Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[Luv those Knicks]

I can't be mad at accidentally tanking. The idea of drafting a superstar is much better than 37 wins.

Except we could of "accidentally" tanked and had 70 mil in cap space or at worst 56 mil if we did nothing but sign 1 year deals and kept RoLo.

Since this is the bed they made they bête figure it out

That's what I wanted them to do. Derrick Rose was fine cause he was a 1 and done contract. The others, saving space was what I wanted. Stupid Phil thinks he can zen his way to victory. It's not that easy.

[NOOB77]

The good teams don't need him, and he won't approve a trade to a bad team. He ain't going anywhere.

Clippers would. Cleveland wouldn't say no if you can find another destination for Love. Like I said, return won't be great. Houston?

There are ways, dude. There are ways.

Clippers have nothing to offer except Crawford, and Wesley Johnson, who both have multiple years left. Why would the Knicks accept that?

Cleveland just won with Love. Why would they break up their core? They'd keep Love and send us Shumpert + fillers. Again why would the Knicks accept that?

To get Melo the terrible cancer player holding the entire franchise back out of here right? Accept anything. Addition by subtraction

[Sark]

Clippers would. Cleveland wouldn't say no if you can find another destination for Love. Like I said, return won't be great. Houston?

There are ways, dude. There are ways.

Clippers have nothing to offer except Crawford, and Wesley Johnson, who both have multiple years left. Why would the Knicks accept that?

Cleveland just won with Love. Why would they break up their core? They'd keep Love and send us Shumpert + fillers. Again why would the Knicks accept that?

To get Melo the terrible cancer player holding the entire franchise back out of here right? Accept anything. Addition by subtraction

Fck that. I don't want more albatross contracts, like we had with Jose. At least Melo sells tickets.

We can just go about our tank, and that's that.

[Iron Mantis]

I can't be mad at accidentally tanking. The idea of drafting a superstar is much better than 37 wins.

Except we could of "accidentally" tanked and had 70 mil in cap space or at worst 56 mil if we did nothing but sign 1 year deals and kept RoLo.

Since this is the bed they made they bête figure it out

That's what I wanted them to do. Derrick Rose was fine cause he was a 1 and done contract. The others, saving space was what I wanted. Stupid Phil thinks he can zen his way to victory. It's not that easy.

Or...Zen his way to the 1st overall pick.

The signings were merely a cover-up to make fans think we can compete. They are tradeable contracts.

Meanwhile in the background, we are secretly forced to run the "triangle defense" in practice, which translates very clearly into a tank move.

[NOOB77]

After thinking about it I think the major problem that the Knicks have is confusion and our bench is awful. When I look on the court everyone seems to be thinking about what they are doing instead of just playing.

Nobody knows what offense we are running half the time. Nobody knows where to be on the court. Are we running triangle this time down? Are we doing PnR? Who is in the PnR? When do I cut where do I cut to?

Defense are we switching? Hedging screens? Go under? Double? Go over? Double and recover? Who rotates where? Should I help and rotate back to my man or is someone covering for me?

There seems to be to much confusion on the court and it is causing the disinterested look and attitude from our players. They are all vets except KP and they come out every day and talk about doing this and doing that but when they get on the court there is confusion about how that needs to get done.


That is on coaching and Phil. IMO. This team while may not be the best constructed team has talent to at least compete night in and night out. They have Vets that are willing to compete but something is missing and I believe it is all about coaching and management mix messages.

[3toheadmelo]

I'm just so disappointed in our team. Like I know our team barely had any time to practice and play together but we look 10 steps behind on offense and defense. That win against Memphis was a fking fluke, they're so trash. Like when have we ever been this bad so early in a season? By time time our team gels together it will be too late. We'll probably be like 3-15 by then. Like I'm so pissed I just wanna blowup this team, and it's only been the third game. I thought rose would be decent but man he can't pass for ****. We should've just kept Lopez. ****. Sry for rant

[god shammgod]

Except we could of "accidentally" tanked and had 70 mil in cap space or at worst 56 mil if we did nothing but sign 1 year deals and kept RoLo.

