PG: Knicks vs Celtics: Season opener!

[3toheadmelo]

Ok Ill play that game. Who on Miami are we getting. Because there is zero chance Miami would trade Bam for Randle he's one of the best bigs in the NBA. I also don't think Miami trades Herro for Randle either that would make zero sense for them.

So now we are talking Rozier + Duncan Robinson. I'm not saying a team wouldn't take Randle if it was basically for dirt cheap which is how Miami operates. But who are we getting you have to answer that question. And I don't know is exactly my point. No one was giving an all-star caliber player in return for Randle by himself.

Bruh you still missing the point. I’m not hear to argue about who and what we could’ve gotten for Randle. The truth is no one knows. What sham is saying if we gotten a big time player for Randle, we wouldn’t be complaining. It’s simple as that.

how is this semantics...that WASN'T AVAILABLE!!!

if it was Giannis would be wearing a knicks jersey right now. It takes two to tango.

When did I say Giannis was available in the past? Please show me where.

It’s possible he might become available. He literally said if they don’t win the chip this year, he thinks he’s getting traded. The smart move would’ve been to wait for him instead of doubling down on a move that literally changed the whole identity of the team.

[Fury]

Bruh you still missing the point. I’m not hear to argue about who and what we could’ve gotten for Randle. The truth is no one knows. What sham is saying if we gotten a big time player for Randle, we wouldn’t be complaining. It’s simple as that.

how is this semantics...that WASN'T AVAILABLE!!!

if it was Giannis would be wearing a knicks jersey right now. It takes two to tango.

When did I say Giannis was available in the past? Please show me where.

It’s possible he might become available. He literally said if they don’t win the chip this year, he thinks he’s getting traded. The smart move would’ve been to wait for him instead of doubling down on a move that literally changed the whole identity of the team.

I think the issue was the extension. The Knicks felt like they had to do something ASAP before they get stuck in a position they did not want to be in.

I also think they had no choice but to change the identity of the team when Hartenstein left and you can't depend on Mitch. It was either extend Randle, or trade for someone who is a star if you could. As flawed as he is, KAT is like a star/borderline star. And he is able to play two positions we needed to fill.

[mpharris36]

Bruh you still missing the point. I’m not hear to argue about who and what we could’ve gotten for Randle. The truth is no one knows. What sham is saying if we gotten a big time player for Randle, we wouldn’t be complaining. It’s simple as that.

how is this semantics...that WASN'T AVAILABLE!!!

if it was Giannis would be wearing a knicks jersey right now. It takes two to tango.

When did I say Giannis was available in the past? Please show me where.

It’s possible he might become available. He literally said if they don’t win the chip this year, he thinks he’s getting traded. The smart move would’ve been to wait for him instead of doubling down on a move that literally changed the whole identity of the team.

Because one of your talking pts have been why not just wait for Giannis, I'm not saying just Giannis...name all the "big time" players that are being moved right now? And I'm saying we didn't have a package to get Giannis even if we wanted. And Giannis said after the season. Randle expiring wouldn't be able to be traded in the offseason because he would have opted out. You could have only used his expiring this offseason or before trade deadline...otherwise he has all the leverage because he was opting out. I think what is being missed is the time crunch to trade his contract we were in (if that was the route we were taking).

Now as for available guys I do think we probably could have gotten Ingram for Randle/Divo or Randle+Mitch. I'm guessing you are taking that deal over KAT. My belief we would be worse with that trade but thats probably at least a realistic type trade.

[Iron Mantis]

Leon made the right move getting an All-star player for Randle this off-season.

Randle's contract situation made it imperative to trade him if they couldn't agree on an extension.

[mpharris36]

Jarrett Allen probably another target we probably could have gotten for Randle and picks. I think his name has been floated around by the board by a few people. That probably would have been realistic.

I get the direction that probably makes us better defensively. I do think you then have a gaping hole with your #2 option on offense. And basically asking Brunson to do all the playmaking/scoring.

