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Post#81 » by TrueWarrior » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:56 pm

So if this guy does come over right away, how does that impact retaining Isaiah?

I thought the whole point of trading 1 pick and taking Pacome is it would free up money and prevent a hard cap and such.
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Post#82 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:00 pm

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Post#83 » by Wildcat » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:01 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:So if this guy does come over right away, how does that impact retaining Isaiah?

I thought the whole point of trading 1 pick and taking Pacome is it would free up money and prevent a hard cap and such.


Trading the 24th saved them 2.4 mil. Drafting this guy at 25 instead of 24 saved them .1 mil. His salary is 2.3 mil. This is one of those situations where every dollar counts. Even if he does come over, the Knicks saved 2.5 mil all together.
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Post#84 » by TrueWarrior » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:11 pm

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TrueWarrior wrote:So if this guy does come over right away, how does that impact retaining Isaiah?

I thought the whole point of trading 1 pick and taking Pacome is it would free up money and prevent a hard cap and such.


Trading the 24th saved them 2.4 mil. Drafting this guy at 25 instead of 24 saved them .1 mil. His salary is 2.3 mil. This is one of those situations where every dollar counts. Even if he does come over, the Knicks saved 2.5 mil all together.


So do we need to clear more money still then?

Makes little sense to have this kid on the team anyway taking up cap space, collecting DNPs, and just playing in Westchester for the next 2+ years. We’d be able to be a bit more hands on with his development here, but that’s about it. I’d rather him stay overseas.

I guess we’ll have all this resolved by next week.
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Post#85 » by Wildcat » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:20 pm

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TrueWarrior wrote:So if this guy does come over right away, how does that impact retaining Isaiah?

I thought the whole point of trading 1 pick and taking Pacome is it would free up money and prevent a hard cap and such.


Trading the 24th saved them 2.4 mil. Drafting this guy at 25 instead of 24 saved them .1 mil. His salary is 2.3 mil. This is one of those situations where every dollar counts. Even if he does come over, the Knicks saved 2.5 mil all together.


So do we need to clear more money still then?

Makes little sense to have this kid on the team anyway taking up cap space, collecting DNPs, and just playing in Westchester for the next 2+ years. We’d be able to be a bit more hands on with his development here, but that’s about it. I’d rather him stay overseas.

I guess we’ll have all this resolved by next week.


Yeah, it'll be resolved next week. If they convince him to stay overseas, it's another 2.4 mil saved and 5.7 total. If the Knicks end up a 2nd apron team, then this doesn't manner.
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Post#86 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:06 pm

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Post#87 » by Ghetto Gospel » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:08 pm

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Ghetto Gospel wrote:the more i think about it, if this guy was american, he would have went undrafted


So explain AJ Johnson at pick 23 who had worst stats than him and played in foreign league but is American.

If he plays in college with his on ball ability at 18.... he goes 100% in the first round potentially lottery.

There is not much difference in him and Kyshawn George.


thought about it some more and i forgot it's a weak draft. in a normal draft that would make him a second rounder which is fine..?

i just saw nothing that justifies a first round pick. almost everything about him is kind of a project which would be fine if started playing basketball late or was a plus athlete but he's been playing since he was 5.

ultimately, an average athlete with a weak wingspan which leads me to believe he's probably a role player in the nba and a role player in the nba as a wing ain't going far if you can't play defense unless you're a legit sniper from 3. could he develop defense? maybe, but if he can't d up on dudes playing in the german league, i have a hard time seeing him doing it in the nba.

aj johnson also sucks but he tall and athletic for a pg so they just gambling on traits. i wouldnt have picked him here but the bucks did the thing for giannis so i guess trying to get the same result here. i think aj johnson has a higher ceiling but dadiet has a higher floor.

kyshawn george a better 3-pt shooter and a better defender than dadiet which makes him more playable as a role player. i get he's a year older though so maybe in a year if we see dadiet shootin 40% from 3 and playing decent defense in the german league, i'd consider myself incorrect.
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Post#88 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:15 pm

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TrueWarrior wrote:
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Trading the 24th saved them 2.4 mil. Drafting this guy at 25 instead of 24 saved them .1 mil. His salary is 2.3 mil. This is one of those situations where every dollar counts. Even if he does come over, the Knicks saved 2.5 mil all together.


