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[NoDopeOnSundays]

He literally averaged 27 PPG with Ingram a couple years ago. Pelicans aren't a winning team if Zion is the main one who's dominating the ball. He has no jumper and can't play off the ball. They're a better team when Zion isn't the #1 option.

So, Zion's best scoring year was the only year he averaged more total touches per game than Ingram? You can't say Zion has the ball more than Ingram, the numbers quite literally say Ingram touches the ball more than him in the frontcourt, in time of possession, even down to dribbling the ball more. The only season Zion had more total touches was in 2020-2021 and even then he had the ball less in the front court. Ingram quite literally cannot play off the ball, I'm not even sure what team would maximize him. Zion being on the ball makes sense if he can't shoot, you put shooters around him and let him create more, which is what their plan was with Herb and Trey. If Ingram has the ball what use is Zion if he can't shoot?

I couldn't imagine drafting a guy 1, seeing him score 27ppg on just 34 touches in the frontcourt, then looking over and seeing a guy have 40 front court touches for 23.8ppg and being like "Yeah, that works, we need more of that" no, you get rid of the dude that has the ball more than the more efficient player and you start giving that guy those touches.

Zion's numbers were up that year but it didn't impact winning. They went 31-41 and finished 11th in the conference. The Pelicans realized that and that's why they reduced his role since then and they've made the playoffs twice. They were never good with Zion being the main hub.

Reduced role? He's been hurt. Picking Ingram over Zion would be like the Warriors picking Ellis over Curry. They have the internal data, they have seen both, they want the show to be run by Zion, which is why every move they've made the last year has been about him.

[stuporman]

You're the same guy that said Obi was gonna blossom when he leaves NY

Quote me seriously saying that and not as an ironic taunt or it's just more propaganda from the pantaloons flambé district of melostan.

I literally coined the word nObi during his draft...

Post#606 » by stuporman » Sun Oct 8, 2023 11:58 pm

Obi gonna blossom away from NY and fans gonna be salty but I didn't even want the Knicks to take him though I supported him while he wore the jersey.

Excellent....thanks for showing my ironic taunting as your best evidence, huh.

You should have shown the one where I said the Knicks took a lottery pick and turned it into two second rounders for guy who will score 20PPG, that was the better taunt of the forum to take out of context to push your propaganda.

[stuporman]

You're the same guy that said Obi was gonna blossom when he leaves NY

Fair point but not indicative of being wrong in general.
We all get things wrong, at times.

I just find it funny when dude tryna talk bad about my opinion when his takes are garbage in general

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[3toheadmelo]

So, Zion's best scoring year was the only year he averaged more total touches per game than Ingram? You can't say Zion has the ball more than Ingram, the numbers quite literally say Ingram touches the ball more than him in the frontcourt, in time of possession, even down to dribbling the ball more. The only season Zion had more total touches was in 2020-2021 and even then he had the ball less in the front court. Ingram quite literally cannot play off the ball, I'm not even sure what team would maximize him. Zion being on the ball makes sense if he can't shoot, you put shooters around him and let him create more, which is what their plan was with Herb and Trey. If Ingram has the ball what use is Zion if he can't shoot?

I couldn't imagine drafting a guy 1, seeing him score 27ppg on just 34 touches in the frontcourt, then looking over and seeing a guy have 40 front court touches for 23.8ppg and being like "Yeah, that works, we need more of that" no, you get rid of the dude that has the ball more than the more efficient player and you start giving that guy those touches.

Zion's numbers were up that year but it didn't impact winning. They went 31-41 and finished 11th in the conference. The Pelicans realized that and that's why they reduced his role since then and they've made the playoffs twice. They were never good with Zion being the main hub.

Reduced role? He's been hurt. Picking Ingram over Zion would be like the Warriors picking Ellis over Curry. They have the internal data, they have seen both, they want the show to be run by Zion, which is why every move they've made the last year has been about him.

They literally won 49 games this past season when he played 70 games. His role has been reduced compared and it got them to the playoffs.

Choosing Ingram over Zion isn't even close to choosing Ellis over Curry.. what you talking about?

We just saw last night that the Pelicans still trust Ingram over Zion when it comes to taking the game winning shot. That pretty much is self explanatory.