[Guano]

I actually think that it’s odd frequenting spaces that you hate. It’s a curious obsession, like a vegan at a steakhouse. Fan boards like this function to accommodate fans that root for team success. A few folks apparently like going to concerts to boo from the stands. The negativity is nothing but attention seeking behavior. It’s obvious because they post the most, which is once again very odd. The better the team gets, the louder the trolls squawk. It’s just something that takes getting used to.

Additionally, for some, it's more about an individual player than the team.

If something goes awry with their favorite player then they become miserable.

And if they can't be happy then no one can be happy.

The flip side of that is those who irrationally target one player and blame them for all the teams woes and openly root for the player to fail.

They ignore that players contribution and positives, and they prioritize that players failure over team success.

Those insufferable fans are no better.

Begrudgingly have to admit Chanel was right

This board really is full of bad people.

[JBreezeNY]

Jarrett Allen probably another target we probably could have gotten for Randle and picks. I think his name has been floated around by the board by a few people. That probably would have been realistic.

I get the direction that probably makes us better defensively. I do think you then have a gaping hole with your #2 option on offense. And basically asking Brunson to do all the playmaking/scoring.

I do like that option If we went after Jarrett. I will say though, lowkey that would be repeating 2012 again. Way too much to ask of Brunson offensively and he’d be dead tired by the playoffs.

I really think Kat was the best option given the contract circumstances and play style we were going after.

Any chance Kat can morph defensively like Larry Johnson?

That’s essentially our best hope honestly.

[mpharris36]

I also have been on record I don't think the moves are fail proof. When making big moves like there you can potentially upset a lot of different factors. I am not the biggest KAT guy but I certainly wasn't a big Randle guy either but at least understood what he brought to the team in terms of scoring and attention.

I just don't think some are being realistic on the timeline the franchise had with the Randle contract. Once the extension deadline came and went I don't think doing nothing especially with what wasn't in the building anymore (ihart and mitch injury and overall health). Just running it back without our bigs would have made any sense either...then the uncertainty of Randle leaving could us in a terrible spot in terms of the CBA without being able to replace that production.

So I can't fault the org for making the moves.

Thats my overall 2 cents...just knowing it will take time for the team to gel but hopefully we look way better then what we did against BOS

[Guano]

I'm just curious as to who the KAT-trade critics wanted at the 5 with iHart gone and Mitch sidelined.

Randle? Sims?

Precious, ok, but is a KAT-Precious frontcourt any worse than Randle-Precious?

And is Randle even tradable for a superstar like Giannis with a 4-year, 40 million plus contract extension, since you don't want to lose him for nothing?

We'll see how the trade pans out and I'm open to the possibility that my stance on it will be proven wrong.

But the trade that killed our flexibility was the Mikal trade.

What does any of that matter when criticizing KAT?

Can we only be critical of KAT based on what our other options were?

Cause that's giving sham a free pass for beign an Allonzo Trier fan cause the rest of the roster was trash.

Also The mikal trade being bad or worse doesn't negate criticizing KAT.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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And? You don't see me giving up on the season or any player after one game. KAT is here and I'm giving him a fair chance.

nobody gave up on the season. in fact i said they would probably win about as many games as the last 2 years.

but you can't criticize people for their "terrible takes" who are still being vocal about not liking the deal when you had the same exact take before we made the deal.

You weren't even high on the Brunson signing, you basically don't like anything.

[mpharris36]

I'm just curious as to who the KAT-trade critics wanted at the 5 with iHart gone and Mitch sidelined.

Randle? Sims?

Precious, ok, but is a KAT-Precious frontcourt any worse than Randle-Precious?

And is Randle even tradable for a superstar like Giannis with a 4-year, 40 million plus contract extension, since you don't want to lose him for nothing?

We'll see how the trade pans out and I'm open to the possibility that my stance on it will be proven wrong.

But the trade that killed our flexibility was the Mikal trade.

What does any of that matter when criticizing KAT?

Can we only be critical of KAT based on what are other options were?