So do we need to clear more money still then?

Makes little sense to have this kid on the team anyway taking up cap space, collecting DNPs, and just playing in Westchester for the next 2+ years. We’d be able to be a bit more hands on with his development here, but that’s about it. I’d rather him stay overseas.

I guess we’ll have all this resolved by next week.


Yeah, it'll be resolved next week. If they convince him to stay overseas, it's another 2.4 mil saved and 5.7 total. If the Knicks end up a 2nd apron team, then this doesn't manner.

The numbers are a little off, but it would save the Knicks money if Dadiet stays overseas.

(Realistically it would be an additional 1.56m.)
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Post#89 » by Wildcat » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:26 pm

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So do we need to clear more money still then?

Makes little sense to have this kid on the team anyway taking up cap space, collecting DNPs, and just playing in Westchester for the next 2+ years. We’d be able to be a bit more hands on with his development here, but that’s about it. I’d rather him stay overseas.

I guess we’ll have all this resolved by next week.


Yeah, it'll be resolved next week. If they convince him to stay overseas, it's another 2.4 mil saved and 5.7 total. If the Knicks end up a 2nd apron team, then this doesn't manner.

The numbers are a little off, but it would save the Knicks money if Dadiet stays overseas.

(Realistically it would be an additional 1.56m.)


I'm not sure if there's any other shenanigans involved or the starting salaries I read are outdated. I found another source that says 24th pick's salary is 2.8 and 25th pick's salary is 2.7. So 5.5 mil. But yeah, ultimately more money to mess around with if he goes overseas. 1 or 2 scenarios makes this all moot.
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Post#90 » by Ghetto Gospel » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:27 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:the more i think about it, if this guy was american, he would have went undrafted


Shades of Deividas Sirvydis?


he's just very kevin knoxy, but it does seem like he wants to and likes to play ball so there's that
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Post#91 » by kNicksGmen » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:33 pm

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Yeah, it'll be resolved next week. If they convince him to stay overseas, it's another 2.4 mil saved and 5.7 total. If the Knicks end up a 2nd apron team, then this doesn't manner.

The numbers are a little off, but it would save the Knicks money if Dadiet stays overseas.

(Realistically it would be an additional 1.56m.)


I'm not sure if there's any other shenanigans involved or the starting salaries I read are outdated. I found another source that says 24th pick's salary is 2.8 and 25th pick's salary is 2.7. So 5.5 mil. But yeah, ultimately more money to mess around with if he goes overseas. 1 or 2 scenarios makes this all moot.

i assume he's saying an additional 1.56 since it would be replacing a min contract.so 1.56 additional compared to him not coming over, but still need to fill the roster spot which takes up a min. vet min is like 2 mil now i think.
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Post#92 » by Capn'O » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:36 pm

Ghetto Gospel wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:the more i think about it, if this guy was american, he would have went undrafted


Shades of Deividas Sirvydis?


he's just very kevin knoxy, but it does seem like he wants to and likes to play ball so there's that


Knox had an issue with Wizard of Oz traits (Brain, Heart, Courage) that I don't see in Dadiet's game. I like that Dadiet is constantly in motion and in the right spaces. I'm encouraged.
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Post#93 » by Chislic » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:36 pm

Pacome Dadiet conducted a pre-draft visit with the NETS. The same Nets who don't have a pick in this years draft... and who are still finalizing a Mikal Bridges trade with the Knicks.

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Post#94 » by Capn'O » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:37 pm

Chislic wrote:Pacome Dadiet conducted a pre-draft visit with the NETS. The same Nets who don't have a pick in this years draft... and who are still finalizing a Mikal Bridges trade with the Knicks.

