Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[KnixinSix]

If we gonna have a big 3 or even a big 2 then i wanna keep Frank and Dotson because ya gotta have players who love playing defense to win in this league. GSW has won so many big games over the years because of things A.Iguadala or D.Green have done with their defense even though they don't get enough of the credit because the focus is so much on Steph, KD and Klay. I'm not saying Iggy and Dray don't get any credit because of course they do but there's been many big games that GSW has won over the years that without a big defensive play by Iggy or Dray they wouldn't of won those games. Gotta have defenders that love playing defense and love taking on the challenge of guarding the other teams best player.

Dotson and Allen can likely be fit salary cap wise. Frank probably has to go.

Yeah i actually forgot about K.Allen and definitely want him around next year for his defense and he showed some offensive skills last year. We would be fine down low with AD, M.Robinson and hopefully D.Jordan but K.Knox absolutely has to get better on defense and put the damn effort in which i saw none of last year. That actually scares me about him because if you're a rookie that showing to be very inconsistent on offense then you would think that rookie would put a ton of effort in on defense and he didn't.

Knox is likely gone if we trade for AD

[GONYK]

You guys are getting me excited about the pick. I'm also afraid the Knicks will mess it up somehow. They'll trade him for some 32 year old center with bad knees or something, because Dolans gunna Dolan.

The same Dolan that has been so absent from MSG the last 2 years that his shareholders are suing him?

[Clyde Frazier]

Agh, just realized my post about the trades should go in the offseason thread... moving it now.

[KnixinSix]

He's a good shooter for a big. That doesn't mean he's a good shooter comparatively

33% from 3 isn't gonna give Mitch enough space on PnRs, and Mitch just can't shoot at all so an AD PnR is just gonna get stuffed right away

It could work, but that's why I say it'd be janky

Well AD is a big and for a big he shoots pretty damn good and lets not count Mitch out from being a decent shooting big man so soon since we haven't even seen yet if he can or can't shoot. Don't know why they didn't let him shoot since we were a bad team anyway. Why not let him shoot from wherever on the court just to see if he has a chance at becoming a good or decent shooter? He says he's gonna work on his shooting and shoot more next year so i'm excited to see if he can or not.

AD is a big, but he'd be playing the 4, and the 4 isn't played by bigs any more, it's played by wings. And AD is not a good shooter for a wing, I don't see what you're not getting here

And I will count out Mitch from being a decent shooter next year cause he hasn't shown he can shoot in game. High school mixtapes are one thing, and pretty much any player can hit 3s at a decent rate in an empty gym, but until I see him consistently hit shots in game, I'm gonna count him out. I'm not talking about 4 or 5 years down the line, I'm talking about next year

Agreed we may some flashes of outside game next year but I doubt much more he has a bit of way to go there

[Richard4444]

It is risky deal to trade down for a First Round Pick. You can see some of the teams to turn into a playoff contenders next year.

Lakers is a sure playoffs candidate. Their pick has little value.

I would take my chances with Cleveland. I think their next year pick is going to be high.

[taj2133]

I wouldn't mind if the knicks did this trade if they could frank and knox for tj warren and 6th pick. The only problem with tj warren he can't stay healthy but when he is health that dude can produce this year he averaged 18 points, 4 rebounds, on 48 percent, and 42 percent shooting three pointers. Also tj warren contract is very team friendly 2019-2020 only makes 10.8 million, 2020-2021 11.7 million, and 2021-2022 he makes 12.6 million. As much it would suck for me as knox fan trade him away for tj warren it would be worth the risk because tj warren is that special.

[newyorker4ever]

Yeah Idk I just feel like the potential and youth alone that we can give Pelicans is way better. Not to mention this is a 3 player draft. Rj Barrett or Ja Morant is way better than what The 4th pick would get you. Not only that it would make Zion happy to play with his best friend. New Orleans already has a problem keeping star players. People were calling Rj Barrett the 1st or 2nd best player at one point. He has alot of potential. That mixed in with Knox, DsJ, Frank and Dallas 1st all fits in with Zions timeline. We can sell New Orleans on youth and potential. Theres nothing more valuable then that right now.

