Around the NBA - Continued... more still

[The Lamma]

Sengun balling out of his mind the last two games

[thisiskoz]

I think it's less about the pace and intensity of the game and more about "overclocking" players (or "tuning" players, if you speak car better than computer). Pushing components to their limit increases the likelihood of failure.

And while I'm at it, it's important to know that "increased chance of" is a one way street. Just because you're overclocking, doesn't mean that's why a given component failed. There's a wide array of possibilities for reasons it failed. This is even more true when you don't know the true tolerance of the part, like with the case of any given human body.

[FrozenEnvelope]

All these injuries to players playing different roles and amount of minutes proves Bluntson and the others who blame everything on the amount of minutes played for injuries were wrong as always. Injuries are random and can happen to ANY player. The number of minutes have little to no impact. These are professional athletes who are monitored on a daily basis and if any activity increased a risk of injury, they simply wouldn't play. UNLESS it was worth the risk in a playoff game and even then it would need to be approved by doctors, the HC, the GM, the agent and the player himself.

It is all about risk management. Of course there is no guarantee of not having injury if you are not playing high amount of minutes. You could have an injury first game of the season in the first quarter and end up being out for the whole season. Remember McDyess?

And the problem with Thibs is not only about total minutes. It is also about how he manages minutes. Players playing whole quarters and sometimes even whole halves can not be good. Nor keeping your starters in when the other team already accept the defeat and put the benchwarmers in (those bench players are more motivated to show themselves and get more physical against starters).

Don't bother bro. People use zero context or facts when discussing this. Thibs law firm just talks sideways and keeps ignoring simple facts. The list is long enough and the examples are more than enough to prove Thibs is a maniac.

A guy playing +36 minutes and not sitting out games does not mean he's bound to get injured so your whole argument makes no sense and these latest injuries proved you dead wrong. Bet you think Hart, Precious and Deuce are bound to get hurt because of the increased of minutes the last few weeks. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!

[sol537]

I think utilizing your bench more (see Indy, but not to that extreme) to conserve your starters and then tossing in a rest day here and there on back to backs for starters (not at an extreme level but perhaps 1 starter sits every second of a back to back)... is the way to minimize injury risk a bit.

[thisiskoz]

It is all about risk management. Of course there is no guarantee of not having injury if you are not playing high amount of minutes. You could have an injury first game of the season in the first quarter and end up being out for the whole season. Remember McDyess?

And the problem with Thibs is not only about total minutes. It is also about how he manages minutes. Players playing whole quarters and sometimes even whole halves can not be good. Nor keeping your starters in when the other team already accept the defeat and put the benchwarmers in (those bench players are more motivated to show themselves and get more physical against starters).

Don't bother bro. People use zero context or facts when discussing this. Thibs law firm just talks sideways and keeps ignoring simple facts. The list is long enough and the examples are more than enough to prove Thibs is a maniac.

A guy playing +36 minutes and not sitting out games does not mean he's bound to get injured so your whole argument makes no sense and these latest injuries proved you dead wrong. Bet you think Hart, Precious and Deuce are bound to get hurt because of the increased of minutes the last few weeks. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!

It took 10 years of playing over 46 minutes a game before Wilt had his first major injury. Almost like while there is correlation between minutes played and injury risk, there's not really any direct causation between a specific number of minutes played and any given injury.

[The Lamma]

More on Sengun. Watched Hou vs OKC recently and there were about 4 times during the game where he would be holding the ball from midrange, then sneak up a shot from off his shoulder practically flatfooted. The defender was never prepared for it, because Alpy never gathered to shoot.

Iirc he hit 3 of 4 shots this way. The best example in this vid of the form of the shot is the one he takes at 2:03. One of those shots vs OKC was from the baseline about 8 feet away and it looked like he didn't leave his feet at all. Or just barely. Sht is sneaky as hell and effective

Watch on YouTube

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[ScienceOfLosing]

Don't bother bro. People use zero context or facts when discussing this. Thibs law firm just talks sideways and keeps ignoring simple facts. The list is long enough and the examples are more than enough to prove Thibs is a maniac.

A guy playing +36 minutes and not sitting out games does not mean he's bound to get injured so your whole argument makes no sense and these latest injuries proved you dead wrong. Bet you think Hart, Precious and Deuce are bound to get hurt because of the increased of minutes the last few weeks. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!

It took 10 years of playing over 46 minutes a game before Wilt had his first major injury. Almost like while there is correlation between minutes played and injury risk, there's not really any direct causation between a specific number of minutes played and any given injury.

Wow, using one of the best human specimens to have ever played basketball as your proof of no correlation between minutes and injury???

Almost all of our starters have been injured and a few for a decent amount of time.
I do think our physical style is partly to blame, which is why Thibs needs to use the bench more.
What we are seeing is a known Thibs thing.

Derek Rose has entered the chat.

