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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#81 » by will » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:26 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Does that mean we have to trade Mitch? Maybe we package Mitch and the draft picks (24, 25) and move up into the lottery?

Yeah, I'm greedy now.


Might not be the worse thing either. It's proven that the Knicks cannot rely on Mitchell to stay healthy for any stretch of the season and playoffs.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#82 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:33 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Does that mean we have to trade Mitch? Maybe we package Mitch and the draft picks (24, 25) and move up into the lottery?

Yeah, I'm greedy now.


Might not be the worse thing either. It's proven that the Knicks cannot rely on Mitchell to stay healthy for any stretch of the season and playoffs.


True and yet that tandem is pretty damn good. Remember that IHart has that Achilles issue. So maybe the two-headed monster benefits both? Plus, we can throw different looks at opposing teams depending on the matchups. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#83 » by will » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:36 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:Does that mean we have to trade Mitch? Maybe we package Mitch and the draft picks (24, 25) and move up into the lottery?

Yeah, I'm greedy now.


Might not be the worse thing either. It's proven that the Knicks cannot rely on Mitchell to stay healthy for any stretch of the season and playoffs.


True and yet that tandem is pretty damn good. Remember that IHart has that Achilles issue. So maybe the two-headed monster benefits both? Plus, we can throw different looks at opposing teams depending on the matchups. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.


Yep. That Mitchell/iHart tandem is very effective. It's proven. It's just the roll of the dice with those two and their ability to stay healthy.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#84 » by RHODEY » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:39 pm

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Might not be the worse thing either. It's proven that the Knicks cannot rely on Mitchell to stay healthy for any stretch of the season and playoffs.


True and yet that tandem is pretty damn good. Remember that IHart has that Achilles issue. So maybe the two-headed monster benefits both? Plus, we can throw different looks at opposing teams depending on the matchups. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.


Yep. That Mitchell/iHart tandem is very effective. It's proven. It's just the roll of the dice with those two and their ability to stay healthy.

Or the roll of the ankle... :wink:
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#85 » by will » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:39 pm

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True and yet that tandem is pretty damn good. Remember that IHart has that Achilles issue. So maybe the two-headed monster benefits both? Plus, we can throw different looks at opposing teams depending on the matchups. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.


Yep. That Mitchell/iHart tandem is very effective. It's proven. It's just the roll of the dice with those two and their ability to stay healthy.

Or the roll of the ankle... :wink:


OOF.

That statement could be applied to both guys.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#86 » by will » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:02 am

With what Nic Claxton is getting, iHart is actually looking at a nice payday. Does he actually pass on that?

Or as a CAA client, they do something under the table to take care of iHart?
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#87 » by Polk377 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:04 am

Can we ban these bagels reports? The guy is never right about any speculative reporting.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#88 » by mugzi » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:52 am

I don’t think iharts model wife is gonna want to leave NYC for OKC for an extra 2-4 million a year and you know if they offer more money thats all it’s gonna be. OKC is notoriously and historically cheap.
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Post#89 » by Stannis » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:47 am

Is there an official number of what the Knicks can offer Harenstein now that OG has been resigned?
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#90 » by magee » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:21 am

Still 4/78 because of his specific contract and bird rights. They could sign him to a 1+1 deal and potentially offer a bigger extension, so we'll see what they try and make work before they pony up for Jalen Brunson next year.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#91 » by HopelessKnick » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:06 am

Actually the fact that the Knicks didn't pick a Center gives me a little more hope that they are confident they can make the money work for Hartenstein.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#92 » by HopelessKnick » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:09 am

will wrote:With what Nic Claxton is getting, iHart is actually looking at a nice payday. Does he actually pass on that?

Or as a CAA client, they do something under the table to take care of iHart?


I don't know man....Claxton IMO is worth 3-4 million more than Hartenstein and the Nets frankly did not care at all about a couple millions more or less. If we can indeed organize the 18mill. per year offer, that is pretty fair IMO. I don't think OKC is going to offer significantly more. Orlando to me would be even a bigger threat than OKC. I could see them offering a little more.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#93 » by will » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:03 am

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will wrote:With what Nic Claxton is getting, iHart is actually looking at a nice payday. Does he actually pass on that?

