Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[Johnny Hoops]

What games are you watching? EVERYTHING in the halfcourt has been triangle.

I'm not seeing triangle. Last year I saw 95% triangle because Fisher/we committed to it -- this year I'm not seeing triangle much at all. We may be running it but it is NOT even close to the crispness we were running it at last year. Triangle is one of those things you have to be either all in or all out and right now we are just in nowhere land.

Last 2 games we ran nothing but triangle

The problem is that Melo can't make reads out of it. He is awful at making decisions out of triangle sets, you need guys with quick reaction and Melo is slow in his reaction. You notice how he never gives the ball back to the guard out of the pinch post? Never!

Maurice NDour and Ron Baker had way more fluidity when they ran it because NDour actually knows how to make a quick decision with the ball, he doesn't hold it.

I'm not knocking on Melo I'm just saying he is not a triangle type of player, especially now in this stage of his career where he looks slow and takes way too much time to make a decision with the ball. We need to be running an offense that suits the players we have.

You don't know what you are talking about or what you are seeing but keep going it's a joy to read your spot on analysis.

[Sark]

even if the knicks get a top pick, melo is going to stunt it's growth by going iso all the time.

carmelo anthony is holding the knicks hostage.

If the Knicks are that bad, there's a good chance he requests a trade midseason. Return won't be great.

The good teams don't need him, and he won't approve a trade to a bad team. He ain't going anywhere.

[Johnny Hoops]

Also 1 thing I have noticed, that when Melo gets the ball everyone freezes and waits if Melo is isoing or is it worth to get open.
No...? Thats just me?

Didn't I say this exact same thing 5 years ago?

Fixed!

[god shammgod]

Can we scrap the triangle offense/defense and try Melo at PF, Woody-style, before we blow it up and tank?

Holiday & Lee in the starting lineup would really spread the floor and they are versatile, very solid defenders.

we aint gonna blow it up and tank. we're just gonna suck. maybe even enough to matter but probably not.

[Carl_Karlson]

We're (accidently) tanking whether anyone likes it or not. But we'll be happier after the draft

[HEZI]

I've never seen the guard cut behind Melo after giving him the ball down there. usually it's Noah that gives Melo the ball there. It's not the triangle.

You never saw Rose/Jennings feed Melo the ball and curl around him like that? I have

The triangle has different ways of feeding the pinch post, sometimes it comes from the Center who then runs to set a screen for a shooter or cutter and sometimes it comes from the guard who curls around the post player. There are different options

Not often and if they do it's down the lane and out to the weak side three point line like the flex ISO plays Horny ran in PHX. But I see what you're saying. This should be avoided because Melo is just using it as a chance for his ISO plays and it stalls movement. Should only happen if he has a mismatch or it's last shot of a quarter.

Yeah and I wouldn't have a problem with it if Melo was a gifted athlete and was quick and decisive like MJ/Kobe were and he could still punish the defense by blowing by his defender and finishing around the basket but that's just no Melo's game. This team is more suited for a spread offense, the triangle needs to just be ditched.

[Iron Mantis]

I can't be mad at accidentally tanking. The idea of drafting a superstar is much better than 37 wins.

[HEZI]

I'm not seeing triangle. Last year I saw 95% triangle because Fisher/we committed to it -- this year I'm not seeing triangle much at all. We may be running it but it is NOT even close to the crispness we were running it at last year. Triangle is one of those things you have to be either all in or all out and right now we are just in nowhere land.

Last 2 games we ran nothing but triangle

The problem is that Melo can't make reads out of it. He is awful at making decisions out of triangle sets, you need guys with quick reaction and Melo is slow in his reaction. You notice how he never gives the ball back to the guard out of the pinch post? Never!

Maurice NDour and Ron Baker had way more fluidity when they ran it because NDour actually knows how to make a quick decision with the ball, he doesn't hold it.

I'm not knocking on Melo I'm just saying he is not a triangle type of player, especially now in this stage of his career where he looks slow and takes way too much time to make a decision with the ball. We need to be running an offense that suits the players we have.

You don't know what you are talking about or what you are seeing but keep going it's a joy to read your spot on analysis.

Yeah and apparently neither do the players who are complaining about it in the open but hey I guess they don't know what they are talking about either

[dakomish23]

People crucifying KP need to look at their boy Melo. KP was fronted Melo couldnt even throw a lob pass into him with Ariza on him. KP was not passed to with Ariza on him on another play when Melo decided to just shoot the 3. No one is looking for KP.

The guys simply have to play team ball and look for the mismatches. Horny even said they dont look for him enough. The guy is 7'3 rockets had no answers yet he had no FG's. People would say he's soft but KP did not get a damn pass when in position a bunch of times.

Melo gets post positiona nd gets it damn near every time. Black hole!

Also the standing around needs to stop when Melo and Rose makes a move. Rose drove a bunch of times but has no one to pass it to it gets annoying.

When KP played with just Melo he did well

When KP played with just Jennings he did well

When KP played with both he did well

Tell me how has KP done with DRose?

How can anyone, even the KP is God crew, not see how terrible DRose is for this starting lineup???!!!

The proof as always is what we have seen on the court. That 4th quarter where KP started shows life till DRose called two ISO plays for himself could not be a better example of what you will see happen to KP as long as DRose is on the floor.

Blame Melo!!!

I said in the post above that no one moves around when Rose and Melo goes to work. Melo even more blatant because its always a jump shot.

Yes Melo is one to blame. You have a new team yet you force it for yourself instead of the mismatch in KP vs Ariza. He would take Ariza but cant pass to KP on Ariza? Frustrating. Theres a lot of blame to be passed around but there was about 4 alarming plays by Melo.

