Would you move Deuce for Kessler?

[dakomish23]

Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.

How much play time he is gonna get behind the Nova boys though? Especially on a Thibs team. Brunson - McBride together is too small too. If you can get 30 mins quality time at C instead of 10 mins backup you should make that switch. Kessler/Sengun/Duren are also on great contracts

My hope is that Thibs dials down minutes for the main guys 28-32 MPG.

Brunson Deuce
Mikal DDV
OG Hart
Randle ?????
Mitch ?????

[knicksNOTslick]

Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.

It would take a lot more than Kessler for me to trade McBride. Value contract two way players are hard to come by.

This is what I'm saying. Just because a Center is a need right now, you should not trade away a valuable player and overpay for one. Offer Ainge the two protected 1sts, some 2nds and that's it. Anything more is an overpay for a Center who can't even dominate in summer league against fringe NBA players.

McBride has proven himself to be a contributor in the playoffs. I don't care if it's not as a PG. You need players who aren't afraid of the playoff pressure. We got posters here who wanted to pay IQ his bag and keep him but forget that IQ has choked in the playoffs. McBride is signed long term for super cheap, is a two-way player, and that counts for a lot with the apron and how 3 and D players are looked at. His contract plus his output combined, you would only trade McBride if we get a young star back. Kessler is not it.

Value your own players. Stop falling in love with other team's players. The grass isn't always greener.

[El Poochio]

Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.

How much play time he is gonna get behind the Nova boys though? Especially on a Thibs team. Brunson - McBride together is too small too. If you can get 30 mins quality time at C instead of 10 mins backup you should make that switch. Kessler/Sengun/Duren are also on great contracts

My hope is that Thibs dials down minutes for the main guys 28-32 MPG.

Brunson Deuce
Mikal DDV
OG Hart
Randle ?????
Mitch ?????

That would be ideal but not happening, Thibs has a whole career body of work of running players into the ground. Mikal is his next challenge he wont back down

[Zenzibar]

WCS is just an example of a stand in obviously.

I do think Robin Lopez should be able to play a situational role. Brooke is still out here playing big minutes, he is an offensive option though obviously.

But I want some guys with size and proven defensive track record. We also can take a chance on a guy like Yurtseven or Sandro but we need a functional barrier behind Mitch to stay between Embiid and the basket.

You wouldn't trust that Jericho Sims has worked hard and is ready to contribute in a bigger role?

He has to have someone to beat, even if it's just a place holder.
I am nervously content with
Mitch/Precious/RoPez/Sims (no real set order for the backups)
Those three guys can compete for time, and sometimes matchups will dictate.
Randle/OG/Precious/KBD at the 4 (maybe a Toppin sighting).

Mitch is a shoe-in for playing 42 games and playing a total of about 1200 minutes so that leave A LOT of time for other guys including Sims.
That's what we have to think about here.

Even Philly has Drummond with a real amount of money to back up franchise player Embiid.

I would love to see Sims take another leap and show the affects of the team's investment in him.

[StlHawksFan]

I would love to see Sims take another leap and show the affects of the team's investment in him.

I really just don't see it. I think we might have a better shot at getting useful minutes out of Hukporti than Sims.

Sims block rate has gone down every year from a respectable 3.9% as a rookie down to 3.0% last year. So he's contesting about a quarter fewer shots per possession.

Likewise his offensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, and overall rebounding percentages are all down below his rookie year. So he's just not doing as much per possession.

Most troubling is that given his average FG is just two feet away from the basket, his FG% is quite low, particularly on dunk attempts, 58%, down from 63% as a rookie.

[Madskillzz024]

If Rokas + Tyler look good in summer league , it would make sense to fill a position of need by making the trade. Anything more than a straight swap I would question though.

[moocow007]

I would love to see Sims take another leap and show the affects of the team's investment in him.

I really just don't see it. I think we might have a better shot at getting useful minutes out of Hukporti than Sims.

Sims block rate has gone down every year from a respectable 3.9% as a rookie down to 3.0% last year. So he's contesting about a quarter fewer shots per possession.

Likewise his offensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, and overall rebounding percentages are all down below his rookie year. So he's just not doing as much per possession.

Most troubling is that given his average FG is just two feet away from the basket, his FG% is quite low, particularly on dunk attempts, 58%, down from 63% as a rookie.

Even without looking and analyzing stats, the plain eye test says that he really hasn't improved (at least not noticeably) in any area of play. He still looks a bit lost when he's on the floor, still doesn't really have any semblance of an offensive game, still not improve in pick and roll movement, still not getting better position for rebounds, etc.

[Fury]

If Rokas + Tyler look good in summer league , it would make sense to fill a position of need by making the trade. Anything more than a straight swap I would question though.

I’m not saying they can’t be contributors but summer league isn’t the best indicator.

Also, the Knicks usually take their time developing young players so I wouldn’t expect either of them in the rotation early on.

[DOT]

If Rokas + Tyler look good in summer league , it would make sense to fill a position of need by making the trade. Anything more than a straight swap I would question though.

I’m not saying they can’t be contributors but summer league isn’t the best indicator.

Also, the Knicks usually take their time developing young players so I wouldn’t expect either of them in the rotation early on.

Rokas doesn't want to come over unless he's getting minutes, and at this point he won't be

Plus, we kinda can't sign him to a contract at the moment, if I had to bet, I'd say if he plays well in SL, we look to trade his rights.

[Wildcat]

It's a difficult yeah for me. You either trust Sims will take a leap (hah, no), or go after a big with Deuce's contract.