Since this is the bed they made they bête figure it out

That's what I wanted them to do. Derrick Rose was fine cause he was a 1 and done contract. The others, saving space was what I wanted. Stupid Phil thinks he can zen his way to victory. It's not that easy.

Or...Zen his way to the 1st overall pick.

The signings were merely a cover-up to make fans think we can compete. They are tradeable contracts.

Meanwhile in the background, we are secretly forced to run the "triangle defense" in practice, which translates very clearly into a tank move.

who is taking noah or lance thomas ?

[knicks lurker]

why is coach benching KP the last two games? its not like any of the other bigs are playing any better. we dont need to screw up his psyche

[Wolfgang630]

After thinking about it I think the major problem that the Knicks have is confusion and our bench is awful. When I look on the court everyone seems to be thinking about what they are doing instead of just playing.

Nobody knows what offense we are running half the time. Nobody knows where to be on the court. Are we running triangle this time down? Are we doing PnR? Who is in the PnR? When do I cut where do I cut to?

Defense are we switching? Hedging screens? Go under? Double? Go over? Double and recover? Who rotates where? Should I help and rotate back to my man or is someone covering for me?

There seems to be to much confusion on the court and it is causing the disinterested look and attitude from our players. They are all vets except KP and they come out every day and talk about doing this and doing that but when they get on the court there is confusion about how that needs to get done.


That is on coaching and Phil. IMO. This team while may not be the best constructed team has talent to at least compete night in and night out. They have Vets that are willing to compete but something is missing and I believe it is all about coaching and management mix messages.

I agree it's on coaching and Phil. They need to figure it out because the vets look confused. When you have someone like Lee (who's known for defense) saying they're practicing against the triangle then there's a problem with the Coach and going up.

[Capn'O]

Clippers would. Cleveland wouldn't say no if you can find another destination for Love. Like I said, return won't be great. Houston?

There are ways, dude. There are ways.

Clippers have nothing to offer except Crawford, and Wesley Johnson, who both have multiple years left. Why would the Knicks accept that?

Cleveland just won with Love. Why would they break up their core? They'd keep Love and send us Shumpert + fillers. Again why would the Knicks accept that?

To get Melo the terrible cancer player holding the entire franchise back out of here right? Accept anything. Addition by subtraction

Nobody on either side of this discussion seems to grasp who is in control of whether Melo gets traded.

Spoiler:

[duetta]

This thread has become a toxic dump. We need to call the EPA in to begin cleanup.

[DaGawd]

The Knicks will find a way to ruin KP.. if not the organization the fanbase will..

[NOOB77]

I watched some of the highlights from the Pistons game and one play really stood out because it pointed to what I was talking about above.

The play where Morris shook Melo and got all the way to the basket for a lay-up. First problem bad individual defense. Melo was way to aggressive to start the set and over played and overreacted to Morris first move so he got blown by. Second problem when you watch the play both KP and Noah are either standing in the paint or standing on the opposite block. Neither player rotated over to cover that mistake? Why how can that even happen? Noah and KP both have better defensive IQ than to let a player have a free lay-up. But they both stood and watched him lay it in. Last year KP would have went hard after the block even if he gave a lay-up to his man. Noah from watching his Bulls days would have slide over to try and take the charge and if they dumped it off to his man for a lay-up he would have yelled at someone for not rotating down to cover him. Instead none of that happened and they just watched.

That is just one play but is sums up all the issues we are having on defense.

[HEZI]

After thinking about it I think the major problem that the Knicks have is confusion and our bench is awful. When I look on the court everyone seems to be thinking about what they are doing instead of just playing.

Nobody knows what offense we are running half the time. Nobody knows where to be on the court. Are we running triangle this time down? Are we doing PnR? Who is in the PnR? When do I cut where do I cut to?