Lonzo does not want to play in New Orleans. If he gets traded their his father will throw a fit all over tv or social media. Ingram is a good player but his blood clot issues could be very concerning. Kuzma is good too but he can be pretty inconsistent. And that 4th pick is nowhere as valuable as that 3rd most importantly. Also another rumor out there to follow is that New Orleans would prefer to trade AD to the East and not the Lakers.

Why is it that every time i see someone making up a trade package for AD or Beal or whoever it always has one or both of the Dallas picks in it? If we're gonna have a big 3 of KD, AD, Kyrie to go along with whatever vets we get and whatever young players we have left after the trade then we're gonna be a really good team and picking in the bottom of the 1st round for the next 4-5-6 years so i'd rather trade our 1st rounders and keep the unprotected 2021 and top 10 protected 2023 Dallas picks.

Wouldn't that be the better way to go about a trade or am i missing something?

Pels arent stupid. If we keep Mitch we probably have to give up one of the Dallas picks

Not saying D.Griffin is stupid but i would at least offer other first round picks before i offer the Dallas picks especially the 2021 unprotected one. Their first trade offer is gonna be for everything good we have and we're gonna go back at them with a much lower offer of course and then back and forth. All i was saying is why is it that every trade offer that people on here make up and even the offers that the media people make up always have the Dallas picks in them, or at least the 2021 one.

[newyorker4ever]

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Sheesh, this one he’s showing off his handle.

Anyone know how many times he went to the basket with the ball to the right side in that whole video clip? Pretty sure it was zero so that will be something NBA players and coaches will pick up on real quick so he definitely needs to put that at the top of his list of things he needs to work on if we draft him and keep him.

Barrett is very good with dribbling/finishing/passing with his right hand. U took a highlight video and made a very wrong assumption about him.

What's the wrong assumption i made? The one where i asked how many times he went to the right in that video and i said i think it was zero or saying he needs to work on going to his right? Both seem right to me so i'm curious what was the very wrong assumption????

[newyorker4ever]

He's a good shooter for a big. That doesn't mean he's a good shooter comparatively

33% from 3 isn't gonna give Mitch enough space on PnRs, and Mitch just can't shoot at all so an AD PnR is just gonna get stuffed right away

It could work, but that's why I say it'd be janky

Well AD is a big and for a big he shoots pretty damn good and lets not count Mitch out from being a decent shooting big man so soon since we haven't even seen yet if he can or can't shoot. Don't know why they didn't let him shoot since we were a bad team anyway. Why not let him shoot from wherever on the court just to see if he has a chance at becoming a good or decent shooter? He says he's gonna work on his shooting and shoot more next year so i'm excited to see if he can or not.

AD is a big, but he'd be playing the 4, and the 4 isn't played by bigs any more, it's played by wings. And AD is not a good shooter for a wing, I don't see what you're not getting here

And I will count out Mitch from being a decent shooter next year cause he hasn't shown he can shoot in game. High school mixtapes are one thing, and pretty much any player can hit 3s at a decent rate in an empty gym, but until I see him consistently hit shots in game, I'm gonna count him out. I'm not talking about 4 or 5 years down the line, I'm talking about next year

What i'm not getting? You said he wasn't a good shooter then i said he was a good shooter for a big man and then you agreed that he was a good shooter for a big but now are saying he's not a big because other teams don't play big guys at the 4 anymore so i'm not sure what you're not getting? Hmmmmmm

He is a big man and is a good shooter for a big man.

[SelbyCobra]

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[newyorker4ever]

I would either go for AD or the young players, Beal would be far and away my last option, no half measures, either rebuild or go for the big 3 and rings

In case it wasn't clear, the big 3 would be kyrie OR kemba, KD and beal with mitch staying.

