2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

[Clyde_Style]

I mean trying to go after Hunter is what led to his impeachment...

But hey, by all means go after him. I'm sure this is on top of the list of priorities with swing voters.

Trump is at the repeatedly punching himself in the face stage of Fight Club

[Pointgod]

I mean trying to go after Hunter is what led to his impeachment...

But hey, by all means go after him. I'm sure this is on top of the list of priorities with swing voters.

I mean you gotta give it to Trump, this new strategy is really going to hurt Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton with undecided voters.

[K_ick_God]

Yeah it's obviously not okay for a guy who prides himself on truth and integrity to be trying to exact personal revenge on basically the whole U.S system (GG). And wrecks his credibility.

[j4remi]

I honestly appreciate your recap of the history behind Greenwald's professional reputation. What it does seem to come down to is he has a major chip on his shoulder. But IDGAF if he felt burned by established media outlets if he cannot get over his hurt feelings which skew his judgment now. The last thing he needed to do to his rep was to double down on actions driven by a desire to get even. His grudgefulness makes him do things that deepened the perception of him as an unreliable actor with suspect alliances.

But it doesn't really matter if his damaged psyche is the only reason for why he undermined legit concerns about Russia hacking American politics. It still boils down to misguided reasoning and even malicious intent.

Agreed fully. The chip on his shoulder is pretty much how he's always been too imo. The sort of thing that made him fun when you agreed with him but he can come off obnoxious when you disagree. I relish that he's become a thorn in Bolsonaro's side (as long as nothing goes bad for him)

I don't think it's malicious intent with regards to his attacks on the Russia investigation though. I think it's more of a "they're trying to play us again" PTSD kinda thing that blinds him to the valid evidence. There is a bit of spite in there though, because when he sees valid stories his retort is usually something along the lines of "yeah but the U.S. does it too" in more eloquent terms...It's a get out of jail free card for deeper discussion (and one I've seen Taibbi and Kulinsky overuse too).

[thebuzzardman]

Trump nearly got impeached trying to kneecap Biden over Hunter last summer. It didn't stick and now Biden is kicking his face in.

If it hasn't worked for the last 15 months, what makes Trump think it's going to stick in the last 500 hours before the election?

Hoping to excite some of his base in the run up to the election.

Also, what the Trump campaign does (the campaign has been running since his first inauguration day) is anything Trump has been blamed for or actually does, they cook up a similar accusation against perceived or actual opponent.

It's the ultimate in deflection. If someone is a mouthbreather, then they bye the lie outright.

Alternatively, it's target is on "undecideds" where the campaign seeks to create a moral equivalency between Trump, and in this case Biden, so one of the following happens:
a) Well, both candidates are kind of corrupt, so maybe I'll go for the conservative one after all
b) Well, both candidates are kind of corrupt, so I'll just not vote

Either outcome helps his campaign

[thebuzzardman]

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This kind of thing alone should disqualify Trump from being President.

[frothbrain]

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Curious how this sits with the few critical thinking Democrats on this forum.
The ones who treat politics as they do their sports teams need not reply.

[HarthorneWingo]

For a long time I thought Trump was a lock to get a second term but man this dude is going down in flames. Maybe the silent majority will save him again but he is coming out with terrible look after terrible look.

Dude lost by 3 million votes last time. Only Republican to win the popular vote in the last 27 years was Bush in 04

It ain't a majority, and ain't nothing silent about them.

This is it. They didn’t have the majority in 2016 or 2018.

He may squeeze by on electoral math, but I can’t see how he’ll ever get the majority.

Gore actually beat Bush and we still lost.

[Clyde_Style]

I honestly appreciate your recap of the history behind Greenwald's professional reputation. What it does seem to come down to is he has a major chip on his shoulder. But IDGAF if he felt burned by established media outlets if he cannot get over his hurt feelings which skew his judgment now. The last thing he needed to do to his rep was to double down on actions driven by a desire to get even. His grudgefulness makes him do things that deepened the perception of him as an unreliable actor with suspect alliances.