-1 on 4 did not pass when it was a double. Drove into the quadruple team.
-Dribbled up court like its 2k without knowing his surrounding and got it stolen by Brewer
-Ariza fronted KP with no post help and Melo could not, I repeat could not throw a simple lob pass leading to an easy dunk.
-Ariza on KP again Melo settles for the long contested 3

Thats unacceptable at least when Rose chucks its a drive to the basket.Eventually the floor will be spread and Rose can make some plays. Clear as day he is trying to submit to ISO Melo. He hasnt found his rhythm passing yet. You dont just lose passing ability, guys have to maneuver around with you.

Feel free to tell me who has more assist attempts to KP and assiste attempts overall.

I'm not excusing Melo. But I know KP can do well next to him. There has been nothing that shows the DRose we've seen 3 out of the 4 games, the me first, call my own number, prove I'm no longer injured, ready for that next contract DRose, plays even remotely well next to KP.

Did you have many issues with Melo passing or shooting when Jennings was starting? There's a chain reaction that is happening when your selfish PG refuses to move the ball and get others involved. The type of shot does not matter when it is your job to create for others. There's no excuse for DRose calling his own number time and time again.

Im not caping for Melo. I'm caping for the Knicks. It's time for either DRose to change his game like he did against MEM or he needs to head to the bench.

That's if you don't want to lose game after game in embarrassing fashion and suck the life out of KP.

If you want to see DRose prove the haters wrong, feel free to let things stay the way they are

[Capn'O]

even if the knicks get a top pick, melo is going to stunt it's growth by going iso all the time.

carmelo anthony is holding the knicks hostage.

If the Knicks are that bad, there's a good chance he requests a trade midseason. Return won't be great.

The good teams don't need him, and he won't approve a trade to a bad team. He ain't going anywhere.

Clippers would. Cleveland wouldn't say no if you can find another destination for Love. Like I said, return won't be great. Houston?

There are ways, dude. There are ways.

[Adelheid]

even if the knicks get a top pick, melo is going to stunt it's growth by going iso all the time.

carmelo anthony is holding the knicks hostage.

If the Knicks are that bad, there's a good chance he requests a trade midseason. Return won't be great.

The good teams don't need him, and he won't approve a trade to a bad team. He ain't going anywhere.

But Lebron would want his buddy Melo by his side.

[dakomish23]

I can't be mad at accidentally tanking. The idea of drafting a superstar is much better than 37 wins.

Except we could of "accidentally" tanked and had 70 mil in cap space or at worst 56 mil if we did nothing but sign 1 year deals and kept RoLo.

Since this is the bed they made they bête figure it out

[Sark]

If the Knicks are that bad, there's a good chance he requests a trade midseason. Return won't be great.

The good teams don't need him, and he won't approve a trade to a bad team. He ain't going anywhere.

Clippers would. Cleveland wouldn't say no if you can find another destination for Love. Like I said, return won't be great. Houston?

There are ways, dude. There are ways.

Clippers have nothing to offer except Crawford, and Wesley Johnson, who both have multiple years left. Why would the Knicks accept that?

Cleveland just won with Love. Why would they break up their core? They'd keep Love and send us Shumpert + fillers. Again why would the Knicks accept that?

[Carl_Karlson]

Draft express is my new favorite spot. We'll have to fire phil so he doesnt draft a big

[dakomish23]

The good teams don't need him, and he won't approve a trade to a bad team. He ain't going anywhere.

Clippers would. Cleveland wouldn't say no if you can find another destination for Love. Like I said, return won't be great. Houston?

There are ways, dude. There are ways.

Clippers have nothing to offer except Crawford, and Wesley Johnson, who both have multiple years left. Why would the Knicks accept that?

Cleveland just won with Love. Why would they break up their core? They'd keep Love and send us Shumpert + fillers. Again why would the Knicks accept that?

There's just an infinite amount of endings for "why would the Knicks ______" that have actually happened.

I put nothing out of the realm of possibility after the Bargs deal

[uballer]

Knicks is the worst NBA team in NY, if not in the whole league.

[BodyCount]

this thread doesn't need 41 pages. The team isn't worth 41 pages. Why so many words? It can be all put in 1 or 2 sentences:

This team is bad at offense, bad at defense, has bad team chemistry, sucks at passing and every other part of the game, is lazy, has no heart, is coached by a bad coach, assisted by bad assistant coach, chosen by a stubbern team president, hired by a bad owner.

The only good thing in this club are probably people that have nothing to do with basketball, like cleaners, the folks that put the court together and the Knicks city dancers.

[Wolfgang630]

So, what exactly is the problem with KP? Last year he showed everyone he had no problems really on the defensive end. Does anybody recall any games where he guarded someone like a Ryan Anderson last year? I would like to see the video because I watched most Knicks games last year and I don't ever remember this being a problem.

There has to be a problem internally as far as the defense goes. Idk if it's Phil or Hornacek, but it's definitely not KP. I think KP comes off as a nice guy and probably confused with what's going on. Now he has these vets around him he's deferring more and being more passive atleast when they're on the court. And he's not the only one. The whole team (with vets) are having a problem on defense. It has to be an internal problem and this is only KP's second year so he's probably trying to follow orders and lost.

When it's him and the 4 subs he hasn't shown the aggression. Last night I watched him with the 4 subs and he would stand in the corner and it felt like he's supposed to be some spot up 3 point shooter. It didn't feel like anything was even being ran for him most of the time. There's no way he should be taking 4 shots (and one of them was from an offensive rebound).

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Draft express is my new favorite spot. We'll have to fire phil so he doesnt draft a big

Crap i didnt even think of that smfh please Dolan step in and fire this dude please.

[Luv those Knicks]

We still suck.

Fixed it for you.