[Wildcat]

There are more injuries in the nba than ever before. The pace of the game might be pushing the limits of the human body.

That's exactly what I've been saying for some time now. I'm not sure if the topic was touched on during the latest CBA by the NBPA, but I'm shocked there wasn't some foresight on it. If they're not going to cut the number of games -- which I'm fine with -- they really should have added another 2 weeks to the regular season. The pace is insane. This isn't 2K.

[FrozenEnvelope]

A guy playing +36 minutes and not sitting out games does not mean he's bound to get injured so your whole argument makes no sense and these latest injuries proved you dead wrong. Bet you think Hart, Precious and Deuce are bound to get hurt because of the increased of minutes the last few weeks. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!

It took 10 years of playing over 46 minutes a game before Wilt had his first major injury. Almost like while there is correlation between minutes played and injury risk, there's not really any direct causation between a specific number of minutes played and any given injury.

Wow, using one of the best human specimens to have ever played basketball as your proof of no correlation between minutes and injury???

Almost all of our starters have been injured and a few for a decent amount of time.
I do think our physical style is partly to blame, which is why Thibs needs to use the bench more.
What we are seeing is a known Thibs thing.

Derek Rose has entered the chat.

What about Mikal? AC Green? Jordan played all 82 games multiple season and played a lot of minutes. Guys like Rose were going to get hurt no matter what. See TMac, Grant Hill, ect. Some guys just have bad luck and are injury prone. You just have zero proof Rose or any player got hurt because of the amount of minutes he played.

[Jalen Bluntson]

It is all about risk management. Of course there is no guarantee of not having injury if you are not playing high amount of minutes. You could have an injury first game of the season in the first quarter and end up being out for the whole season. Remember McDyess?

And the problem with Thibs is not only about total minutes. It is also about how he manages minutes. Players playing whole quarters and sometimes even whole halves can not be good. Nor keeping your starters in when the other team already accept the defeat and put the benchwarmers in (those bench players are more motivated to show themselves and get more physical against starters).

Don't bother bro. People use zero context or facts when discussing this. Thibs law firm just talks sideways and keeps ignoring simple facts. The list is long enough and the examples are more than enough to prove Thibs is a maniac.

A guy playing +36 minutes and not sitting out games does not mean he's bound to get injured so your whole argument makes no sense and these latest injuries proved you dead wrong. Bet you think Hart, Precious and Deuce are bound to get hurt because of the increased of minutes the last few weeks. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!

What argument? Because whatever your lying about in this post I never said.

I am done with the discussion. You go ask iHart how his achilles feels and get back to me. Go ask Josh Hart how his knee felt before the break. Ask Donte how his hammy felt. Precious and Deuce are the only two rotation players that haven't missed time the entire season.

[FrozenEnvelope]

There are more injuries in the nba than ever before. The pace of the game might be pushing the limits of the human body.

That's exactly what I've been saying for some time now. I'm not sure if the topic was touched on during the latest CBA by the NBPA, but I'm shocked there wasn't some foresight on it. If they're not going to cut the number of games -- which I'm fine with -- they really should have added another 2 weeks to the regular season. The pace is insane. This isn't 2K.

Guess it would help a little to extend the season and maybe have an extra week off after the All-Star break but then again, they have been playing the same amount of games and this schedule for decades. Players, and some fans, need to stop being soft and stop complaining. These guys get paid a lot of money and have the best trainers, nutritionists and doctors. Some even use that silly 'load management' bs and sit out games they can play. If the guys in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s did it, so can today's players.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Not that this matters at all but looks like Ben Simmons is out for the season too.

Fun fact: The Nets waived the right to conduct a physical before agreeing to trade him for James Harden.

What a well run and cool organization they've got over there in brooklyn.

[MrDollarBills]

Not that this matters at all but looks like Ben Simmons is out for the season too.

Fun fact: The Nets waived the right to conduct a physical before agreeing to trade him for James Harden.

What a well run and cool organization they've got over there in brooklyn.

It's a disaster.

[jvsimonetti0514]

There are more injuries in the nba than ever before. The pace of the game might be pushing the limits of the human body.

same thing with baseball pitcher now too. The amount of torque they put on their elbows now is insane cuz they're throwing so much harder. It's possible that we might not be able to get any bigger or stronger and faster.

[MrDollarBills]

There are more injuries in the nba than ever before. The pace of the game might be pushing the limits of the human body.

same thing with baseball pitcher now too. The amount of torque they put on their elbows now is insane cuz they're throwing so much harder. It's possible that we might not be able to get any bigger or stronger and faster.

This was the first thing i thought of. The body just isn't made to sustain certain activities over a length of time and athletes continue to push the envelope further and further. Eventually a wall is going to be hit.

[ScienceOfLosing]

It took 10 years of playing over 46 minutes a game before Wilt had his first major injury. Almost like while there is correlation between minutes played and injury risk, there's not really any direct causation between a specific number of minutes played and any given injury.