Man i would love to have those starting 4 and then find a good 4 man to put in there and we're good to go. Seems to me like B.Beal is very underestimated on here for some reason but i don't understand why. He's a great shooter, can take it to the basket and plays defense. What's not to like?

[robillionaire]

I would either go for AD or the young players, Beal would be far and away my last option, no half measures, either rebuild or go for the big 3 and rings

In case it wasn't clear, the big 3 would be kyrie OR kemba, KD and beal with mitch staying.

I'd still rather have AD. I wouldn't want to trade assets for Beal. He's a star and a good player but I don't view him as a superstar worthy of trading our assets for.

[Triple C]

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[Knicksfan20]

What's the wrong assumption i made? The one where i asked how many times he went to the right in that video and i said i think it was zero or saying he needs to work on going to his right? Both seem right to me so i'm curious what was the very wrong assumption????

You assume he needs to work on his right hand as if its a weakness. His off hand is very strong. Both driving and finishing.

[thebuzzardman]

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[DOT]

Well AD is a big and for a big he shoots pretty damn good and lets not count Mitch out from being a decent shooting big man so soon since we haven't even seen yet if he can or can't shoot. Don't know why they didn't let him shoot since we were a bad team anyway. Why not let him shoot from wherever on the court just to see if he has a chance at becoming a good or decent shooter? He says he's gonna work on his shooting and shoot more next year so i'm excited to see if he can or not.

AD is a big, but he'd be playing the 4, and the 4 isn't played by bigs any more, it's played by wings. And AD is not a good shooter for a wing, I don't see what you're not getting here

And I will count out Mitch from being a decent shooter next year cause he hasn't shown he can shoot in game. High school mixtapes are one thing, and pretty much any player can hit 3s at a decent rate in an empty gym, but until I see him consistently hit shots in game, I'm gonna count him out. I'm not talking about 4 or 5 years down the line, I'm talking about next year

What i'm not getting? You said he wasn't a good shooter then i said he was a good shooter for a big man and then you agreed that he was a good shooter for a big but now are saying he's not a big because other teams don't play big guys at the 4 anymore so i'm not sure what you're not getting? Hmmmmmm

He is a big man and is a good shooter for a big man.

Actually, what I said was he isn't a good enough shooter to make it work, then you mistook that for me saying he isn't a good shooter and kept trying to backtrack

You're acting like you can get away with having a good shooter for a big man but not good overall and a non shooter in the frontcourt, which you really can't any more. Just look at Detroit, and Blake's actually decent overall at shooting now.

AD should be playing C. As a C, he'd be more than good enough of a shooter to make it work. As a PF, he's not a good enough shooter without having a good shooting C which Mitch is not. That's what I'm getting at, if you're still having issues

[robillionaire]

If the report is true, and there have been more than one saying they don't want to trade him to the Lakers, it's really just the Knicks and Boston who would make a push for him. Or the Pelicans refuse to trade him which also seems unlikely

[DOT]

If the report is true, and there have been more than one saying they don't want to trade him to the Lakers, it's really just the Knicks and Boston who would make a push for him. Or the Pelicans refuse to trade him which also seems unlikely

I think a team nobody expects is gonna come over the top for him like with PG and Kawhi, or Griffin

Like, I dunno, Phoenix maybe?

They arguably have the best group of assets and could think a Booker/AD pairing will win them games.

[shtolky]

If the report is true, and there have been more than one saying they don't want to trade him to the Lakers, it's really just the Knicks and Boston who would make a push for him. Or the Pelicans refuse to trade him which also seems unlikely

Path seems clear for us if the Lakers are out (and I can't see the 4th pick pushing them over the edge). Would Boston really go after AD and gut their team with the Kyrie situation in the air? I know it's been reported Ainge doesn't give a F, but I don't buy it. He would be left with AD, Horford (maybe), and Hayward. Makes no sense for them.

[Dantares]

Ok so if Gayle Benson will not trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers then our only competition is boston. We keep Mitch then. He stay!