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Is RJ Barrett a bust?

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#801 » by Ghetto Gospel » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:01 am

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Name a better two way player from the 2019 draft, matter of fact he's quickly approaching best defensive player from that draft overall. Only Thybulle and maybe Martin are on his level defensively on the wing, and they're soon to be 24 and already 25.
Agreed. We are on RJ because we see him every day. If you watch Zion regualrly you see he can't defend in space, gets outrebounded by a backup 2 guard, and doesn't score much outside of thHe paint.

If you watch Ja regularly you would see that he is scattershot and really thin for his reckless style. He doesn't defend too well yet, either and for all the ja dropping highlights he's stuck at 500.

Familiarity breeds ontempt and we do that with our players far too much.

Randle and Zion are the same animal but we covet one and hate the other.

We have young Jimmy Butler on our team and we're asking if he's a bust. A near 20 point scorer in his second year!

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How is this best two way player in the draft still being peddled.. At this point in time he's a negative on the court, eye test, traditional stats, advanced stats all tell the same picture.

1. Ja might be stuck at .500 but RJ Barrett and the Knicks aren't even at .500 and he's playing with an all star in Randle, who Ja playing with?
2. Jimmy Butler and RJ isn't really a good comparison. Jimmy has always played his ass off which eventually led to him being a leader on the court. He's constantly sacrificing his body on offense and defense, diving for loose balls, taking charges, being everywhere on the court. Do you really see that with RJ? For as much as people say RJ has intangibles up the ass, like bulldog, natural born leader, etc. he really hasn't shown any of them(?) other than maybe being a hard worker in the offseason?
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#802 » by KOA » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:08 am

LaCosaNostra wrote:36th out of 60 among his draft class in Win Shares per 48 minutes.
28th out of 60 among his draft class in Boxscore Plus/Minus.

MEDIOCRE


Yeah, we should have drafted Brandon Clarke...
How many first round picks do you think we need to give up to get him??? :banghead:
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#803 » by LaCosaNostra » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:11 am

Ghetto Gospel wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Name a better two way player from the 2019 draft, matter of fact he's quickly approaching best defensive player from that draft overall. Only Thybulle and maybe Martin are on his level defensively on the wing, and they're soon to be 24 and already 25.
Agreed. We are on RJ because we see him every day. If you watch Zion regualrly you see he can't defend in space, gets outrebounded by a backup 2 guard, and doesn't score much outside of thHe paint.

If you watch Ja regularly you would see that he is scattershot and really thin for his reckless style. He doesn't defend too well yet, either and for all the ja dropping highlights he's stuck at 500.

Familiarity breeds ontempt and we do that with our players far too much.

Randle and Zion are the same animal but we covet one and hate the other.

We have young Jimmy Butler on our team and we're asking if he's a bust. A near 20 point scorer in his second year!

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How is this best two way player in the draft still being peddled.. At this point in time he's a negative on the court, eye test, traditional stats, advanced stats all tell the same picture.

1. Ja might be stuck at .500 but RJ Barrett and the Knicks aren't even at .500 and he's playing with an all star in Randle, who Ja playing with?
2. Jimmy Butler and RJ isn't really a good comparison. Jimmy has always played his ass off which eventually led to him being a leader on the court. He's constantly sacrificing his body on offense and defense, diving for loose balls, taking charges, being everywhere on the court. Do you really see that with RJ? For as much as people say RJ has intangibles up the ass, like bulldog, natural born leader, etc. he really hasn't shown any of them(?) other than maybe being a hard worker in the offseason?


It's easy to praise his "intangibles" because it's impossible to fact check.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#804 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:11 am

BugginOut wrote:So after leading us to a win with clutch baskets against the wolves, RJ has one bad game and y’all ready to drop him.

But Quick who is a year older can go 1-10 for 3 games straight, shooting 39% from the field on the season, and y’all suck him off after he makes a couple step back 3s.

Smh this fan base is so fickle

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#805 » by BugginOut » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:11 am

In his last 20 games RJ averaged 17/6/3 on 47.5/43/77 splits. That includes his few poor games in the middle.

But sure let’s over react since he had another poor game today. Sh*t happens.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#806 » by LaCosaNostra » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:13 am

KOA wrote:
LaCosaNostra wrote:36th out of 60 among his draft class in Win Shares per 48 minutes.
28th out of 60 among his draft class in Boxscore Plus/Minus.

