Offseason Thread Continued - Atlanta Got Crabbes and We're Panicking

[Apples]

SAS on Kay show. Thinks the Nets are in play. He's blaming Dolan if KD doesn't come.

Edit: He continues to say Irving will go where Durant goes cause no one wants Irving by himself.

[god shammgod]

he wants an all-star and a young player who looks like he'll become an all-star. what team has that or would even be willing give up both of those things ? for that to be met boston would actually have to give them irving and tatum somehow. oh and also picks. he can't actually expect to get all that.

[mpharris36]

he wants an all-star and a young player who looks like he'll become an all-star. what team has that or would even be willing give up both of those things ? for that to be met boston would actually have to give them irving and tatum somehow. oh and also picks. he can't actually expect to get all that.

on top of that who gives that up to them without AD having that team on his extension list...no one is giving that up with the idea they can somehow change his mind down the road.

damn even toronto might loose Kawhi after winning a chip.

[spree2kawhi]

NOP takes the best offer.

Who can offer the most? Boston. If AD signals he won't stay there, maybe they don't make a strong offer, but if they don't care, he'll go to Boston regardless. NY is next, we'd sell the farm, which is ok. Then the Lakers, who cannot offer a fair return if they sent along King Moron I himself.

Is there an outside team we haven't thought about? Bucks have no young talent. Toronto has Siakam, OG and VanVleet...... OKC has Schroder, Grant and other middling players. Clippers don't have anyone really. SGA is decent, but that's it. Maybe Sacramento?

[spree2kawhi]

he wants an all-star and a young player who looks like he'll become an all-star. what team has that or would even be willing give up both of those things ? for that to be met boston would actually have to give them irving and tatum somehow. oh and also picks. he can't actually expect to get all that.

on top of that who gives that up to them without AD having that team on his extension list...no one is giving that up with the idea they can somehow change his mind down the road.

damn even toronto might loose Kawhi after winning a chip.

Yet Toronto gave up that much. Wisely because if Kawhi leaves they're right in their rebuild around Siakam with great cap structure. It's what Boston could think about too. Then go after giannis and whoever comes next.

[mpharris36]

NOP takes the best offer.

Who can offer the most? Boston. If AD signals he won't stay there, maybe they don't make a strong offer, but if they don't care, he'll go to Boston regardless. NY is next, we'd sell the farm, which is ok. Then the Lakers, who cannot offer a fair return if they sent along King Moron I himself.

Is there an outside team we haven't thought about? Bucks have no young talent. Toronto has Siakam, OG and VanVleet...... OKC has Schroder, Grant and other middling players. Clippers don't have anyone really. SGA is decent, but that's it. Maybe Sacramento?

none of those teams even have all-stars. Tatum isn't an all-star...he fits into the all-star caliber player. Toronto doesn't have that either. Clips as well....they aren't getting that asking price.

[mpharris36]

he wants an all-star and a young player who looks like he'll become an all-star. what team has that or would even be willing give up both of those things ? for that to be met boston would actually have to give them irving and tatum somehow. oh and also picks. he can't actually expect to get all that.

on top of that who gives that up to them without AD having that team on his extension list...no one is giving that up with the idea they can somehow change his mind down the road.

damn even toronto might loose Kawhi after winning a chip.

Yet Toronto gave up that much. Wisely because if Kawhi leaves they're right in their rebuild around Siakam with great cap structure. It's what Boston could think about too. Then go after giannis and whoever comes next.

DD was an all-star in the east making a sh*t tone of money. Totally different. Toronto took a risk because they capped out there talent level. They gave up DD and poertl and a heavily protected pick. How is that similar to what NOP are asking for now?

[Fat Kat]

AD just has to reiterate his unwillingness to sign with teams not on his list. That’ll narrow the field and kill Griffin’s leverage. Let’s see what teams will give up for a 1 year rental of a disgruntled player.

[JXL]

AD gettin traded to the Lakers. Have fun being scolded by LeGrandpa.

[Jeffrey]

So Griffin has pretty much set the bar for a package that no one team which is being rumored even has the all star and what team with an all star is going to be the third wheel in the trade that gives up their star but not get AD?

Only for the fact that he is an incredible player that I don't want to see the Knicks just bow out of this nonsense but at the same time I don't want to see them give up the massive package it would take to get him.

If the Knicks hadn't traded KP they might have the best package without giving up the farm but then they'd still be stuck in cap hell with Timmy still around.

Perry just needs to stick around in the conversation so it drives up the price for any potential eastern conference teams who might make the trade.

Horford - All Star
Tatus - future All Star
And a bunch of picks.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I could care less what NOP wants. They have very little leverage here.

