Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[Jeffrey]

We can pretty much afford vet minimum ring chasers are this point... give me a few names that y'all would like to see?

Kyle Lowry?
Taj Gibson
Ryan Arcidiacono
Jeff Green
Alec Burks?
Gallinar?

[Knick4Real]

To keep OG, iHart, and Robinson... we'd likely have to trade all our picks this year and let Precious (and Burks) walk. I'm not opposed to kicking the picks forward if it means we can retain all three guys.

I've said it a few times and will say it again: the way the new rules are structured, it's extremely likely we will need to move Julius. The league no longer wants teams loaded with multiple stars (or players being paid as "stars"). That would be us with Brunson, Bridges, OG, and possibly iHart. Also, with the addition of Mikal, there won't be enough shots for everyone.

Prepare yourself for the possibility that the KNICKS may have no other financial choice but to move on from Julius.

Knicks can run this core with Randle this season and next... then they may have to make tough decisions on a guy like Randle. Not there yet... Let's win one in this 2 year window first.

You may be missing the point.

Depending on the number we have to pay to keep OG, we may not be able to afford to keep Julius NOW due to the new CBA. 7-8 of our guys already take us near or up to the apron penalty. This is BEFORE paying to fill out a full roster.

No longer can teams just pay a tax and do whatever they want. The league is freezing teams at a certain number with no choice but to lose salary. Mitch and Julius are very likely on the block.

[Knick4Real]

Any way we can still keep IHart?

Because we only have his early bird rights, we're limited to around $16 million to retain him. He's expected to receive offers well above that. So, he'll have to decide if he wants a huge payday or staying with the KNICKS.

[Wildcat]

I like Jalen. I have no idea why, but I just do. But I think you need to look at that 3 point jump and apply some critical thinking. Was last season's 3 point shot a fluke? He couldn't beat out Toppin. Is his defense worse than his?

[HarthorneWingo]

Any way we can still keep IHart?

Because we only have his early bird rights, we're limited to around $16 million to retain him. He's expected to receive offers well above that. So, he'll have to decide if he wants a huge payday or staying with the KNICKS.

I thought that we already heard that he was willing to take the 4/$72M.

[R-DAWG]

But we still somehow won the series with Mitch injured

Embiid is a great player, at best he can be slowed down a little bit. Mitch does as good a job slowing him down as one can hope but not reliable to be available when we might need him either. Like seriously what are the odds if we face Philly in the playoffs again that Mitch will even be able to play? 50% 40%?

To keep OG, iHart, and Robinson... we'd likely have to trade all our picks this year and let Precious (and Burks) walk. I'm not opposed to kicking the picks forward if it means we can retain all three guys.

I've said it a few times and will say it again: the way the new rules are structured, it's extremely likely we will need to move Julius. The league no longer wants teams loaded with multiple stars (or players being paid as "stars"). That would be us with Brunson, Bridges, OG, and possibly iHart. Also, with the addition of Mikal, there won't be enough shots for everyone.

Prepare yourself for the possibility that the KNICKS may have no other financial choice but to move on from Julius.

This has been my concern with how this team is being built. It's a very expensive team, without much room for growth as most of the guys are in their primes. And now very few trade assets.

[El Poochio]

Wtf go get Sengun

[KnixinSix]

Randle, Mitch and McBride equal right about 50M. I like the team right now but Memphis seems to want to shake up their team a bit and we can always improve.

I don't know if it works under the new CBA but....

Randle, Mitch and McBride and 2-3 FRPs for JJJ and Marcus Smart

Goga, JJJ, Achiuwa
JJJ, OG, Hart
OG, Bridges, Hart
Bridges, Divo, Hart
Brunson, Smart

[spree2kawhi]

But we still somehow won the series with Mitch injured

Embiid is a great player, at best he can be slowed down a little bit. Mitch does as good a job slowing him down as one can hope but not reliable to be available when we might need him either. Like seriously what are the odds if we face Philly in the playoffs again that Mitch will even be able to play? 50% 40%?