MEDIOCRE


Yeah, we should have drafted Brandon Clarke...
How many first round picks do you think we need to give up to get him??? :banghead:


Sarcasm?

I would have traded the pick...analytics I was reading were predicting this output from RJ pre-draft because, surprise, surprise, he was statistically mediocre in college despite playing with an absolute beast.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#807 » by BugginOut » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:21 am

LaCosaNostra wrote:
KOA wrote:
LaCosaNostra wrote:36th out of 60 among his draft class in Win Shares per 48 minutes.
28th out of 60 among his draft class in Boxscore Plus/Minus.

MEDIOCRE


Yeah, we should have drafted Brandon Clarke...
How many first round picks do you think we need to give up to get him??? :banghead:


Sarcasm?

I would have traded the pick...analytics I was reading were predicting this output from RJ pre-draft because, surprise, surprise, he was statistically mediocre in college despite playing with an absolute beast.

RJS was the best SG in college bball as a freshman, averaged the same amount of points as Zion and was one of the best prospects in duke history. If he was in this draft he would still go top 3.

This revisionist history is crazy. RJ isn’t even having a bad season. He’s on the same trajectory as every other wing prospect in his position expect Lebron and Luka. Ja is shooting 20% from 3 and you don’t hear that he is a bust.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#808 » by LaCosaNostra » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:26 am

BugginOut wrote:
LaCosaNostra wrote:
KOA wrote:
Yeah, we should have drafted Brandon Clarke...
How many first round picks do you think we need to give up to get him??? :banghead:


Sarcasm?

I would have traded the pick...analytics I was reading were predicting this output from RJ pre-draft because, surprise, surprise, he was statistically mediocre in college despite playing with an absolute beast.

RJS was the best SG in college bball as a freshman, averaged the same amount of points as Zion and was one of the best prospects in duke history. If he was in this draft he would still go top 3.

This revisionist history is crazy. RJ isn’t even having a bad season. He’s on the same trajectory as every other wing prospect in his position expect Lebron and Luka. Ja is shooting 20% from 3 and you don’t hear that he is a bust.


I'll agree he was the consensus #3 pick but that's it.

Again, look how his advanced numbers compare against HIS OWN DRAFT CLASS...not good.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#809 » by BugginOut » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:31 am

LaCosaNostra wrote:
BugginOut wrote:
LaCosaNostra wrote:
Sarcasm?

I would have traded the pick...analytics I was reading were predicting this output from RJ pre-draft because, surprise, surprise, he was statistically mediocre in college despite playing with an absolute beast.

RJS was the best SG in college bball as a freshman, averaged the same amount of points as Zion and was one of the best prospects in duke history. If he was in this draft he would still go top 3.

This revisionist history is crazy. RJ isn’t even having a bad season. He’s on the same trajectory as every other wing prospect in his position expect Lebron and Luka. Ja is shooting 20% from 3 and you don’t hear that he is a bust.


I'll agree he was the consensus #3 pick but that's it.

Again, look how his advanced numbers compare against HIS OWN DRAFT CLASS...not good.

Advanced numbers when he is one of the youngest players in his draft class, playing the most minutes mean nothing.

Even still RAPTOR WAR has him ranked 97th in the league this year over Ja Morant and Tyler Herro.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#810 » by LaCosaNostra » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:49 am

BugginOut wrote:
LaCosaNostra wrote:
BugginOut wrote:RJS was the best SG in college bball as a freshman, averaged the same amount of points as Zion and was one of the best prospects in duke history. If he was in this draft he would still go top 3.

This revisionist history is crazy. RJ isn’t even having a bad season. He’s on the same trajectory as every other wing prospect in his position expect Lebron and Luka. Ja is shooting 20% from 3 and you don’t hear that he is a bust.


I'll agree he was the consensus #3 pick but that's it.

Again, look how his advanced numbers compare against HIS OWN DRAFT CLASS...not good.

Advanced numbers when he is one of the youngest players in his draft class, playing the most minutes mean nothing.

Even still RAPTOR WAR has him ranked 97th in the league this year over Ja Morant and Tyler Herro.


Nice find.

But as you point out, he's played a lot of minutes (which you can credit him for)...but he's 136th in RAPTOR this season (so per 100 possessions) and 303rd (!) once you factor in last season.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#811 » by NYKnickerbocker » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:07 pm

Some of y’all don’t deserve one of those extremely rare draft picks that come in playing with star impact from day 1
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#812 » by BugginOut » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:05 am

We were ready to throw the game away and then RJ came in and scored 8 quick points and assisted a Randle 3 and brought us back.

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#813 » by NYK Dolemite » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:25 am

Still “no!”
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Post#814 » by method » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:01 am

BugginOut wrote:We were ready to throw the game away and then RJ came in and scored 8 quick points and assisted a Randle 3 and brought us back.

Read on Twitter


Kid is only 20. if you don't see the potential you are blind at this point:


Fans calling RJ a bust when he just about played a full season...wow. This is why we cant rebuild in NY fans dont have patience. The best part of this season is watching RJ and Mitch and all the young players grow. And Im on record the RJ will be a superstar before all is said then done.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#816 » by DOT » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:23 pm

RJ when this thread was created:

15.4/7/3.6 on 35/13/78 splits, .423 TS, 37.1 mpg


RJ since the creation of this thread:

16.5/6/3 on 45/40/71 splits, .523 TS, 32.7 mpg

I highlight the mpg cause it puts it into context, while the raw numbers are about the same, he's doing it in a good amount less minutes. Went from 15 points per36 to 18.1 per36, which isn't a massive improvement, but combined with the efficiency going up from Frank level TS to merely below average, and he has gotten better this year despite the inconsistencies as of late

That's also not pointing out he won't be able to legally drink in America for 3 and a half more months. Kid's gonna be good.
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Post#817 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:58 pm

K-DOT wrote:RJ when this thread was created:

15.4/7/3.6 on 35/13/78 splits, .423 TS, 37.1 mpg


RJ since the creation of this thread:

16.5/6/3 on 45/40/71 splits, .523 TS, 32.7 mpg

I highlight the mpg cause it puts it into context, while the raw numbers are about the same, he's doing it in a good amount less minutes. Went from 15 points per36 to 18.1 per36, which isn't a massive improvement, but combined with the efficiency going up from Frank level TS to merely below average, and he has gotten better this year despite the inconsistencies as of late

That's also not pointing out he won't be able to legally drink in America for 3 and a half more months. Kid's gonna be good.


This is where the low volume on threes and free throws hurt him the most. You look at those shooting slashes and you’d think he’s having an efficient season but he’s still below average. It’s still great that he’s shooting that well on those low numbers of attempts but let’s hope he’ll be able to translate it on more attempts. That’s gonna be crucial for him taking the next step as a scorer.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#818 » by DOT » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:07 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:RJ when this thread was created:

15.4/7/3.6 on 35/13/78 splits, .423 TS, 37.1 mpg


RJ since the creation of this thread:

16.5/6/3 on 45/40/71 splits, .523 TS, 32.7 mpg

I highlight the mpg cause it puts it into context, while the raw numbers are about the same, he's doing it in a good amount less minutes. Went from 15 points per36 to 18.1 per36, which isn't a massive improvement, but combined with the efficiency going up from Frank level TS to merely below average, and he has gotten better this year despite the inconsistencies as of late

That's also not pointing out he won't be able to legally drink in America for 3 and a half more months. Kid's gonna be good.


This is where the low volume on threes and free throws hurt him the most. You look at those shooting slashes and you’d think he’s having an efficient season but he’s still below average. It’s still great that he’s shooting that well on those low numbers of attempts but let’s hope he’ll be able to translate it on more attempts. That’s gonna be crucial for him taking the next step as a scorer.

Yeah, that's why I always put both splits and TS, cause splits can be kinda misleading by themselves

I'd rather have him shooting 34% on 3.5 attempts a game (which he is this season) than 30% on 5 attempts a game though.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#819 » by NYKnickerbocker » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:15 pm

He’ll up the volume when he’s ready. Brandon Ingram barely took 2 threes a game his first 3 seasons but shot decent %s. Only upped the volume when he knew his shot was legit legit
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Post#820 » by blueNorange » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:24 pm

so much stupid in this thread.
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