[3toheadmelo]

Quote me seriously saying that and not as an ironic taunt or it's just more propaganda from the pantaloons flambé district of melostan.

I literally coined the word nObi during his draft...

Post#606 » by stuporman » Sun Oct 8, 2023 11:58 pm

Obi gonna blossom away from NY and fans gonna be salty but I didn't even want the Knicks to take him though I supported him while he wore the jersey.

Excellent....thanks for showing my ironic taunting as your best evidence, huh.

You should have shown the one where I said the Knicks took a lottery pick and turned it into two second rounders for guy who will score 20PPG, that was the better taunt of the forum to take out of context to push your propaganda.

Yeah I figured you wouldn't man up and take the L. Sorry man, receipts dont lie. You really thought Obi was gonna be good once he left NY . Awful take as usual. You should worry about your garbage takes before you try talking like you're some expert. Yikes.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Zion's numbers were up that year but it didn't impact winning. They went 31-41 and finished 11th in the conference. The Pelicans realized that and that's why they reduced his role since then and they've made the playoffs twice. They were never good with Zion being the main hub.

Reduced role? He's been hurt. Picking Ingram over Zion would be like the Warriors picking Ellis over Curry. They have the internal data, they have seen both, they want the show to be run by Zion, which is why every move they've made the last year has been about him.

They literally won 49 games this past season when he played 70 games. His role has been reduced compared and it got them to the playoffs.

Choosing Ingram over Zion isn't even close to choosing Ellis over Curry.. what you talking about?

We just saw last night that the Pelicans still trust Ingram over Zion when it comes to taking the game winning shot. That pretty much is self explanatory.

Yeah, choosing to build around the less efficient player that has redundancy with your franchise player. The Warriors picked Curry over Ellis, just like the Pelicans are picking Zion over Ingram.

Zion was the leading scorer, despite having the ball less than Ingram, hence why they want the ball in Murray and Zion's hands with two 3 & D guys flanking them. The two guys who are replacing Ingram both had better net ratings than him last year.

Them not extending him is self explanatory too. I'm not sure why you're riding for Ingram, he's not a Knick, he will never be a Knick and we're better off without him.

[stuporman]

Excellent....thanks for showing my ironic taunting as your best evidence, huh.

You should have shown the one where I said the Knicks took a lottery pick and turned it into two second rounders for guy who will score 20PPG, that was the better taunt of the forum to take out of context to push your propaganda.

Yeah I figured you wouldn't man up and take the L. Sorry man, receipts dont lie. You really thought Obi was gonna be good once he left NY . Awful take as usual. You should worry about your garbage takes before you try talking like you're some expert. Yikes.

you are so easily deluded

You thinking that a receipt of something

[Guano]

You're the same guy that said Obi was gonna blossom when he leaves NY

Quote me seriously saying that and not as an ironic taunt or it's just more propaganda from the pantaloons flambé district of melostan.

I literally coined the word nObi during his draft...

Post#606 » by stuporman » Sun Oct 8, 2023 11:58 pm

Obi gonna blossom away from NY and fans gonna be salty but I didn't even want the Knicks to take him though I supported him while he wore the jersey.

How tf do you remember other people's takes on a scrub like obi when green arrow can't even remember their own takes.

If you used your power for good this place might improve slightly.

[3toheadmelo]

Quote me seriously saying that and not as an ironic taunt or it's just more propaganda from the pantaloons flambé district of melostan.

I literally coined the word nObi during his draft...

Post#606 » by stuporman » Sun Oct 8, 2023 11:58 pm

Obi gonna blossom away from NY and fans gonna be salty but I didn't even want the Knicks to take him though I supported him while he wore the jersey.

How tf do you remember other people's takes on a scrub like obi when green arrow can't even remember their own takes.

If you used your power for good this place might improve slightly.

Tbh I didn't remember this one. I just know he has bad takes in general so I figured if I searched up Obi under his profile I would find something and I did right away

[stuporman]

Quote me seriously saying that and not as an ironic taunt or it's just more propaganda from the pantaloons flambé district of melostan.

I literally coined the word nObi during his draft...

Post#606 » by stuporman » Sun Oct 8, 2023 11:58 pm

Obi gonna blossom away from NY and fans gonna be salty but I didn't even want the Knicks to take him though I supported him while he wore the jersey.