Cause that's giving sham a free pass for beign an Allonzo Trier fan cause the rest of the roster was trash.

Also The mikal trade being bad or worse doesn't negate criticizing KAT.

Its fair to comment on KATs game and criticize if he isn't playing well but its also fair to compare KAT's impact to Randle's impact because those were the two biggest pieces moved. If we didn't make the move its very fair to ask who is playing center for the Knicks right now?

Its also not fair to pin the celtics 3 point barrage solely on KAT. For a team just playing together defense and rotations will take time. Its not a video game.

[god shammgod]

And? You don't see me giving up on the season or any player after one game. KAT is here and I'm giving him a fair chance.

nobody gave up on the season. in fact i said they would probably win about as many games as the last 2 years.

but you can't criticize people for their "terrible takes" who are still being vocal about not liking the deal when you had the same exact take before we made the deal.

You weren't even high on the Brunson signing, you basically don't like anything.

i don't like you

[mpharris36]

And? You don't see me giving up on the season or any player after one game. KAT is here and I'm giving him a fair chance.

nobody gave up on the season. in fact i said they would probably win about as many games as the last 2 years.

but you can't criticize people for their "terrible takes" who are still being vocal about not liking the deal when you had the same exact take before we made the deal.

You weren't even high on the Brunson signing, you basically don't like anything.

to be fair...old men don't like change

[NoDopeOnSundays]

nobody gave up on the season. in fact i said they would probably win about as many games as the last 2 years.

but you can't criticize people for their "terrible takes" who are still being vocal about not liking the deal when you had the same exact take before we made the deal.

You weren't even high on the Brunson signing, you basically don't like anything.

i don't like you

Praise be to Allah, if you did like me my ankles would probably explode and I'd start wearing Pelle Pelle to meetings.

[god shammgod]

You weren't even high on the Brunson signing, you basically don't like anything.

i don't like you

Praise be to Allah, if you did like me my ankles would probably explode and I'd start wearing Pelle Pelle to meetings.

this is how you dress for meetings

[NoDopeOnSundays]

i don't like you

Praise be to Allah, if you did like me my ankles would probably explode and I'd start wearing Pelle Pelle to meetings.

this is how you dress for meetings

That's you in the blue power rangers outfit, Sunday morning calling people devils on 138th and Lenox with the other Hebrew Israelites

[god shammgod]

i never understood why these motherf*ckers needed to dress up like the parliament funkadelic

[Guano]

stop it.

no you stop it.

[god shammgod]

looking for the perfect beat type outfits

Watch on YouTube

[Guano]

I'm just curious as to who the KAT-trade critics wanted at the 5 with iHart gone and Mitch sidelined.

Randle? Sims?

Precious, ok, but is a KAT-Precious frontcourt any worse than Randle-Precious?

And is Randle even tradable for a superstar like Giannis with a 4-year, 40 million plus contract extension, since you don't want to lose him for nothing?

We'll see how the trade pans out and I'm open to the possibility that my stance on it will be proven wrong.

But the trade that killed our flexibility was the Mikal trade.

What does any of that matter when criticizing KAT?

Can we only be critical of KAT based on what are other options were?

Cause that's giving sham a free pass for beign an Allonzo Trier fan cause the rest of the roster was trash.

Also The mikal trade being bad or worse doesn't negate criticizing KAT.

Its fair to comment on KATs game and criticize if he isn't playing well but its also fair to compare KAT's impact to Randle's impact because those were the two biggest pieces moved. If we didn't make the move its very fair to ask who is playing center for the Knicks right now?

Its also not fair to pin the celtics 3 point barrage solely on KAT. For a team just playing together defense and rotations will take time. Its not a video game.

It's fair to be critical of the kat move based solely on his 9 years of service in the league. And it's also fair to criticize him as the 2nd star they locked in next to Brunsons prime. Both of those are concerns regardless of who was going to play center for the Knicks.

Just because A was worse than B doesn't make B good. That math doesn't math.