Or as a CAA client, they do something under the table to take care of iHart?


I don't know man....Claxton IMO is worth 3-4 million more than Hartenstein and the Nets frankly did not care at all about a couple millions more or less. If we can indeed organize the 18mill. per year offer, that is pretty fair IMO. I don't think OKC is going to offer significantly more. Orlando to me would be even a bigger threat than OKC. I could see them offering a little more.


It's the classic question - does the player take the payday no matter what? Or takes less to win?
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#94 » by Wildcat » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:56 am

HopelessKnick wrote:Actually the fact that the Knicks didn't pick a Center gives me a little more hope that they are confident they can make the money work for Hartenstein.


Didn't draft a Center and traded 1 of the picks saved about 3 to 4 million.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#95 » by WaltFrazier » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:15 pm

Wildcat wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:Actually the fact that the Knicks didn't pick a Center gives me a little more hope that they are confident they can make the money work for Hartenstein.


Didn't draft a Center and traded 1 of the picks saved about 3 to 4 million.


Complicated stuff but hopefully this works to retain iHart:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nba/the-knicks-draft-day-trades-seemed-to-be-aimed-at-trying-to-keep-isaiah-hartenstein-in-free-agency/ar-BB1oXTzk?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=77bef7601c3e45aaa70927de6638c507&ei=27


This part I really don't get, I thought second apron was a bad thing:

Now, the Knicks' big hurdle is to find a way to add money to the Bridges trade, which has not been complete yet and which could move the Knicks from a first apron team to a second apron team. If they become a second apron team, their spending ceiling increases, and they will have more available money to offer Hartenstein their max.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#96 » by Wildcat » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:35 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:Actually the fact that the Knicks didn't pick a Center gives me a little more hope that they are confident they can make the money work for Hartenstein.


Didn't draft a Center and traded 1 of the picks saved about 3 to 4 million.


Complicated stuff but hopefully this works to retain iHart:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nba/the-knicks-draft-day-trades-seemed-to-be-aimed-at-trying-to-keep-isaiah-hartenstein-in-free-agency/ar-BB1oXTzk?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=77bef7601c3e45aaa70927de6638c507&ei=27

This part I really don't get, I thought second apron was a bad thing:

Now, the Knicks' big hurdle is to find a way to add money to the Bridges trade, which has not been complete yet and which could move the Knicks from a first apron team to a second apron team. If they become a second apron team, their spending ceiling increases, and they will have more available money to offer Hartenstein their max.


It's all about being hard capped to that 1st apron. If you're confident in your team -- i.e., T-Wolves and Warriors -- and your core is signed for a fair amount of time, which on the Knicks they are, then you can deal with the luxury penalties and limited maneuverability.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#97 » by robillionaire » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:47 pm

Wildcat wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:Actually the fact that the Knicks didn't pick a Center gives me a little more hope that they are confident they can make the money work for Hartenstein.


Didn't draft a Center and traded 1 of the picks saved about 3 to 4 million.


The draft isn’t over
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Post#98 » by Wildcat » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:57 pm

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Wildcat wrote:
HopelessKnick wrote:Actually the fact that the Knicks didn't pick a Center gives me a little more hope that they are confident they can make the money work for Hartenstein.


Didn't draft a Center and traded 1 of the picks saved about 3 to 4 million.


The draft isn’t over


What C is being drafted in the 2nd round that's legitimately going to be a in a rotation?
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#99 » by Kampuchea » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:07 pm

Wildcat wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Didn't draft a Center and traded 1 of the picks saved about 3 to 4 million.


The draft isn’t over


What C is being drafted in the 2nd round that's legitimately going to be a in a rotation?


Mitch, Ihart and Sims were all drafted in the second.
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Re: Begley: Unlikely Knicks to Retain Hartenstein 

Post#100 » by robillionaire » Thu Jun 27, 2024 1:07 pm

Wildcat wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
Didn't draft a Center and traded 1 of the picks saved about 3 to 4 million.


The draft isn’t over


What C is being drafted in the 2nd round that's legitimately going to be a in a rotation?


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