How tf do you remember other people's takes on a scrub like obi when green arrow can't even remember their own takes.

If you used your power for good this place might improve slightly.

On a forum where half the stuff said is meant to rile each other up with outlandish takes that someone would accept this stuff at face value or use it as 'proof' of anything is bonkers.

This guy is making lists...maybe it's not just GA who has the basement chamber.

[3toheadmelo]

Reduced role? He's been hurt. Picking Ingram over Zion would be like the Warriors picking Ellis over Curry. They have the internal data, they have seen both, they want the show to be run by Zion, which is why every move they've made the last year has been about him.

They literally won 49 games this past season when he played 70 games. His role has been reduced compared and it got them to the playoffs.

Choosing Ingram over Zion isn't even close to choosing Ellis over Curry.. what you talking about?

We just saw last night that the Pelicans still trust Ingram over Zion when it comes to taking the game winning shot. That pretty much is self explanatory.

Yeah, choosing to build around the less efficient player that has redundancy with your franchise player. The Warriors picked Curry over Ellis, just like the Pelicans are picking Zion over Ingram.

Zion was the leading scorer, despite having the ball less than Ingram, hence why they want the ball in Murray and Zion's hands with two 3 & D guys flanking them. The two guys who are replacing Ingram both had better net ratings than him last year.

Them not extending him is self explanatory too. I'm not sure why you're riding for Ingram, he's not a Knick, he will never be a Knick and we're better off without him.

Curry is a generational player. Zion ain't that. So that comparison is like comparing apples to oranges. Zion is a worse Randle.

Mf you trying to use net rating now when you said you didn't care about it when they all have KAT as a losing player

Zion wasn't the leading scorer last night. Hawkins was.

I'm not riding for Ingram and actually not much of a fan of his. Was just saying it was better to go all in on him than Mikal if we want to be up there with Boston. Clearly, we're way behind from Boston with the moves we made.

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[Chanel Bomber]

Zion's numbers were up that year but it didn't impact winning. They went 31-41 and finished 11th in the conference. The Pelicans realized that and that's why they reduced his role since then and they've made the playoffs twice. They were never good with Zion being the main hub.

Reduced role? He's been hurt. Picking Ingram over Zion would be like the Warriors picking Ellis over Curry. They have the internal data, they have seen both, they want the show to be run by Zion, which is why every move they've made the last year has been about him.

They literally won 49 games this past season when he played 70 games. His role has been reduced compared and it got them to the playoffs.

Choosing Ingram over Zion isn't even close to choosing Ellis over Curry.. what you talking about?

We just saw last night that the Pelicans still trust Ingram over Zion when it comes to taking the game winning shot. That pretty much is self explanatory.

Zion is twice the player Ingram is.

Ingram's a ball stopper who scores on middling efficiency and who struggles to fit into any collective system.

He may have better shot creation skills in crunch time but Zion's a far superior player.

The Pelicans had a more successful season than the two previous seasons in large part because Zion played 70 games vs 29 and 0 the two years prior.

Ingram raises their talent level but I don't think he has any significant impact on winning for them.

[Chanel Bomber]

They literally won 49 games this past season when he played 70 games. His role has been reduced compared and it got them to the playoffs.

Choosing Ingram over Zion isn't even close to choosing Ellis over Curry.. what you talking about?

We just saw last night that the Pelicans still trust Ingram over Zion when it comes to taking the game winning shot. That pretty much is self explanatory.

Yeah, choosing to build around the less efficient player that has redundancy with your franchise player. The Warriors picked Curry over Ellis, just like the Pelicans are picking Zion over Ingram.

Zion was the leading scorer, despite having the ball less than Ingram, hence why they want the ball in Murray and Zion's hands with two 3 & D guys flanking them. The two guys who are replacing Ingram both had better net ratings than him last year.

Them not extending him is self explanatory too. I'm not sure why you're riding for Ingram, he's not a Knick, he will never be a Knick and we're better off without him.

Curry is a generational player. Zion ain't that. So that comparison is like comparing apples to oranges. Zion is a worse Randle.

Mf you trying to use net rating now when you said you didn't care about it when they all have KAT as a losing player

Zion wasn't the leading scorer last night. Hawkins was.