With the Knicks...it's all about salary match. That means it's all about gutting the team. Pelicans will want Mitch. So...2 of Knox/DSJ/Frank...plus Mitch and #3...PLUS another pick or 2. Keeping Mitch weakens that package considerably. Was there a list of teams AD would agree to sign with? I can't remember.

Doing this by draft night? That's extremely risky for the Knicks. Gutting your team for AD...then no one else comes? Perry doesn't strike me as that guy.

Just being in the discussion for KD/KI/KL/AD and...having the potential to land at least 2 of them...is a far cry from where the team was 3 years ago. If they strike out in FA...they can stay the course in a rebuild. So...I don't see them trading for AD by draft night. Too risky. Unless other players give them back channel guarantees they want to join AD here.

Kawhi is the guy I want over everyone. Would love him and Klay(Not happening)...or KD. Then roll with the kids. Maybe move Frank(or another) for a pick to clear space for DJ to take less and play with KD? I don't see AD in the cards.

I'm not down with trading the farm for anyone. I don't care if we get max players either. So...win win for me. As long as we don't give out any THJr deals this summer...I'm good with whatever happens. It's an odd feeling being this nonchalant about the offseason. #3 pick and 2 max slots to go with a team full of kids to develop...plus a shyt load of picks. This has never happened before. Can't wait for the rumors and speculation to end.

I actually think they have some leverage here, or at least as much as a team can with a guy who's going to be a FA. The Lakers are desperate to get AD, we saw that this season. They are probably going to bring the same offer as last time but now they can include the 4 pick. From all accounts, Ainge doesn't give a fu*k and will go for AD regardless of Kyrie being there. We are obviously contenders for AD. Also, given the PG/Kawhi stuff, teams might take the risk of trading for AD and trying to get him to re-sign.

Lastly, I think getting AD vastly increases the chances that we get FAs. I don't see trading away the assets we have as gutting the team. It's hard to "gut" a 17 win team. Losing RJ and Mitch would hurt, but that's about it, at least for me. Can't let those guys stop you from getting AD in his prime.

You're also adding picks to the deal. If no one comes...you have AD and nothing else. Then what? Rebuild around him with fewer draft picks and an empty roster? I do think players would definitely consider coming here to play with AD but...I just don't see the risk being a Perry move. We will find out soon enough I suppose.

FTR...I'm not saying I think it's a terrible move to trade for AD...I'm just not on team trade the kids. I do think it's a bad/risky move to trade for him by the draft though. I just don't see Perry doing it.

[mpharris36]

So Griffin has pretty much set the bar for a package that no one team which is being rumored even has the all star and what team with an all star is going to be the third wheel in the trade that gives up their star but not get AD?

Only for the fact that he is an incredible player that I don't want to see the Knicks just bow out of this nonsense but at the same time I don't want to see them give up the massive package it would take to get him.

If the Knicks hadn't traded KP they might have the best package without giving up the farm but then they'd still be stuck in cap hell with Timmy still around.

Perry just needs to stick around in the conversation so it drives up the price for any potential eastern conference teams who might make the trade.

Horford - All Star
Tatus - future All Star
And a bunch of picks.

stop it...get some help

[JXL]

So Griffin has pretty much set the bar for a package that no one team which is being rumored even has the all star and what team with an all star is going to be the third wheel in the trade that gives up their star but not get AD?

Only for the fact that he is an incredible player that I don't want to see the Knicks just bow out of this nonsense but at the same time I don't want to see them give up the massive package it would take to get him.

If the Knicks hadn't traded KP they might have the best package without giving up the farm but then they'd still be stuck in cap hell with Timmy still around.

Perry just needs to stick around in the conversation so it drives up the price for any potential eastern conference teams who might make the trade.

Horford - All Star
Tatus - future All Star
And a bunch of picks.

stop it...get some help

[DowNY]

It will be Boston. Simple as that.

for a one year rental? with Kyrie leaving?

I doubt that...

It does seem unlikely but Tor was a bit of a surprise too.

So within 12 months, they could have lost Kyrie, Anthony Davis AND Tatum (plus picks and other players like Smart).

I love it. Then 2020, they can build around the great Hayward.

[3toheadmelo]

I wonder if the Celtics are trying to trade for Capela so they can flip him to the Pelicans. Just a random thought

[Knicksfan1992]

AD just has to reiterate his unwillingness to sign with teams not on his list. That’ll narrow the field and kill Griffin’s leverage. Let’s see what teams will give up for a 1 year rental of a disgruntled player.

I think that "report" will come out very soon... He's not going to want this to drag on much longer than this already has.

I'm guessing a deal gets done by next week.