Wow, using one of the best human specimens to have ever played basketball as your proof of no correlation between minutes and injury???

Almost all of our starters have been injured and a few for a decent amount of time.
I do think our physical style is partly to blame, which is why Thibs needs to use the bench more.
What we are seeing is a known Thibs thing.

Derek Rose has entered the chat.

What about Mikal? AC Green? Jordan played all 82 games multiple season and played a lot of minutes. Guys like Rose were going to get hurt no matter what. See TMac, Grant Hill, ect. Some guys just have bad luck and are injury prone. You just have zero proof Rose or any player got hurt because of the amount of minutes he played.

I guess we just have bad luck again and again with this coach and injuries. Just continual coincidences.
And stop picking iron men as your examples.

[Galvationknicks]

Read on Twitter

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smh

Whelp, that’s the end of the KAT rumors.

This obviously Thibs fault

[Jeff Van Gully]

All these injuries to players playing different roles and amount of minutes proves Bluntson and the others who blame everything on the amount of minutes played for injuries were wrong as always. Injuries are random and can happen to ANY player. The number of minutes have little to no impact. These are professional athletes who are monitored on a daily basis and if any activity increased a risk of injury, they simply wouldn't play. UNLESS it was worth the risk in a playoff game and even then it would need to be approved by doctors, the HC, the GM, the agent and the player himself.

It is all about risk management. Of course there is no guarantee of not having injury if you are not playing high amount of minutes. You could have an injury first game of the season in the first quarter and end up being out for the whole season. Remember McDyess?

And the problem with Thibs is not only about total minutes. It is also about how he manages minutes. Players playing whole quarters and sometimes even whole halves can not be good. Nor keeping your starters in when the other team already accept the defeat and put the benchwarmers in (those bench players are more motivated to show themselves and get more physical against starters).

Don't bother bro. People use zero context or facts when discussing this. Thibs law firm just talks sideways and keeps ignoring simple facts. The list is long enough and the examples are more than enough to prove Thibs is a maniac.

Spoiler:

As much as I flip out about minutes, I know the last two or three games he did play some of the bench guys more minutes than he was during that injury riddled stretch. Cutting Deuce was still stupid but, I have to hope he he realizes we can't sustain the long haul burning out the starters.

We need to preserve iHart from here out. All of the starters need a reduction in mpg honestly. He needs to find that balance. 40-44 mpg every night is ridiculous. 35-38 is where the hard line needs to be. Tighten it up in the playoffs of you want but, even then he needs to learn to play the matchups/hot hand more than his cookie cutter habits. We have depth that he needs to trust more.

It really is my only major issue with him. It drives me to close to the edge at times but, when players are dropping like flies it's hard not to be upset about it. His offense is is weak and the lack of respect for 3pt shooters on defense can be maddening at times but, he gets enough wins to overlook it when the team is full strength.

Hopefully tonight we can pull off a miracle because, I hate losing!!!

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-player-with-most-minutes-per-game

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-player-with-most-minutes-per-game-january-2024

some games they go long. we like winning and have tried to win some games shorthanded lately. but it is not even mathematically possible for the state of things to be as you say.

From the offices of Jeffrey Van Gully, Esq. "If the numbers do not fit, you must quit."

No.

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simple facts willfully ignored by the prosecution.

[spree2kawhi]

There are more injuries in the nba than ever before. The pace of the game might be pushing the limits of the human body.

Watching games recently, the level of play is unbelievable. It’s already inhuman anyway.

[thisiskoz]

A guy playing +36 minutes and not sitting out games does not mean he's bound to get injured so your whole argument makes no sense and these latest injuries proved you dead wrong. Bet you think Hart, Precious and Deuce are bound to get hurt because of the increased of minutes the last few weeks. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!!

It took 10 years of playing over 46 minutes a game before Wilt had his first major injury. Almost like while there is correlation between minutes played and injury risk, there's not really any direct causation between a specific number of minutes played and any given injury.

Wow, using one of the best human specimens to have ever played basketball as your proof of no correlation between minutes and injury???

Almost all of our starters have been injured and a few for a decent amount of time.
I do think our physical style is partly to blame, which is why Thibs needs to use the bench more.
What we are seeing is a known Thibs thing.

Derek Rose has entered the chat.

It's ironic that you don't realize you're making my point for me.

You confuse correlation with causation here. I did say there is correlation between minutes played and injury risk. But by pointing out Wilt's uniqueness, you correctly assert that minutes played isn't the sole factor in injury risk and there can be mitigating circumstances that supersede minutes played. Simply put, players are built differently. They also play differently. You bring up Derrick Rose who had a play style that increased his injury risk, specifically risk of knee injury. He even talked about this post ACL. Did Thibs play him too much? Was it his play style? Both? You can't know. Or how about an injury to Zion? Would an injury be due to minutes? Play style? Body type? There's a ton of factors.