But it doesn't really matter if his damaged psyche is the only reason for why he undermined legit concerns about Russia hacking American politics. It still boils down to misguided reasoning and even malicious intent.

Agreed fully. The chip on his shoulder is pretty much how he's always been too imo. The sort of thing that made him fun when you agreed with him but he can come off obnoxious when you disagree. I relish that he's become a thorn in Bolsonaro's side (as long as nothing goes bad for him)

I don't think it's malicious intent with regards to his attacks on the Russia investigation though. I think it's more of a "they're trying to play us again" PTSD kinda thing that blinds him to the valid evidence. There is a bit of spite in there though, because when he sees valid stories his retort is usually something along the lines of "yeah but the U.S. does it too" in more eloquent terms...It's a get out of jail free card for deeper discussion (and one I've seen Taibbi and Kulinsky overuse too).

Agreed. Only thing I'd amend is your leniency or discounting malign intent. What's at stake is so momentous that guys like this really become enemies of reason if their flippancy fuels unnecessary chasms in the voting blocs. Look at how many young folks spew this bothsideisms stuff they peddle as an excuse to create false equivalencies between the GOP and the Democrats. And I think the Tara Reade story is clearly malicious in intent, because she was not vetted at all, but Greenwald simply did not care. It was like a gift falling in his lap to bludgeon Biden with without any regard for journalistic integrity. Greenwald clearly cared more about recklessly destroying Biden's reputation than he did about maintaining his own so I think he is a lost cause.

I think they are way more culpable than you say, irregardless of the psychological reasons behind their motivations. Ultimately, the reason for the motivation does not excuse the action that motivation drove them to commit. These guys play the spoiler card too hard for me to trust them. And I do agree they do that in part because they've been spurned by big players in the media. It is like they have less to lose now and they feel unburdened of the consequences of their actions now that they've been knocked down a peg. But that doesn't excuse any of it even if it explains why they engage in juvenile part-time character assassination.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Curious how this sits with the few critical thinking Democrats on this forum.
The ones who treat politics as they do their sports teams need not reply.

I have no idea what this is even about. Can you provide a factual source for some background?

[DOT]

"I'm a free thinker!"

The person parroting GOP propaganda yelled into the void.

[HarthorneWingo]

I honestly appreciate your recap of the history behind Greenwald's professional reputation. What it does seem to come down to is he has a major chip on his shoulder. But IDGAF if he felt burned by established media outlets if he cannot get over his hurt feelings which skew his judgment now. The last thing he needed to do to his rep was to double down on actions driven by a desire to get even. His grudgefulness makes him do things that deepened the perception of him as an unreliable actor with suspect alliances.

But it doesn't really matter if his damaged psyche is the only reason for why he undermined legit concerns about Russia hacking American politics. It still boils down to misguided reasoning and even malicious intent.

Agreed fully. The chip on his shoulder is pretty much how he's always been too imo. The sort of thing that made him fun when you agreed with him but he can come off obnoxious when you disagree. I relish that he's become a thorn in Bolsonaro's side (as long as nothing goes bad for him)

I don't think it's malicious intent with regards to his attacks on the Russia investigation though. I think it's more of a "they're trying to play us again" PTSD kinda thing that blinds him to the valid evidence. There is a bit of spite in there though, because when he sees valid stories his retort is usually something along the lines of "yeah but the U.S. does it too" in more eloquent terms...It's a get out of jail free card for deeper discussion (and one I've seen Taibbi and Kulinsky overuse too).

Agreed. Only thing I'd amend is your leniency or discounting malign intent. What's at stake is so momentous that guys like this really become enemies of reason if their flippancy fuels unnecessary chasms in the voting blocs. Look at how many young folks spew this bothsideisms stuff they peddle as an excuse to create false equivalencies between the GOP and the Democrats. And I think the Tara Reade story is clearly malicious in intent, because she was not vetted at all, but Greenwald simply did not care. It was like a gift falling in his lap to bludgeon Biden with without any regard for journalistic integrity. Greenwald clearly cared more about recklessly destroying Biden's reputation than he did about maintaining his own so I think he is a lost cause.

