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liknicks7 wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:liknicks7 wrote:Um ok. What are you talking about?
You said after next year that our team will be better than their team and i asked how do you know that....basically.
I'm saying if Melo signs here. Obvi if Melo does not our team will be garbage.
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xTheHunterx wrote:GONYK wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:The issue isn't even what the Bulls have to offer. The issue is what does Melo want to do. If he doesn't want to play in Chicago, then it really doesn't matter what the Bulls offer. There's really no way either team is negotiating serious terms if Melo hasn't even made a decision either. Once he makes a decision, it'll swing leverage.
The only thing that will swing leverage is Melo willing to play for $15m in Chicago.
If Melo is really willing to play in Chicago for such a huge discount then we dont have much leverage.
But since he likely isnt willing to play for only 15-16 million, we arent going to bend over backwards to help him and the Bulls pay him what he desires. Many Bulls fans still dont understand this.
The Lakers on the other hand do have cap space, and if we for whatever reason do a sign and trade with the Lakers, we will get crap in return because they hold all the power. The Bulls dont.
SelbyCobra wrote:IrishBeatdown wrote:Lets be honest, NYK would S&T him for a first rounder if it came down to it, if it doesn't involve taking on Boozer, Phil isn't going to turn down assets out of pride.
But as you say later in posts, they have to clear the space to sign him outright at the money he wants. The only reason teams were "forced" to accept S&T for stars in the past was to get the extra year for the player, and that's not possible anymore. You either have the money to sign the player outright, or you have to bend to the team that's trading him in order to get the player on your roster at the money he wants.
There is no longer any "recouping whatever possible" aspect to S&Ts under the new CBA because the trading team can't pass the 5th year or annual increases on to the accepting team.
The entirety of you and everyone else who is discussing a S&T using terms such as "if it came down to it" and "something rather than nothing" have a fundamentally incorrect understanding of the new CBA rules.
There are quite literally only two scenarios involving Melo to the Bulls:
1) The Bulls clear enough space to give him his desired salary outright.
2) The Bulls do not have enough money to give Melo his desired salary outright, but he wants to play there.
In scenario one the Knicks have no leverage and just get boned over. Lose Melo, no assets returned.
In scenario two the Bulls are completely at the Knicks' mercy. They have to satisfy the Knicks or PJax just sits there with his hands folded smiling.
But again, these trade scenarios where the Knicks have no leverage and are being forced into accepting assets are misinformed fan ramblings based on the previous CBA, not the current one.
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CoolKids wrote:xTheHunterx wrote:GONYK wrote:
The only thing that will swing leverage is Melo willing to play for $15m in Chicago.
If Melo is really willing to play in Chicago for such a huge discount then we dont have much leverage.
But since he likely isnt willing to play for only 15-16 million, we arent going to bend over backwards to help him and the Bulls pay him what he desires. Many Bulls fans still dont understand this.
The Lakers on the other hand do have cap space, and if we for whatever reason do a sign and trade with the Lakers, we will get crap in return because they hold all the power. The Bulls dont.
thats his point
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BeagleBoss wrote:Such bs! It's not 2010! Gasol is not that intriguing to play with!!
Moose wrote:I'm fine with dealing Melo and JR for Mirotic, MCD, three firsts (sac and cleveland swap), as well as a 2016nd rounder, Boozer, and filler.
I wouldn't want to sign a 30-year-old Melo to 25mill a year with this team and our situation. I wouldn't go over 20 mill per.
I've literally said this a dozen times. Not all Knicks fans think that this specific Bulls offer is crap. Some may spew that it is, but I think it is fair for the circumstances of both teams. Outside of adding both Mirotic and MCD (instead 1 out of the 2), the Bulls would do this trade. And honestly, if it comes down to not having Melo or having Melo, they would add both (Mirotic and MCD).
IrishBeatdown wrote:Lets be honest, NYK would S&T him for a first rounder if it came down to it...
