier + WSH FRP + DAL FRP <---> DeRozan + Gafford
CHI: Robinson + Arcidiacono + DAL FRP
WSH: Fournier + Sims + WSH FRP
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#92 » by cgf » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:07 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
cgf wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:not sure how reliable he is but if true, at least we know the knicks don't want to give up 2 picks for murray. but it makes sense the hawks want some real value in return since they gave up 4 picks for him.
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I was told that's not a credible source earlier...but yeah. After Windhorst confirmed we've talked to them about Murray, it sounds like we at least kicked the tires, to see if we could buy low on him.

I guess it ultimately it depends if that means two unprotected future FRPs, or just 2 FRPs. Because if our FO didn't even offer the lower of DAL/NYK FRP this spring + the WSH maybe FRP, we can assume their interest was just in the potential bargain.

But if our FO just didn't want to give up any of the picks they'd need to complete a superstar trade this summer, then they could still be very interested but just unable to pay Atlanta's price.

did the hawks get 4 unprotected picks for murray or were they protected? if unprotected then i think the hawks would want 2 unprotected picks in return and it makes sense why nobody is meeting that price


Looks like it was 2 unprotected FRPs, 1 unprotected swap, and the protected FRP we gave them for Reddish.

Hawks receive:
• Dejounte Murray
• Jock Landale

Spurs receive:
• Danilo Gallinari
• 2023 first-round pick (via Charlotte from New York, protected)
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

https://www.nba.com/news/hawks-spurs-dejounte-murray-trade
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#93 » by KnixinSix » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:07 am

3toheadmelo wrote:not sure how reliable he is but if true, at least we know the knicks don't want to give up 2 picks for murray. but it makes sense the hawks want some real value in return since they gave up 4 picks for him.
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Reports have varied from a player worth 2 FRPs and another pick or 2FRPs . Will be interesting to see where it ends up. Because if it is only 2FRPs we are in a very good position to offer better picks than the competition.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#94 » by cgf » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:not sure how reliable he is but if true, at least we know the knicks don't want to give up 2 picks for murray. but it makes sense the hawks want some real value in return since they gave up 4 picks for him.
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Reports have varied from a player worth 2 FRPs and another pick or 2FRPs . Will be interesting to see where it ends up. Because if it is only 2FRPs we are in a very good position to offer better picks than the competition.


Again depends on the kind of picks they want. If they want unprotected future FRPs, then we are in worse shape than teams who already have their #1, because it's those picks we'll need to get someone to give us a superstar for Murray + Randle, while the Nets have extra unprotected FRPs to trade, Philly already has their superstar, and the Lakers only have the 1 unprotected FRP that they can offer.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#95 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am

cgf wrote:
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cgf wrote:
I was told that's not a credible source earlier...but yeah. After Windhorst confirmed we've talked to them about Murray, it sounds like we at least kicked the tires, to see if we could buy low on him.

I guess it ultimately it depends if that means two unprotected future FRPs, or just 2 FRPs. Because if our FO didn't even offer the lower of DAL/NYK FRP this spring + the WSH maybe FRP, we can assume their interest was just in the potential bargain.

But if our FO just didn't want to give up any of the picks they'd need to complete a superstar trade this summer, then they could still be very interested but just unable to pay Atlanta's price.

did the hawks get 4 unprotected picks for murray or were they protected? if unprotected then i think the hawks would want 2 unprotected picks in return and it makes sense why nobody is meeting that price


Looks like it was 2 unprotected FRPs, 1 unprotected swap, and the protected FRP we gave them for Reddish.

Hawks receive:
• Dejounte Murray
• Jock Landale

Spurs receive:
• Danilo Gallinari
• 2023 first-round pick (via Charlotte from New York, protected)
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

https://www.nba.com/news/hawks-spurs-dejounte-murray-trade

That’s quite the haul lol I think they’re asking for 2 unprotected picks in return since that’s like half of what they gave up
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#96 » by cgf » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:16 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
cgf wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:did the hawks get 4 unprotected picks for murray or were they protected? if unprotected then i think the hawks would want 2 unprotected picks in return and it makes sense why nobody is meeting that price


Looks like it was 2 unprotected FRPs, 1 unprotected swap, and the protected FRP we gave them for Reddish.

Hawks receive:
• Dejounte Murray
• Jock Landale

Spurs receive:
• Danilo Gallinari
• 2023 first-round pick (via Charlotte from New York, protected)
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

https://www.nba.com/news/hawks-spurs-dejounte-murray-trade

That’s quite the haul lol I think they’re asking for 2 unprotected picks in return since that’s like half of what they gave up


Yeah, there's a reason people make jokes about selling Murray being the one good move the spurs have made in the past 5 years :lol:

Atlanta really misjudged things after that ECF run and gave up way too much for the completely wrong guy.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#97 » by KnixinSix » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:16 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:not sure how reliable he is but if true, at least we know the knicks don't want to give up 2 picks for murray. but it makes sense the hawks want some real value in return since they gave up 4 picks for him.
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They should do it. We have so many draft picks. Stop fronting. :nonono:


If the price is really that low it really is a no brainer with our surplus of picks.
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Re: 2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3 

Post#98 » by KnixinSix » Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:23 am

cgf wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
cgf wrote:
Looks like it was 2 unprotected FRPs, 1 unprotected swap, and the protected FRP we gave them for Reddish.

Hawks receive:
• Dejounte Murray
• Jock Landale

Spurs receive:
• Danilo Gallinari
• 2023 first-round pick (via Charlotte from New York, protected)
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick

https://www.nba.com/news/hawks-spurs-dejounte-murray-trade

That’s quite the haul lol I think they’re asking for 2 unprotected picks in return since that’s like half of what they gave up


Yeah, there's a reason people make jokes about selling Murray being the one good move the spurs have made in the past 5 years :lol:

Atlanta really misjudged things after that ECF run and gave up way too much for the completely wrong guy.


Or more likely they are just terribly coached and/or Murray is not the type of guy who should be playing next to a ball dominant PG that can't play off ball much.
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