[Wildcat]

If Rokas + Tyler look good in summer league , it would make sense to fill a position of need by making the trade. Anything more than a straight swap I would question though.

I’m not saying they can’t be contributors but summer league isn’t the best indicator.

Also, the Knicks usually take their time developing young players so I wouldn’t expect either of them in the rotation early on.

Rokas doesn't want to come over unless he's getting minutes, and at this point he won't be

Plus, we kinda can't sign him to a contract at the moment, if I had to bet, I'd say if he plays well in SL, we look to trade his rights.

While true, Rokas is confirmed to be in Summer league if that means anything. Here's hoping he looks good.

[nykballa2k4]

You wouldn't trust that Jericho Sims has worked hard and is ready to contribute in a bigger role?

He has to have someone to beat, even if it's just a place holder.
I am nervously content with
Mitch/Precious/RoPez/Sims (no real set order for the backups)
Those three guys can compete for time, and sometimes matchups will dictate.
Randle/OG/Precious/KBD at the 4 (maybe a Toppin sighting).

Mitch is a shoe-in for playing 42 games and playing a total of about 1200 minutes so that leave A LOT of time for other guys including Sims.
That's what we have to think about here.

Even Philly has Drummond with a real amount of money to back up franchise player Embiid.

I would love to see Sims take another leap and show the affects of the team's investment in him.

Would love to see it, but not something I want to count on.

[Zenzibar]

I would love to see Sims take another leap and show the affects of the team's investment in him.

I really just don't see it. I think we might have a better shot at getting useful minutes out of Hukporti than Sims.

Sims block rate has gone down every year from a respectable 3.9% as a rookie down to 3.0% last year. So he's contesting about a quarter fewer shots per possession.

Likewise his offensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, and overall rebounding percentages are all down below his rookie year. So he's just not doing as much per possession.

Most troubling is that given his average FG is just two feet away from the basket, his FG% is quite low, particularly on dunk attempts, 58%, down from 63% as a rookie.

Very interesting, I wasn't aware of the numbers for Sims. Just being positive, could it have been another injury that the whole team suffered last season?

I've come to wonder, how under a practically untradeble contract, because its so low, the Team holds onto Jericho.
He's rather an introvert and one day hopefully he'll break out of his shell.

[Zenzibar]

I would love to see Sims take another leap and show the affects of the team's investment in him.

I really just don't see it. I think we might have a better shot at getting useful minutes out of Hukporti than Sims.

Sims block rate has gone down every year from a respectable 3.9% as a rookie down to 3.0% last year. So he's contesting about a quarter fewer shots per possession.

Likewise his offensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, and overall rebounding percentages are all down below his rookie year. So he's just not doing as much per possession.

Most troubling is that given his average FG is just two feet away from the basket, his FG% is quite low, particularly on dunk attempts, 58%, down from 63% as a rookie.

Even without looking and analyzing stats, the plain eye test says that he really hasn't improved (at least not noticeably) in any area of play. He still looks a bit lost when he's on the floor, still doesn't really have any semblance of an offensive game, still not improve in pick and roll movement, still not getting better position for rebounds, etc.

Very true and we're fortunate, iHart took that leap this season. But somewhere in me Brunson and this team is just a good environment for a long term project Big.

[nykballa2k4]

I would love to see Sims take another leap and show the affects of the team's investment in him.

I really just don't see it. I think we might have a better shot at getting useful minutes out of Hukporti than Sims.

Sims block rate has gone down every year from a respectable 3.9% as a rookie down to 3.0% last year. So he's contesting about a quarter fewer shots per possession.

Likewise his offensive rebounding, defensive rebounding, and overall rebounding percentages are all down below his rookie year. So he's just not doing as much per possession.

Most troubling is that given his average FG is just two feet away from the basket, his FG% is quite low, particularly on dunk attempts, 58%, down from 63% as a rookie.

Very interesting, I wasn't aware of the numbers for Sims. Just being positive, could it have been another injury that the whole team suffered last season?

I've come to wonder, how under a practically untradeble contract, because its so low, the Team holds onto Jericho.
He's rather an introvert and one day hopefully he'll break out of his shell.

Not really worried about those percents because who knows how those stats were counted. If he tried to tip in the ball twice and missed both for example it's 0-2. if we tossed him an ally that was out of his range and he almost got it, that's a miss. Never seen him miss a gimme shot.

[LookToShoot]

Yeah, I would move him. He's not going to play much.

[WaltFrazier]

Can you get Kessler for just picks or does there have to be matching salary coming back? And if so, who besides Deuce is a salary match?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Overall I am just not a fan of playing 48min with rim running centers with 0 offense, even with there defensive capability.

iHart at least offered a reliable floater and good passing. Just those skills made a huge difference.

I still like Mitch. Just rather have our other center offer some complimentary skills over full redundancy. Sometimes we do need a C that can be a threat outside of 3' from the basket..... This is especially true in the East. I can't emphasize that enough.

Maybe it's why we are hearing rumors of Segun and KAT

[StlHawksFan]

Can you get Kessler for just picks or does there have to be matching salary coming back? And if so, who besides Deuce is a salary match?

Jeffries and Brown both have enough years under their belt that we can sign them to non-bird contracts at 120% of the vet minimum. $2.685M a piece. Combined it's enough to cover Kessler to keep us from violating the apron rules.

[3toheadmelo]

op should change title to nick richards since he's the much more realistic option

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