To keep OG, iHart, and Robinson... we'd likely have to trade all our picks this year and let Precious (and Burks) walk. I'm not opposed to kicking the picks forward if it means we can retain all three guys.

I've said it a few times and will say it again: the way the new rules are structured, it's extremely likely we will need to move Julius. The league no longer wants teams loaded with multiple stars (or players being paid as "stars"). That would be us with Brunson, Bridges, OG, and possibly iHart. Also, with the addition of Mikal, there won't be enough shots for everyone.

Prepare yourself for the possibility that the KNICKS may have no other financial choice but to move on from Julius.

If Randle is traded, it’s along with Mitch for a player with even more salary.

[spree2kawhi]

Donte is a sixth man now but I love this shoot you to death lineup too:

Brunson
DDV
Bridges
OG
Randle

What a f*ing team! If OG is injured again, we’re still loaded.

Is the percieved reluctance to using Randle as a small ball 5 more Thibs wanting a Rim Protector or Randle not wanting to be a 5 at all?

I think Thibs wants a legit 7 footer. He will play Randle at the 5 and he did last year. However, that was a sh.itshow.

BTW, Randle slimmed down last year because he wanted to be agile to attack the rim. Not sure if he will put on the weight that he did a few years ago.

I was talking about 5 minutes. 3 at the end of games and then some.

[spree2kawhi]

Wtf go get Sengun

This would be too much for me lol

[KnixinSix]

To keep OG, iHart, and Robinson... we'd likely have to trade all our picks this year and let Precious (and Burks) walk. I'm not opposed to kicking the picks forward if it means we can retain all three guys.

I've said it a few times and will say it again: the way the new rules are structured, it's extremely likely we will need to move Julius. The league no longer wants teams loaded with multiple stars (or players being paid as "stars"). That would be us with Brunson, Bridges, OG, and possibly iHart. Also, with the addition of Mikal, there won't be enough shots for everyone.

Prepare yourself for the possibility that the KNICKS may have no other financial choice but to move on from Julius.

If Randle is traded, it’s along with Mitch for a player with even more salary.

I was getting into it on the other thread but it might be better served here:

Randle, Mitch , McBride is an extremely strong package for a team looking to beef up their front court with more rugged players .....the picks will not need to be crazy good potentially.

Personally I love the fit of Randle over there in Memphis, he may add more value than JJJ esp when paired with Mitch Rob. McBride is an incredible defensive combo guard to back up Bane and Ja. They wanted a better rim protector than Jonas and Mitch is exactly that.

The fit actually makes a lot of sense on both sides. We need a better ball handling 1, Smart is that type of player more than McBride.

[JayTWill]

I would definitely trade Mitch and try to pick up someone like Goga as a replacement if iHart could be retained. Mitch has added size which has helped in his matchups against Embiid but that added size also hurts him in so many other areas. I doubt it makes him less injury prone. He doesn't guard in space as well as he did when he was lighter. His rim protection has declined imo and somehow his offensive efficiency has cratered in the last 2 years despite only taking shots within 3 feet of the rim. We don't even have a ballhandler that can take advantage of him as a rim runner in the pick and roll,

His overall game and health could benefit from him losing weight. He is still a beast on the boards and he can still rack up some fouls on the opposing team but I wouldn't keep him and his weight around just for a situational matchup against a big with post game in a league with very few post players.

If the Knicks can gain an asset or even some financial flexibility I would have no issue moving Mitch.

[R-DAWG]

Nets are apparently still looking to trade into tonight's draft.

Maybe we amend the trade, get out 2031 pick back, and send them pick #25

[KnixinSix]

Nets are apparently still looking to trade into tonight's draft.

Maybe we amend the trade, get out 2031 pick back, and send them pick #25

We kept this years picks because we want a player or two that can contribute to our 'win now' team. Probably a stud defender either at wing or the 5.

[Wildcat]

I've said it a few times and will say it again: the way the new rules are structured, it's extremely likely we will need to move Julius. The league no longer wants teams loaded with multiple stars (or players being paid as "stars"). That would be us with Brunson, Bridges, OG, and possibly iHart. Also, with the addition of Mikal, there won't be enough shots for everyone.