[mpharris36]

I wonder if the Celtics are trying to trade for Capela so they can flip him to the Pelicans. Just a random thought

for who? for what?

I dont know?

(extra points for whoever gets the reference)

[DowNY]

SAS on Kay show. Thinks the Nets are in play. He's blaming Dolan if KD doesn't come.

Edit: He continues to say Irving will go where Durant goes cause no one wants Irving by himself.

Cris Carter said Knicks aren’t super interested in Kyrie. Not their top option. KD + Kawhi is.
If we miss on Kawhi, we may still end up with KD+Kyrie.
I think Nets are Kyrie’s plan B. Kyrie & someone like Butler or Harris.

[shtolky]

I could care less what NOP wants. They have very little leverage here.

With the Knicks...it's all about salary match. That means it's all about gutting the team. Pelicans will want Mitch. So...2 of Knox/DSJ/Frank...plus Mitch and #3...PLUS another pick or 2. Keeping Mitch weakens that package considerably. Was there a list of teams AD would agree to sign with? I can't remember.

Doing this by draft night? That's extremely risky for the Knicks. Gutting your team for AD...then no one else comes? Perry doesn't strike me as that guy.

Just being in the discussion for KD/KI/KL/AD and...having the potential to land at least 2 of them...is a far cry from where the team was 3 years ago. If they strike out in FA...they can stay the course in a rebuild. So...I don't see them trading for AD by draft night. Too risky. Unless other players give them back channel guarantees they want to join AD here.

Kawhi is the guy I want over everyone. Would love him and Klay(Not happening)...or KD. Then roll with the kids. Maybe move Frank(or another) for a pick to clear space for DJ to take less and play with KD? I don't see AD in the cards.

I'm not down with trading the farm for anyone. I don't care if we get max players either. So...win win for me. As long as we don't give out any THJr deals this summer...I'm good with whatever happens. It's an odd feeling being this nonchalant about the offseason. #3 pick and 2 max slots to go with a team full of kids to develop...plus a shyt load of picks. This has never happened before. Can't wait for the rumors and speculation to end.

I actually think they have some leverage here, or at least as much as a team can with a guy who's going to be a FA. The Lakers are desperate to get AD, we saw that this season. They are probably going to bring the same offer as last time but now they can include the 4 pick. From all accounts, Ainge doesn't give a fu*k and will go for AD regardless of Kyrie being there. We are obviously contenders for AD. Also, given the PG/Kawhi stuff, teams might take the risk of trading for AD and trying to get him to re-sign.

Lastly, I think getting AD vastly increases the chances that we get FAs. I don't see trading away the assets we have as gutting the team. It's hard to "gut" a 17 win team. Losing RJ and Mitch would hurt, but that's about it, at least for me. Can't let those guys stop you from getting AD in his prime.

You're also adding picks to the deal. If no one comes...you have AD and nothing else. Then what? Rebuild around him with fewer draft picks and an empty roster? I do think players would definitely consider coming here to play with AD but...I just don't see the risk being a Perry move. We will find out soon enough I suppose.

FTR...I'm not saying I think it's a terrible move to trade for AD...I'm just not on team trade the kids. I do think it's a bad/risky move to trade for him by the draft though. I just don't see Perry doing it.

I would do it simply because it's AD in his prime, and we would be giving up 30 cents on the dollar for him. Let's say guys don't come, worst case scenario I guess, then you have AD, loads of cap space, and all of our picks going forward (assuming we would only deal RJ and the Dallas picks). That's a pretty damn good foundation to build a contender quickly. I am operating under the assumption that if we did get AD before FA, we would 100% get players. I think ultimately another team deals for AD, but I'd pretty much give anything away to get him. This wouldn't be the Melo trade all over again.

[K_ick_God]

he wants an all-star and a young player who looks like he'll become an all-star. what team has that or would even be willing give up both of those things ? for that to be met boston would actually have to give them irving and tatum somehow. oh and also picks. he can't actually expect to get all that.

Ask for the sun and settle for the moon. It only makes sense to at least publicly negotiate high.

There's a limit to it of course. The president is all about maximalist requests and it gets obvious that you're bluffing. But with a bona fide young All-Star big on the move, he can ask for the universe.

I don't see any team really beating 3 picks and Knox. Not in the end. Hold tight lol.

Do this too ... if they insist on Mitch, then you say No no no ... but you could always add an unprotected 2020-2022 pick. Who's beating:

-Knox
-RJ
-Knicks 2020 unprotected
-Mavs 2021 unprotected
-Mavs 2023 top-10 protected

5 picks for AD. Call it a day. I seriously would not even add DS or Doston. Why? Those guys can be important complementary pieces. If they want Dotson, they lose a pick. Keep Frank too.