I think they are way more culpable than you say, irregardless of the psychological reasons behind their motivations. Ultimately, the reason for the motivation does not excuse the action that motivation drove them to commit. These guys play the spoiler card too hard for me to trust them. And I do agree they do that in part because they've been spurned by big players in the media. It is like they have less to lose now and they feel unburdened of the consequences of their actions now that they've been knocked down a peg. But that doesn't excuse any of it even if it explains why they engage in juvenile part-time character assassination.

Sorry to butt in but young people see this world and our political systems very differently than we do. We can actually recall a time when government kinda worked. Today, suicides in young people are going up because many of them feel so hopeless and helpless about the future. Their complaints and issues are not being addressed sufficiently. And I agree with them.

[8516knicks]

I'm about here now -- https://www.theonion.com/report-majority-of-astronauts-feel-deep-sense-of-hatre-1845371286?utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-10-14

[frothbrain]

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Curious how this sits with the few critical thinking Democrats on this forum.
The ones who treat politics as they do their sports teams need not reply.

I have no idea what this is even about. Can you provide a factual source for some background?

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-may-have-identified-hunter-biden-source-2020-10
This article seems to summarize the events thus far.
-Hunter Biden dropped off his broken laptop at a computer repair shop and never collected it.
-In Dec 2019, a FBI agent who previously worked child pornography cases signed off on a subpoena for the laptop.
-The shop owner previously made a copy of the laptop's hard drive and gave it to Giulani's lawyer who has now leaked some of the controversial contents: Hunter's quid pro quo communications related to Burisma, and a photo of him smoking a crack pipe in bed.
-Facebook and Twitter removed the information that has been posted by the NYPost stating that it was hacked, but all evidence points to the shop owner giving Giuliani the information after taking possession of the laptop.

[Clyde_Style]

Agreed fully. The chip on his shoulder is pretty much how he's always been too imo. The sort of thing that made him fun when you agreed with him but he can come off obnoxious when you disagree. I relish that he's become a thorn in Bolsonaro's side (as long as nothing goes bad for him)

I don't think it's malicious intent with regards to his attacks on the Russia investigation though. I think it's more of a "they're trying to play us again" PTSD kinda thing that blinds him to the valid evidence. There is a bit of spite in there though, because when he sees valid stories his retort is usually something along the lines of "yeah but the U.S. does it too" in more eloquent terms...It's a get out of jail free card for deeper discussion (and one I've seen Taibbi and Kulinsky overuse too).

Agreed. Only thing I'd amend is your leniency or discounting malign intent. What's at stake is so momentous that guys like this really become enemies of reason if their flippancy fuels unnecessary chasms in the voting blocs. Look at how many young folks spew this bothsideisms stuff they peddle as an excuse to create false equivalencies between the GOP and the Democrats. And I think the Tara Reade story is clearly malicious in intent, because she was not vetted at all, but Greenwald simply did not care. It was like a gift falling in his lap to bludgeon Biden with without any regard for journalistic integrity. Greenwald clearly cared more about recklessly destroying Biden's reputation than he did about maintaining his own so I think he is a lost cause.

I think they are way more culpable than you say, irregardless of the psychological reasons behind their motivations. Ultimately, the reason for the motivation does not excuse the action that motivation drove them to commit. These guys play the spoiler card too hard for me to trust them. And I do agree they do that in part because they've been spurned by big players in the media. It is like they have less to lose now and they feel unburdened of the consequences of their actions now that they've been knocked down a peg. But that doesn't excuse any of it even if it explains why they engage in juvenile part-time character assassination.

Sorry to butt in but young people see this world and our political systems very differently than we do. We can actually recall a time when government kinda worked. Today, suicides in young people are going up because many of them feel so hopeless and helpless about the future. Their complaints and issues are not being addressed sufficiently. And I agree with them.

