More Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[aggo]

what hollinger wrote about the aprons and parity today.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5525723/2024/06/02/is-the-nba-in-the-middle-of-a-new-age-of-parity-or-is-it-about-to-exit-one/

Guys like Markenen, DeJounte and Bridges. All contracts under 25M a year are going to have even greater value now. This is why it surprised me we didn't give up two picks for DeJounte Murray. He is locked up at 25M a year for the next 3 years.

Think DeJounte would have made a HUGE difference in the playoffs personally especially when we had all those injuries.

I really don't Dejounte as a good fit next to brunson. He hasn't been a good fit next to high usage guard like Brunson...and he hasn't been an impactful defender. Not sure he's willing to take an off ball backseat role to Brunson and not sure he does the off ball stuff we would need from that roll.

Markenen and Bridges make more sense just don't know what it would take to get either from Utah or the Nets respectively.

Murray sucks next to brunson because he's a high volume low efficiency player.


brunson is already high volume


randle is already high volume


Lauri is a fit next to brunson because he's a low volume high efficiency guy that can c+s on top of any defender.


but

while he';s an upgrade over randle, he's not a 4frps + randle upgrade.

[lloydj]

he don't even have giddey as part of the rotation after. he's 3rd string. so why did you trade for him ?

this thread is always the worst. no offense but 90 percent of the ideas in here are just terrible.

Another talker who does not know basketball. Giddy can play 4 position on the court, I have him in three. Deuce and Burke will not play before Giddy. Son!, use your brain for good, not bad quotes.

giddy can play 1 position. He doesn’t defend well enough to shoot well enough to be anything other than a distributer

Giddy is 22 year old, 6' 8" 203 lbs. and just what we need in a distributing Point-Shooting Guard or Point-Small Forward (Three position player). Bojan Bogdanovic was a not good defender either and will not be on this team next season. The last time I saw Giddy in New York, he lite the Knicks up 16 points, 13 rebounds, 12 assists and 2 blocks. Giddy can start or come of the bench for this team, when called upon.

[mpharris36]

Another talker who does not know basketball. Giddy can play 4 position on the court, I have him in three. Deuce and Burke will not play before Giddy. Son!, use your brain for good, not bad quotes.

giddy can play 1 position. He doesn’t defend well enough to shoot well enough to be anything other than a distributer

Giddy is 22 year old, 6' 8" 203 lbs. and just what we need in a distributing Point-Shooting Guard or Point-Small Forward (Three position player). Bojan Bogdanovic was a not good defender either and will not be on this team next season. The last time I saw Giddy in New York, he lite the Knicks up 16 points, 13 rebounds, 12 assists and 2 blocks. Giddy can start or come of the bench for this team, when called upon.

no

[thebuzzardman]

Apparently the Knicks won't have enough money to do anything. Very sad. Treadmill

[KnixinSix]

what hollinger wrote about the aprons and parity today.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5525723/2024/06/02/is-the-nba-in-the-middle-of-a-new-age-of-parity-or-is-it-about-to-exit-one/

Guys like Markenen, DeJounte and Bridges. All contracts under 25M a year are going to have even greater value now. This is why it surprised me we didn't give up two picks for DeJounte Murray. He is locked up at 25M a year for the next 3 years.

Think DeJounte would have made a HUGE difference in the playoffs personally especially when we had all those injuries.

I really don't Dejounte as a good fit next to brunson. He hasn't been a good fit next to high usage guard like Brunson...and he hasn't been an impactful defender. Not sure he's willing to take an off ball backseat role to Brunson and not sure he does the off ball stuff we would need from that roll.

Markenen and Bridges make more sense just don't know what it would take to get either from Utah or the Nets respectively.

Markenen at only 18M could work while keeping Randle.