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Post#95 » by Ghetto Gospel » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:41 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Shades of Deividas Sirvydis?


he's just very kevin knoxy, but it does seem like he wants to and likes to play ball so there's that


Knox had an issue with Wizard of Oz traits (Brain, Heart, Courage) that I don't see in Dadiet's game. I like that Dadiet is constantly in motion and in the right spaces. I'm encouraged.


i can see the heart but not sure if he has the brain. from what i've read, he's a poor team defender in that he consistently gets lost on defense while also having tunnel vision on offense when he drives to the rim. yeah he can move off the ball on offense cutting but that brain set sounds like obi toppin and i don't think anyone would say he has high iq. granted, he's young but yeah. tbd in my eyes, but wouldn't say it's there right now
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Post#96 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:45 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:
Wildcat wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:The numbers are a little off, but it would save the Knicks money if Dadiet stays overseas.

(Realistically it would be an additional 1.56m.)


I'm not sure if there's any other shenanigans involved or the starting salaries I read are outdated. I found another source that says 24th pick's salary is 2.8 and 25th pick's salary is 2.7. So 5.5 mil. But yeah, ultimately more money to mess around with if he goes overseas. 1 or 2 scenarios makes this all moot.

i assume he's saying an additional 1.56 since it would be replacing a min contract.so 1.56 additional compared to him not coming over, but still need to fill the roster spot which takes up a min. vet min is like 2 mil now i think.

This.

The rookie salary scale is a thing of mystery. Teams can sign first round picks to anything between 80% and 120% of the slot of their pick on the scale. However, it's essentially unknown (afaik, maybe in modern times) for these first rounder contracts not to be 120% of the slot. That's why you see different figures. The 2.8 for 24 and 2.7 for 25 are the 120% of the slot numbers. The scale can be found at the link below.

On that basis the Knicks saved approximately 2.8 for flipping 24, and would save another 1.56 if Dadiet stays overseas.

(You don't get to count the saving for not having to pay 24 and add another 0.1 for taking 25 instead of taking the player at 24. :lol: )

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2025
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Post#97 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:49 pm

Chislic wrote:Pacome Dadiet conducted a pre-draft visit with the NETS. The same Nets who don't have a pick in this years draft... and who are still finalizing a Mikal Bridges trade with the Knicks.

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Just following in the footsteps of MrDollarBills and Mikal Bridges
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Post#98 » by DOT » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:53 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Chislic wrote:Pacome Dadiet conducted a pre-draft visit with the NETS. The same Nets who don't have a pick in this years draft... and who are still finalizing a Mikal Bridges trade with the Knicks.

Are we sure he's ours???

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Good sleuthing. I hate it. But good sleuthing.

Not really. It's the same thing as most conspiracy theories, connecting dots which don't really connect by leaping over other rational explanations

Teams cover their bases. Better to bring in a guy for a visit and not have the chance to get him than not bring him in for a visit and have him on the board

It's more likely the Nets didn't want him, otherwise they would've traded for 24 and future picks to draft him, instead of trading for just future picks

This is a pretty stupid conspiracy theory.
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Post#99 » by K_ick_God » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:00 pm

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Post#100 » by Chislic » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:07 pm

DOT wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Chislic wrote:Pacome Dadiet conducted a pre-draft visit with the NETS. The same Nets who don't have a pick in this years draft... and who are still finalizing a Mikal Bridges trade with the Knicks.

Are we sure he's ours???

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Good sleuthing. I hate it. But good sleuthing.

Not really. It's the same thing as most conspiracy theories, connecting dots which don't really connect by leaping over other rational explanations

Teams cover their bases. Better to bring in a guy for a visit and not have the chance to get him than not bring him in for a visit and have him on the board

It's more likely the Nets didn't want him, otherwise they would've traded for 24 and future picks to draft him, instead of trading for just future picks

This is a pretty stupid conspiracy theory.


Strong reaction. Conspiracy theory?? Stupid??? Relax. I don't think it's that's outlandish. I'm asking a basic question. A you sure he's ours? that's all. LOL.

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