Prepare yourself for the possibility that the KNICKS may have no other financial choice but to move on from Julius.

Knicks can run this core with Randle this season and next... then they may have to make tough decisions on a guy like Randle. Not there yet... Let's win one in this 2 year window first.

You may be missing the point.

Depending on the number we have to pay to keep OG, we may not be able to afford to keep Julius NOW due to the new CBA. 7-8 of our guys already take us near or up to the apron penalty. This is BEFORE paying to fill out a full roster.

No longer can teams just pay a tax and do whatever they want. The league is freezing teams at a certain number with no choice but to lose salary. Mitch and Julius are very likely on the block.

This doesn't effect Julius. This has been discussed in length with CBA gurus on many interviews and Podcasts since this trade. You have to keep in mind when the salary cap rises, so does the apron. If this is the team they want to field -- and let's be honest, it's pretty solid even if they lose I-Hart -- the limited maneuverability is a decision they have to be happy with.

[Wildcat]

I've said it a few times and will say it again: the way the new rules are structured, it's extremely likely we will need to move Julius. The league no longer wants teams loaded with multiple stars (or players being paid as "stars"). That would be us with Brunson, Bridges, OG, and possibly iHart. Also, with the addition of Mikal, there won't be enough shots for everyone.

Prepare yourself for the possibility that the KNICKS may have no other financial choice but to move on from Julius.

If Randle is traded, it’s along with Mitch for a player with even more salary.

I was getting into it on the other thread but it might be better served here:

Randle, Mitch , McBride is an extremely strong package for a team looking to beef up their front court with more rugged players .....the picks will not need to be crazy good potentially.

Personally I love the fit of Randle over there in Memphis, he may add more value than JJJ esp when paired with Mitch Rob. McBride is an incredible defensive combo guard to back up Bane and Ja. They wanted a better rim protector than Jonas and Mitch is exactly that.

The fit actually makes a lot of sense on both sides. We need a better ball handling 1, Smart is that type of player more than McBride.

You don't trade for Bridges and not consider that he'll handle ball handling duties -- one of his literal talents -- will function with a staggered rotation when JB is resting. This idea makes the team worse off.

[KnixinSix]

If Randle is traded, it’s along with Mitch for a player with even more salary.

I was getting into it on the other thread but it might be better served here:

Randle, Mitch , McBride is an extremely strong package for a team looking to beef up their front court with more rugged players .....the picks will not need to be crazy good potentially.

Personally I love the fit of Randle over there in Memphis, he may add more value than JJJ esp when paired with Mitch Rob. McBride is an incredible defensive combo guard to back up Bane and Ja. They wanted a better rim protector than Jonas and Mitch is exactly that.

The fit actually makes a lot of sense on both sides. We need a better ball handling 1, Smart is that type of player more than McBride.

You don't trade for Bridges and not consider that he'll handle ball handling duties -- one of his literal talents -- will function with a staggered rotation when JB is resting. This idea makes the team worse off.

I disagree with the assumption being we still get one of I Hart or Goga to complement JJJ.

JJJ can play both 4 and 5 and is a DPOY caliber player. Team would be tougher to score on than Fort Knox. Under Thibs it absolutely would make us better.

[Jeffrey]

Is the percieved reluctance to using Randle as a small ball 5 more Thibs wanting a Rim Protector or Randle not wanting to be a 5 at all?

I think Thibs wants a legit 7 footer. He will play Randle at the 5 and he did last year. However, that was a sh.itshow.

BTW, Randle slimmed down last year because he wanted to be agile to attack the rim. Not sure if he will put on the weight that he did a few years ago.

I was talking about 5 minutes. 3 at the end of games and then some.

Oh, then that's fine. Draft a rookie center and develop him.

We can just get a Drummond and let him play for 10-15 mins for the regular season. Probably won't see much minutes during playoffs.

[aggo]

Go get Lauri