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[Knicksfan1992]

the timberwolves didn't even have max money. they wanted to trade wiggins for d'lo. lol

Not true. Was centered around Covington + other parts.

Timberwolves got saved from themselves then

[HEZI]

the timberwolves didn't even have max money. they wanted to trade wiggins for d'lo. lol

Not true. Was centered around Covington + other parts.

I'm guessing Culver would have been included also

Shams whole theory contradicts itself. On one hand he tells me Knicks couldn't hit the reset button with dealing DLo because nobody wants him on a max deal but on the other hand he believes that's exactly what the Warriors are going to do. Not just that but he believes Russell and Curry wont work together so Russell's value will likely be even less than it was this summer or at any point if he was a Knick. Tell me how any of that makes sense

[god shammgod]

the timberwolves didn't even have max money. they wanted to trade wiggins for d'lo. lol

Not true. Was centered around Covington + other parts.

I'm guessing Culver would have been included also

Shams whole theory contradicts itself. On one hand he tells me Knicks couldn't hit the reset button with dealing DLo because nobody wants him on a max deal but on the other hand he believes that's exactly what the Warriors are going to do. Not just that but he believes Russell and Curry wont work together so Russell's value will likely be even less than it was this summer or at any point if he was a Knick. Tell me how any of that makes sense

no sham does not. because we would want an expiring contract to hit the reset button, the warriors would be willing to take on a bad contract with a role player they like with it oor a couple role players on long contracts. we would not because we need to manage the cap and they're already over it, that is the difference. and it's still not gonna be a robust market because nobody wanted him at the max.

and there was so much interest that everyone spent their money and there was nowhere left for him to go

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the knicks weren't interested. the clippers weren't. the mavs weren't. and the lakers were interested but not at the max.

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so where was this team besides golden state that was giving him the max ?

[dakomish23]

Be interesting to see how we'd be if we signed DLo over Randle

DLo
RJ
Knox
Morris
Mitch

Talent level is about the same, but I think you get more wins out of that team just on fit alone

Same time though, not a fan of a 4 year max for him for us. Rather have Randle's contract, but still think we should've signed neither

The years suck but at least he's young and has proven to be a good player (not great).

If we're dishing out a 4 year deal I'd rather have Brogdon. Just use the money we spent for Portis and any of the other bench vets

Brogdon DSJ
Dotson Trier
RBJ Frank
Morris Knox
Mitch Randle

That's probably a 35-45 win team with the arrow pointing up

[2010]

Not sure if y'all are already on this but damn. Zion dealing with knee woes already and won't play tomorrow. This could be precursor to future issues.

[HEZI]

Not true. Was centered around Covington + other parts.

I'm guessing Culver would have been included also

Shams whole theory contradicts itself. On one hand he tells me Knicks couldn't hit the reset button with dealing DLo because nobody wants him on a max deal but on the other hand he believes that's exactly what the Warriors are going to do. Not just that but he believes Russell and Curry wont work together so Russell's value will likely be even less than it was this summer or at any point if he was a Knick. Tell me how any of that makes sense

no sham does not. because we would want an expiring contract to hit the reset button, the warriors would be willing to take on a bad contract with a role player they like with it oor a couple role players on long contracts. we would not because we need to manage the cap and they're already over it, that is the difference. and it's still not gonna be a robust market because nobody wanted him at the max.

and there was so much interest that everyone spent their money and there was nowhere left for him to go

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the knicks weren't interested. the clippers weren't. the mavs weren't. and the lakers were interested but not at the max.

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so where was this team besides golden state that was giving him the max ?

What role players on bad contracts are you talking about? You mean like the ones we signed this summer? Back to square one that's called a reset

We all know who the Lakers were waiting for, they thought they had Kawhi in the bag and he was the last domino to fall which left them looking dumb in the end. They had to settle for scraps. If they knew Kawhi would play them like that ofcourse they give DLo the Max.

The Nets controlled his fate since he was a restricted free agent, so you keep talking about who had cap space but that really is irrelevant. If KD wasn't in the picture then they explore other sign and trade scenarios, plenty of teams would have figured out a way to get him and get him the max. Nets wanted KD so they took the best deal that made sense for them. You keep saying nobody had cap space to get him yet the team he went to and got the max from didn't have cap space to get him so it just debunks your entire theory.

[god shammgod]

I'm guessing Culver would have been included also

Shams whole theory contradicts itself. On one hand he tells me Knicks couldn't hit the reset button with dealing DLo because nobody wants him on a max deal but on the other hand he believes that's exactly what the Warriors are going to do. Not just that but he believes Russell and Curry wont work together so Russell's value will likely be even less than it was this summer or at any point if he was a Knick. Tell me how any of that makes sense

no sham does not. because we would want an expiring contract to hit the reset button, the warriors would be willing to take on a bad contract with a role player they like with it oor a couple role players on long contracts. we would not because we need to manage the cap and they're already over it, that is the difference. and it's still not gonna be a robust market because nobody wanted him at the max.

and there was so much interest that everyone spent their money and there was nowhere left for him to go

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the knicks weren't interested. the clippers weren't. the mavs weren't. and the lakers were interested but not at the max.