In regards to the subject you're replying to that is all the more reason for journalists to behave responsibly. Lying or recklessly hyping up false equivalencies makes them responsible for contaminating the minds of younger people who may already be resentful and/or stressed or depressed. Bias is part of being human, but you surrender the privilege of being recognized as a respected journalist if you engage in unsubstantiated character assassination which obliterates subjective/objective distinctions and enters into the realm of political sabotage.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm about here now -- https://www.theonion.com/report-majority-of-astronauts-feel-deep-sense-of-hatre-1845371286?utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-10-14

Another Onion headline reads:

‘Poll Watching Is Not Voter Intimidation,’ Trump Supporter Whispers Into Ear Of Man Filling Out Ballot In Voting Booth

[thebuzzardman]

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Curious how this sits with the few critical thinking Democrats on this forum.
The ones who treat politics as they do their sports teams need not reply.

I have no idea what this is even about. Can you provide a factual source for some background?

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-may-have-identified-hunter-biden-source-2020-10
This article seems to summarize the events thus far.
-Hunter Biden dropped off his broken laptop at a computer repair shop and never collected it.
-In Dec 2019, a FBI agent who previously worked child pornography cases signed off on a subpoena for the laptop.
-The shop owner previously made a copy of the laptop's hard drive and gave it to Giulani's lawyer who has now leaked some of the controversial contents: Hunter's quid pro quo communications related to Burisma, and a photo of him smoking a crack pipe in bed.
-Facebook and Twitter removed the information that has been posted by the NYPost stating that it was hacked, but all evidence points to the shop owner giving Giuliani the information after taking possession of the laptop.

Guiliani. Seems legit.

[frothbrain]

I have no idea what this is even about. Can you provide a factual source for some background?

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-may-have-identified-hunter-biden-source-2020-10
This article seems to summarize the events thus far.
-Hunter Biden dropped off his broken laptop at a computer repair shop and never collected it.
-In Dec 2019, a FBI agent who previously worked child pornography cases signed off on a subpoena for the laptop.
-The shop owner previously made a copy of the laptop's hard drive and gave it to Giulani's lawyer who has now leaked some of the controversial contents: Hunter's quid pro quo communications related to Burisma, and a photo of him smoking a crack pipe in bed.
-Facebook and Twitter removed the information that has been posted by the NYPost stating that it was hacked, but all evidence points to the shop owner giving Giuliani the information after taking possession of the laptop.

Guiliani. Seems legit.

I only ask that you stay on topic, which is regarding FB and Twitter removing mentions of the article.
FB and Twitter did not state they removed the posts referring to the article because the content was fake, they explicitly stated they are removing the posts because the content was hacked but there is zero evidence of this being case and only evidence it was procured as detailed in the Business Insider article.

[Clyde_Style]

I have no idea what this is even about. Can you provide a factual source for some background?

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-may-have-identified-hunter-biden-source-2020-10
This article seems to summarize the events thus far.
-Hunter Biden dropped off his broken laptop at a computer repair shop and never collected it.
-In Dec 2019, a FBI agent who previously worked child pornography cases signed off on a subpoena for the laptop.
-The shop owner previously made a copy of the laptop's hard drive and gave it to Giulani's lawyer who has now leaked some of the controversial contents: Hunter's quid pro quo communications related to Burisma, and a photo of him smoking a crack pipe in bed.
-Facebook and Twitter removed the information that has been posted by the NYPost stating that it was hacked, but all evidence points to the shop owner giving Giuliani the information after taking possession of the laptop.

Guiliani. Seems legit.

Roo-Dee! Roo-Dee! posts the Trump supporter who claims they are only interested in objective truth.

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This mook claims he doesn't know who dropped off the laptop. DERP! Oh reeeeeeaaaaaalllllyyyy, please tell me more

Go Team Truth!

P.S. anybody here with good photoshop skills want to get paid to make a photo of Trump sleeping with a horse's head?

[frothbrain]

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Twitter's CEO has now released a statement explaining their policy, however the NYPost article did not link to any of the sensitive photos(crack pipe photo really) and they are still saying that this falls under their policy on hacked content, when
1. there is still zero evidence the content was hacked
2. how the content was obtained has been publicized and I am assuming the repair shop owner understands his legal rights when it comes to ownership of abandoned hardware.