Mitchell for 9th pick and Luke Kennard (Kennard has actually ball handled and played point for Memphis)


McBride, Bogdanovic and 9th pick, 24th pick this year and 1-2 additional FRPs for Markenen

IHart, Markenen, Achiwa
Randle, Markenen
OG, Hart
Divo, Hart, Kennard
Brunson, Kennard

[Juco24]

Knicks Trade: Mitchell Robinson ($15,681,81, $14,318,182, $12,954,546)

OKC Trade: Josh Giddy ($6,587,040, $8,352,367, $11,142,057) & Jaylin Williams ($2,000,000.00,& $2,019, 000.00)

Brunson/Deuce/Giddy/?
Devi/Hart/Burke/Giddy
O.G./Hart/Giddy/Burke
Randall/O.G./Hart/Precious
IHart/ Free Agent or Draft Center /Precious/Sims

second time you posted this bum ass trade lol

he don't even have giddey as part of the rotation after. he's 3rd string. so why did you trade for him ?

this thread is always the worst. no offense but 99 percent of the ideas in here are just terrible.

Fixed

[sol537]

Giddey was one of the worst playoff performers this year… he was unplayable. And you want to add him to this squad of dawgs? Get outta here

[movingon]

They got bogs $$$ to use in a future trade...would be a pretty worthless trade to lose his tradable salary.

At this point, that contract will only be useful if they don't manage to retain OG and IHart.
Otherwise, they're dropping Bogey off.

[mpharris36]

They got bogs $$$ to use in a future trade...would be a pretty worthless trade to lose his tradable salary.

At this point, that contract will only be useful if they don't manage to retain OG and IHart.
Otherwise, they're dropping Bogey off.

I disagree if they want to make a major trade in the offseason he's the most obvious tradable salary because I don't see them trading Hart or DD. And they OG and Ihart wont be eligable for a trade.

So that would basically just like mitch and or randle to aggregate any salary. You also wouldn't gain much for losing Bogey either since we already are over the cap.

The only thing I guess would be potentially the use of the MLE if we like a player more than bogey.

[Bob Ross]

We needed more shooting. Giddy is the opposite of that

[god shammgod]

lauri off the bench ? oh boy

[louisorr]

wondering if anyone has a guess how far we could move up by packaging 24 and 25. !0-15 range?

[Guano]

I don't see how any one could have watched okc and come out of that saying that what the knicks are missing is a guy who was a liability. Coupled with the fact he has a weird case.

But lets move on to the other idea emptying the chest for Bertans2.0

[mpharris36]

I don't see how any one could have watched okc and come out of that saying that what the knicks are missing is a guy who was a liability. Coupled with the fact he has a weird case.

But lets move on to the other idea emptying the chest for Bertans2.0

oof I'm not even the biggest Lauri fan but thats a rough comp

[Wildcat]

Guys like Markenen, DeJounte and Bridges. All contracts under 25M a year are going to have even greater value now. This is why it surprised me we didn't give up two picks for DeJounte Murray. He is locked up at 25M a year for the next 3 years.

Think DeJounte would have made a HUGE difference in the playoffs personally especially when we had all those injuries.

I really don't Dejounte as a good fit next to brunson. He hasn't been a good fit next to high usage guard like Brunson...and he hasn't been an impactful defender. Not sure he's willing to take an off ball backseat role to Brunson and not sure he does the off ball stuff we would need from that roll.

Markenen and Bridges make more sense just don't know what it would take to get either from Utah or the Nets respectively.

Markenen at only 18M could work while keeping Randle.

Mitchell for 9th pick and Luke Kennard (Kennard has actually ball handled and played point for Memphis)


McBride, Bogdanovic and 9th pick, 24th pick this year and 1-2 additional FRPs for Markenen

IHart, Markenen, Achiwa
Randle, Markenen
OG, Hart
Divo, Hart, Kennard
Brunson, Kennard

Markenen is in his prime. There's absolutely no way he'd be keen on coming here and come off the bench. If you trade for him, you're resigning to the fact that I-Hart isn't coming back, or I-Hart is coming off the bench (and Robinson is gone).

[HarthorneWingo]

Guys like Markenen, DeJounte and Bridges. All contracts under 25M a year are going to have even greater value now. This is why it surprised me we didn't give up two picks for DeJounte Murray. He is locked up at 25M a year for the next 3 years.

Think DeJounte would have made a HUGE difference in the playoffs personally especially when we had all those injuries.

I really don't Dejounte as a good fit next to brunson. He hasn't been a good fit next to high usage guard like Brunson...and he hasn't been an impactful defender. Not sure he's willing to take an off ball backseat role to Brunson and not sure he does the off ball stuff we would need from that roll.

Markenen and Bridges make more sense just don't know what it would take to get either from Utah or the Nets respectively.

Murray sucks next to brunson because he's a high volume low efficiency player.


brunson is already high volume


randle is already high volume


Lauri is a fit next to brunson because he's a low volume high efficiency guy that can c+s on top of any defender.


but

while he';s an upgrade over randle, he's not a 4frps + randle upgrade.

But is he an upgrade over Randle? By what metrics?

I don't think he is. Randle was on his way to be All-NBA for the third time this past season if he didn't get hurt.

[nyk2017]

I can't believe there are no real rumors other than this Charlotte rando who is probably just making stuff up.

[KnixinSix]

I really don't Dejounte as a good fit next to brunson. He hasn't been a good fit next to high usage guard like Brunson...and he hasn't been an impactful defender. Not sure he's willing to take an off ball backseat role to Brunson and not sure he does the off ball stuff we would need from that roll.

Markenen and Bridges make more sense just don't know what it would take to get either from Utah or the Nets respectively.

Markenen at only 18M could work while keeping Randle.

Mitchell for 9th pick and Luke Kennard (Kennard has actually ball handled and played point for Memphis)


McBride, Bogdanovic and 9th pick, 24th pick this year and 1-2 additional FRPs for Markenen

IHart, Markenen, Achiwa
Randle, Markenen
OG, Hart
Divo, Hart, Kennard
Brunson, Kennard

Markenen is in his prime. There's absolutely no way he'd be keen on coming here and come off the bench. If you trade for him, you're resigning to the fact that I-Hart isn't coming back, or I-Hart is coming off the bench (and Robinson is gone).

Minutes are the key here.

If it makes you happy



Markenen(18), I-Hart (27), Achiwa (3)
Randle(32), Markenen(16)
OG(32), Hart (16)
Divo(30), Hart(10), Kennard(8)
Brunson(35), Kennard(13)

Markenen gets 32+ minutes either way. In fact in this scenario he has the 2nd most minutes on the team.

[Richard4444]

Bogs can't be traded with other players????

If we go over the 2nd tax apron. I think there is a possibility we go over the 2nd arpon if we resign OG and Ihart to large deals and keep everyone else.

cap is $144 mil tax is $172 mil, first apron is $178, second apron is $188

6 players who are guaranteed for next season make $103, add in $54mil for OG + ihart, lets say that 8 players make $157

with bogs($19), precious ($6), draft picks #25/#26 ($6), that's 12 players making $188
fill out the roster and you easily end up over the 2nd apron.

I still believe we can find a way to not waive Bojan and still keep us out of the second apron.

I think we may trade FRPs in a deal using Bojan as a filler.

Another option is trading the FRPs for future FRPs or second rounds.

An alternative is to trade Mitch Robinson for a cheaper backup Center.

I think we may let Precious walk if we can not have him for the minimum (with a promise of a higher contract with bird rights in 2025).

We also can get some red-shirt rookies to complete the roster earning the rookie minimum (1,160M)

[Richard4444]

cap is $144 mil tax is $172 mil, first apron is $178, second apron is $188

6 players who are guaranteed for next season make $103, add in $54mil for OG + ihart, lets say that 8 players make $157

with bogs($19), precious ($6), draft picks #25/#26 ($6), that's 12 players making $188
fill out the roster and you easily end up over the 2nd apron.

Yeah obviously we would have to do some maneuvering. Ihart, Mitch, or Randle at least one of them is likely not to be here in the near future especially if we want to acquire another piece to the roster.

Leon could decline Bogs' final season, let Precious/Burks walk, kick all the picks forward, and sign min guys for the last ~5 slots... then utilize the MLE and still, in theory, stay under the 2nd apron. Maybe they could convince OG to do an opt-in and extend like Hart did for DDV's MLE... who knows...

1) It looks like OG extension would be limited by the 140% rule. He would get only a contract starting with a 27M in the first year. I do not believe he opt in anymore.

2) If we stay over the first apron, we can not use the full MLE. Only the tax MLE of 5M and being hard capped at the second apron until the end of the season.