Read on Twitter

so where was this team besides golden state that was giving him the max ?

What role players on bad contracts are you talking about? You mean like the ones we signed this summer? Back to square one that's called a reset

We all know who the Lakers were waiting for, they thought they had Kawhi in the bag and he was the last domino to fall which left them looking dumb in the end. They had to settle for scraps. If they knew Kawhi would play them like that ofcourse they give DLo the Max.

The Nets controlled his fate since he was a restricted free agent, so you keep talking about who had cap space but that really is irrelevant. If KD wasn't in the picture then they explore other sign and trade scenarios, plenty of teams would have figured out a way to get him and get him the max. Nets wanted KD so they took the best deal that made sense for them. You keep saying nobody had cap space to get him yet the team he went to and got the max from didn't have cap space to get him so it just debunks your entire theory.

the length of the contract of the role players is the difference, you keep missing the point.

he got the max from a team that everybody believes, no matter what they say, plans to trade him eventually. why would a free agent, able to pick his own team, sign somewhere that could send him anywhere in the league whether he likes it or not ? because he wasn't getting that kind of money anywhere else.

and the nets didn't control his fate because as soon as he signed anywhere they were gonna have to let him go to sign durant. there was no threat of them matching. at all.

and my theory is not debunked if you just do the math. because golden state was the only team that could trade for him because if it wasn't kevin durant coming back to the nets, they couldn't take any salary back at all. and since nobody had the cap space to absorb him at the max, it's impossible that a sign and trade would work anywhere else besides golden state.

[3toheadmelo]

Not sure if y'all are already on this but damn. Zion dealing with knee woes already and won't play tomorrow. This could be precursor to future issues.

Is that the same knee he hurt in college? Knicks may have dodged a bullet here...hope it’s not serious for him though. I don’t wanna see another Greg Oden situation. Zion looks like the real deal (on offense)

[Clyde_Style]

Not sure if y'all are already on this but damn. Zion dealing with knee woes already and won't play tomorrow. This could be precursor to future issues.

Really easy to predict.

The guy is going to tear himself apart with that youthful propulsion going up against that excess physical mass he doesn't need to carry.

He got heavy very quickly after college season ended and he's still not in game shape. A guy like him needs to work diligently at dietary controls since he needs tons of caloric fuel with that kind of muscle. If he doesn't know how to eat properly he's going to have a short career.

[2010]

Not sure if y'all are already on this but damn. Zion dealing with knee woes already and won't play tomorrow. This could be precursor to future issues.

Is that the same knee he hurt in college? Knicks may have dodged a bullet here...hope it’s not serious for him though. I don’t wanna see another Greg Oden situation. Zion looks like the real deal (on offense)

Not sure if it's the same knee or not. But remember he had some knee and back issue during Vegas Summer League as well.

[3toheadmelo]

Not sure if y'all are already on this but damn. Zion dealing with knee woes already and won't play tomorrow. This could be precursor to future issues.

Is that the same knee he hurt in college? Knicks may have dodged a bullet here...hope it’s not serious for him though. I don’t wanna see another Greg Oden situation. Zion looks like the real deal (on offense)

Not sure if it's the same knee or not. But remember he had some knee and back issue during Vegas Summer League as well.

I forgot about that too. Wonder if it’s because he’s putting on too much weight

[2010]

Not sure if y'all are already on this but damn. Zion dealing with knee woes already and won't play tomorrow. This could be precursor to future issues.

Really easy to predict.

The guy is going to tear himself apart with that youthful propulsion going up against that excess physical mass he doesn't need to carry.

He got heavy very quickly after college season ended and he's still not in game shape. A guy like him needs to work diligently at dietary controls since he needs tons of caloric fuel with that kind of muscle. If he doesn't know how to eat properly he's going to have a short career.

Yup, and just looking at his lower half you can tell he is going to have a tough time staving off excess weight. His legs are tree trunks as it is and he is very square in the waist area and wide across the hips. Classic look of a guy who will definitely not stay lean as his body matures and exits it's prime phase. Not gonna lie and say I wouldn't have picked him #1 overall, but we may have the better guy for the long haul when all is said and done. RJ's game should age well.

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[HEZI]

no sham does not. because we would want an expiring contract to hit the reset button, the warriors would be willing to take on a bad contract with a role player they like with it oor a couple role players on long contracts. we would not because we need to manage the cap and they're already over it, that is the difference. and it's still not gonna be a robust market because nobody wanted him at the max.

and there was so much interest that everyone spent their money and there was nowhere left for him to go

Read on Twitter

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the knicks weren't interested. the clippers weren't. the mavs weren't. and the lakers were interested but not at the max.