Defense are we switching? Hedging screens? Go under? Double? Go over? Double and recover? Who rotates where? Should I help and rotate back to my man or is someone covering for me?

There seems to be to much confusion on the court and it is causing the disinterested look and attitude from our players. They are all vets except KP and they come out every day and talk about doing this and doing that but when they get on the court there is confusion about how that needs to get done.


That is on coaching and Phil. IMO. This team while may not be the best constructed team has talent to at least compete night in and night out. They have Vets that are willing to compete but something is missing and I believe it is all about coaching and management mix messages.

Exactly! I think Phil needs to just let everybody do their job and stay out of the way. He holds triangle tutorial sessions after the season, then proceeds to hire a coach with no triangle experience. He then turns over 80% of the roster in one offseason. He then forces his coach to implement the triangle, despite the coach not having a background in teaching it and despite the roster being unfamiliar with eachother. To make things even worse, the players he brought in are not even triangle type of players and the only ones who are (Baker,NDour,Hernangomez,Sasha,Plumlee) are not even in the rotation.

Phil needs to just stay out of it, unless he wants to personally coach the team himself, just stick to being the president and leave the coaching up to the coaches.

[Sark]

Clippers have nothing to offer except Crawford, and Wesley Johnson, who both have multiple years left. Why would the Knicks accept that?

Cleveland just won with Love. Why would they break up their core? They'd keep Love and send us Shumpert + fillers. Again why would the Knicks accept that?

To get Melo the terrible cancer player holding the entire franchise back out of here right? Accept anything. Addition by subtraction

Nobody on either side of this discussion seems to grasp who is in control of whether Melo gets traded.

Spoiler:

Phil Jackson.

[Capn'O]

To get Melo the terrible cancer player holding the entire franchise back out of here right? Accept anything. Addition by subtraction

Nobody on either side of this discussion seems to grasp who is in control of whether Melo gets traded.

Spoiler:

Phil Jackson.

Nope. He's in control of managing the return from the teams Melo approves to be traded to if and only if Melo asks for a trade (or approves of a trade on the table that Phil brings to him).

[Sark]

Nobody on either side of this discussion seems to grasp who is in control of whether Melo gets traded.

Spoiler:

Phil Jackson.

Nope. He's in control of managing the return of the teams Melo approves to be traded to if and only if Melo asks for a trade (or approves of a trade on the table that Phil brings to him).

Melo has to ask to be traded, and Phil decides whether or not he will do it. Melo can't force him to make a trade. Melo just has control over the destination, and can say no if he doesn't want to leave. He has 0 control over the terms.

[Poohdini1]

Rose really not that bad don't blame dude for calling his number the offense is trash. Idk wtf Phil did but the team looks completely different than the one that played against Memphis Saturday.

He can still get to the rim, but production wise he's been bad. One could easily make the argument that a big reason why the offense is trash is because Rose is the one who's running it.

Whatever offense they're running isn't his strength. He's a scoring/pick and roll point guard.

[Poohdini1]

Rose really not that bad don't blame dude for calling his number the offense is trash. Idk wtf Phil did but the team looks completely different than the one that played against Memphis Saturday.

a rose fan defending rose.

rose is garbage and has been garbage for 2 years now.

Define garbage. It just looks worse because his ceiling was MVP and he's not close to that anymore.

[Iron Mantis]

That's what I wanted them to do. Derrick Rose was fine cause he was a 1 and done contract. The others, saving space was what I wanted. Stupid Phil thinks he can zen his way to victory. It's not that easy.

Or...Zen his way to the 1st overall pick.

The signings were merely a cover-up to make fans think we can compete. They are tradeable contracts.

Meanwhile in the background, we are secretly forced to run the "triangle defense" in practice, which translates very clearly into a tank move.

who is taking noah or lance thomas ?

Lol IDK but one team's trash is another team's treasure.