I'm not riding for Ingram and actually not much of a fan of his. Was just saying it was better to go all in on him than Mikal if we want to be up there with Boston. Clearly, we're way behind from Boston with the moves we made.

I've expressed skepticism and shared my concerns about the Mikal trade, but I think he's a better team player than Ingram. Between the two, I'm taking Mikal without much hesitation. Ingram's a solo act and not a great one at that - Mikal has at least proven his ability to contribute to a team with legitimate championship aspirations.

[TheGreenArrow]

Yeah, choosing to build around the less efficient player that has redundancy with your franchise player. The Warriors picked Curry over Ellis, just like the Pelicans are picking Zion over Ingram.

Zion was the leading scorer, despite having the ball less than Ingram, hence why they want the ball in Murray and Zion's hands with two 3 & D guys flanking them. The two guys who are replacing Ingram both had better net ratings than him last year.

Them not extending him is self explanatory too. I'm not sure why you're riding for Ingram, he's not a Knick, he will never be a Knick and we're better off without him.

Curry is a generational player. Zion ain't that. So that comparison is like comparing apples to oranges. Zion is a worse Randle.

Mf you trying to use net rating now when you said you didn't care about it when they all have KAT as a losing player

Zion wasn't the leading scorer last night. Hawkins was.

I'm not riding for Ingram and actually not much of a fan of his. Was just saying it was better to go all in on him than Mikal if we want to be up there with Boston. Clearly, we're way behind from Boston with the moves we made.

I've expressed skepticism and shared my concerns about the Mikal trade, but I think he's a better team player than Ingram. Between the two, I'm taking Mikal without much hesitation. Ingram's a solo act and not a great one at that - Mikal has at least proven his ability to contribute to a team with legitimate championship aspirations.

All 3tothehead cares about is isolation basketball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iso good and team ball bad according to 3tothehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guano]

Arguing with melo is like arguing with a drunk.

No chance of resolution, changes topics, unhinged, makes you question why and how you ended up discussing a silly topic, but often entertaining.

I mean no sane basketball fan would entertain BI vs Zion. Everyone is taking Zion. But melo has multiple people in his snare.

[Chanel Bomber]

Curry is a generational player. Zion ain't that. So that comparison is like comparing apples to oranges. Zion is a worse Randle.

Mf you trying to use net rating now when you said you didn't care about it when they all have KAT as a losing player

Zion wasn't the leading scorer last night. Hawkins was.

I'm not riding for Ingram and actually not much of a fan of his. Was just saying it was better to go all in on him than Mikal if we want to be up there with Boston. Clearly, we're way behind from Boston with the moves we made.

I've expressed skepticism and shared my concerns about the Mikal trade, but I think he's a better team player than Ingram. Between the two, I'm taking Mikal without much hesitation. Ingram's a solo act and not a great one at that - Mikal has at least proven his ability to contribute to a team with legitimate championship aspirations.

All 3tothehead cares about is isolation basketball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iso good and team ball bad according to 3tothehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3toheadmaggette is the basketball antichrist!!!!!

My theory's that he hates the sport!!!!!!!!!!!

There's no other explanation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Arguing with melo is like arguing with a drunk.

No chance of resolution, changes topics, unhinged, makes you question why and how you ended up discussing a silly topic, but often entertaining.

I mean no sane basketball fan would entertain BI vs Zion. Everyone is taking Zion. But melo has multiple people in his snare.

[Clyde_Style]

Curry is a generational player. Zion ain't that. So that comparison is like comparing apples to oranges. Zion is a worse Randle.

Mf you trying to use net rating now when you said you didn't care about it when they all have KAT as a losing player

Zion wasn't the leading scorer last night. Hawkins was.

I'm not riding for Ingram and actually not much of a fan of his. Was just saying it was better to go all in on him than Mikal if we want to be up there with Boston. Clearly, we're way behind from Boston with the moves we made.

I've expressed skepticism and shared my concerns about the Mikal trade, but I think he's a better team player than Ingram. Between the two, I'm taking Mikal without much hesitation. Ingram's a solo act and not a great one at that - Mikal has at least proven his ability to contribute to a team with legitimate championship aspirations.

All 3tothehead cares about is isolation basketball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iso good and team ball bad according to 3tothehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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