Read on Twitter

so where was this team besides golden state that was giving him the max ?

What role players on bad contracts are you talking about? You mean like the ones we signed this summer? Back to square one that's called a reset

We all know who the Lakers were waiting for, they thought they had Kawhi in the bag and he was the last domino to fall which left them looking dumb in the end. They had to settle for scraps. If they knew Kawhi would play them like that ofcourse they give DLo the Max.

The Nets controlled his fate since he was a restricted free agent, so you keep talking about who had cap space but that really is irrelevant. If KD wasn't in the picture then they explore other sign and trade scenarios, plenty of teams would have figured out a way to get him and get him the max. Nets wanted KD so they took the best deal that made sense for them. You keep saying nobody had cap space to get him yet the team he went to and got the max from didn't have cap space to get him so it just debunks your entire theory.

the length of the contract of the role players is the difference, you keep missing the point.

he got the max from a team that everybody believes, no matter what they say, plans to trade him eventually. why would a free agent, able to pick his own team, sign somewhere that could send him anywhere in the league whether he likes it or not ? because he wasn't getting that kind of money anywhere else.

and the nets didn't control his fate because as soon as he signed anywhere they were gonna have to let him go to sign durant. there was no threat of them matching. at all.

and my theory is not debunked if you just do the math. because golden state was the only team that could trade for him because if it wasn't kevin durant coming back to the nets, they couldn't take any salary back at all. and since nobody had the cap space to absorb him at the max, it's impossible that a sign and trade would work anywhere else besides golden state.

How long is Randle's contract for? Elfrid Payton?

Randle is making 20 mil per year for 3 years and Elfird Payton is making 8 mil for 2 years. That's basically what you are saying the Warriors would get back in return and that's where the Knicks are right now currently.

You are also telling me that Warriors gave up a 1st round pick to Brooklyn, had to eat the salaries of Traveon Graham and Shabazz Napier, had to trade Iguodala and a future 1st round pick to make room for Russell just so they can use Russell as a trade chip for role players? Mmmm ok

Of course there was no threat of them matching because of Durant! You keep ignoring that part. If they don't have Durant committed you really think they are letting Russell walk? It aint happening. They are either paying him what he wants or exploring other sign and trade options.

[Clyde_Style]

Not sure if y'all are already on this but damn. Zion dealing with knee woes already and won't play tomorrow. This could be precursor to future issues.

Really easy to predict.

The guy is going to tear himself apart with that youthful propulsion going up against that excess physical mass he doesn't need to carry.

He got heavy very quickly after college season ended and he's still not in game shape. A guy like him needs to work diligently at dietary controls since he needs tons of caloric fuel with that kind of muscle. If he doesn't know how to eat properly he's going to have a short career.

Yup, and just looking at his lower half you can tell he is going to have a tough time staving off excess weight. His legs are tree trunks as it is and he is very square in the waist area and wide across the hips. Classic look of a guy who will definitely not stay lean as his body matures and exits it's prime phase. Not gonna lie and say I wouldn't have picked him #1 overall, but we may have the better guy for the long haul when all is said and done. RJ's game should age well.

I started to wonder about Zion as the draft approached because I didn't know if he would hold up physically. I'd think of Barkley who was big for his size, but in truth Charles was nothing like Zion. We've seen plenty of guys like him on the football field, but you go N/S/E/W in football with some leaping if you're a WR or cornerback.

But when we've seen bigs in the NBA who could leap that were built like monsters you could namecheck guys like Daryl Dawkins, but they'd dunk and smash backboards, not leap 15 feet like Zion. Zion's explosions are meant for lean machines like MJ, not linebackers. It is just a genetic gift of his, but it comes with limitations called tendons and connective tissue. The g-force is going to rip him apart if he carries that weight.

I always crave a transcendent PG if available, but I didn't know if Ja was that, so I was pretty happy with RJ as I suspected Zion would break down.

I'm pretty adamant about guys being injury-prone and that includes not signing guys after career defining injuries like KD or resigning KP.

KP is going to break down. Zion definitely will if he doesn't manage his weight. You're right. If he is this thick now, he could be Refrigerator Perry in 5-10 years. I don't think that will work.

[2010]

Zion would have been better served longevity wise playing football. A more grounded sport. All that jumping in basketball - which admittedly is what we all crave to see from him - is going to ultimately bring the decline of him. And probably rather rapidly.

[Capn'O]

Not sure if y'all are already on this but damn. Zion dealing with knee woes already and won't play tomorrow. This could be precursor to future issues.

Wear on his body is the only obstacle to greatness

[Clyde_Style]

Not sure if y'all are already on this but damn. Zion dealing with knee woes already and won't play tomorrow. This could be precursor to future issues.

Wear on his body is the only obstacle to greatness

Unfortunately for Zion, the laws of physics are greater than his talents. