Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis

AmazingJason · Post #821 » by **AmazingJason** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:04 pm

K P 6 wrote:
MKCATL wrote:The Cavs are gonna cave.

We dont want Shumpert back sorry.

Let's take JR, Shump and Frye.

Full circle

F N 11 · Post #822 » by **F N 11** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:04 pm

Thank God we not playing tonight so Melo wont be like "blah blah blah blah blah"

Mecca · Post #823 » by **Mecca** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:05 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
MKCATL wrote:The Cavs are gonna cave.

Lebron gets what he wants. If he wants him he'll get him.

LeBron is an awful GM and doesn't care about the future. He's going to ask for that Love/Melo swap. It just comes down to Phil using Love to ship to Boston. That's where we really eat.

ibraheim718 · Post #824 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:05 pm

frogfood wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Sark wrote:Bye Melo.

haha bro, to you this is what the germans must've felt when the wall went down.

I'll keep my word and disappear if he's gone.No way I let this forum ruin my Knick fandom again... none.

Post #825 » by **NoLayupRule** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:06 pm

Mecca wrote:Keep in mind, the difference between keeping/trading Melo is a top 5 pick and a bottom of the lotto pick. That alone is another reason to move Melo.

right

because were winning so many games right now

and the only way to lose is to trade our best player?

false Mecca, sorry man

if this team wants to tank we can just tank
we dont need to make a bad trade

F N 11 · Post #826 » by **F N 11** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:06 pm

Mecca wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
MKCATL wrote:The Cavs are gonna cave.

Lebron gets what he wants. If he wants him he'll get him.

LeBron is an awful GM and doesn't care about the future. He's going to ask for that Love/Melo swap. It just comes down to Phil using Love to ship to Boston. That's where we really eat.

I dont think Love makes them better I think he and Horford are essentially the same player.

frogfood · Post #827 » by **frogfood** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:07 pm

AmazingJason wrote:
K P 6 wrote:
MKCATL wrote:The Cavs are gonna cave.

We dont want Shumpert back sorry.

Let's take JR, Shump and Frye.

Full circle

Oh, did someone say full circle?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hwudeja

Post #828 » by **NoLayupRule** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:07 pm

AmazingJason wrote:
K P 6 wrote:
MKCATL wrote:The Cavs are gonna cave.

We dont want Shumpert back sorry.

Let's take JR, Shump and Frye.

Full circle

WTF?

you want JR and Shump on this team?

come on

El Poochio · Post #829 » by **El Poochio** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:07 pm

ozwizard8 wrote:
El Poochio wrote:
ozwizard8 wrote:How about this trade guys? Celtics wont give 17 Nets pick easily so i added WCS for them.
Kings getting D.Rose for injured expiring Gay+WCS.

Knicks recieve: R.Gay+Johnson+Zeller+filler + 17 Nets Pick

Celtics recieve: Melo+Willie C. Stein

Kings recieve: D.Rose

Make that Noel instead of WCS I think it may be possible, need to tempt Sixers with our shİte though

The idea behind this one trading D.Rose for an asset. So King might give a future pick and we may trade it to 76ers to get Noel for C's?
Its a long shot though.
WCS should be enough for them imo. He offers rim protection and he has some potential. I'm willing to deal KOQ to Celtics too.

17 Nets Pick is what we exaclty need right now.

I dont think its necess, its a bit greedy, our pick essentially becomes Nets pick after shipping Melo anyway, future Clips picks would have potential to be Nets picks

Post #830 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:07 pm

K P 6 wrote:
New York is getting outscored by 3.2 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor — the sixth-worst of any starting forward to play at least 30 minutes per game through 30 games this season. His defensive rating of 110.5 points allowed per 100 possessions on the floor is the worst among that same group of players.

Do it for anything before people catch on.

What's the number with him off the floor? Also please post KP's numbers and DRose numbers.

Mecca · Post #831 » by **Mecca** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:07 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
Mecca wrote:Keep in mind, the difference between keeping/trading Melo is a top 5 pick and a bottom of the lotto pick. That alone is another reason to move Melo.

right

because were winning so many games right now

and the only way to lose is to trade our best player?

false Mecca, sorry man

if this team wants to tank we can just tank
we dont need to make a bad trade

While I agree with you that we're bad with Melo, without him, we become a bottom 3 team.

In order to get a top 5 pick we have to win less than 30 games. Right now we're in a 35 win team with jinx

Post #832 » by **DOT** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:08 pm

K P 6 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
Lebron gets what he wants. If he wants him he'll get him.

LeBron is an awful GM and doesn't care about the future. He's going to ask for that Love/Melo swap. It just comes down to Phil using Love to ship to Boston. That's where we really eat.

I dont think Love makes them better I think he and Horford are essentially the same player.

Love is a better shooter and rebounder, something that Horford struggles mightily at and is the root of most of the Celtics defensive problems. Their leading rebounder is Avery freaking Bradley. Put Love on that team, he'll be putting up Minnesota Love rebounding numbers

Fat · Post #833 » by **Fat** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:08 pm

send him back to baltimore for otto porter

Marty McFly · Post #834 » by **Marty McFly** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:09 pm

KnicksGod wrote:If a team does not offer real assets, I'm not ecstatic but I'd prefer to keep Melo. Has to be a very good deal.

its a tough decision to make. we're going to have to lose virtually every game to get a top 3 pick. that's not happening with melo.

Post #835 » by **DOT** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:09 pm

Mecca wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
Mecca wrote:Keep in mind, the difference between keeping/trading Melo is a top 5 pick and a bottom of the lotto pick. That alone is another reason to move Melo.

right

because were winning so many games right now

and the only way to lose is to trade our best player?

false Mecca, sorry man

if this team wants to tank we can just tank
we dont need to make a bad trade

While I agree with you that we're bad with Melo, without him, we become a bottom 3 team.

In order to get a top 5 pick we have to win less than 30 games. Right now we're in a 35 win team with jinx

Without him only the Nets are worse than us

HEZI · Post #836 » by **HEZI** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:09 pm

MP4LIFE wrote:
K P 6 wrote:Not getting legit first rounders is bad in any Melo deal.

The thing is...only the Knicks would give up legit first rounders for a player like Melo at this point in his career.

And Prokhorov, if he had any to give

frogfood · Post #837 » by **frogfood** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:10 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:If a team does not offer real assets, I'm not ecstatic but I'd prefer to keep Melo. Has to be a very good deal.

its a tough decision to make. we're going to have to lose virtually every game to get a top 3 pick. that's not happening with melo.

What better way to tank than a Melo-less Knicks team with DRose dominating every possession.

{{insert antonio banderas ooooooohh at the laptop gif}}

Post #838 » by **DOT** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:11 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:If a team does not offer real assets, I'm not ecstatic but I'd prefer to keep Melo. Has to be a very good deal.

its a tough decision to make. we're going to have to lose virtually every game to get a top 3 pick. that's not happening with melo.

We'd have to go like 5-30 over the rest of the season to get top 3, 10-25 should get top 5, but you never know. Its a close race, and Melo will give us that couple extra wins to push us back
Which actually helped us last draft, so you never know

Post #839 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:11 pm

AmazingJason wrote:
K P 6 wrote:
MKCATL wrote:The Cavs are gonna cave.

We dont want Shumpert back sorry.

Let's take JR, Shump and Frye.

Full circle

Full Tank
Frye
Sweetney
Shump
JR
Nate

Bring back Larry Brown to coach

ibraheim718 · Post #840 » by **ibraheim718** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:11 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
K P 6 wrote:
New York is getting outscored by 3.2 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor — the sixth-worst of any starting forward to play at least 30 minutes per game through 30 games this season. His defensive rating of 110.5 points allowed per 100 possessions on the floor is the worst among that same group of players.

Do it for anything before people catch on.

What's the number with him off the floor? Also please post KP's numbers and DRose numbers.

I posted the number the other day.

The team gets outscored by more when he's on the floor than when he's off. I think the differential was like 2 points a game. The team scores more with him on the floor but they give up more points also.. per 100.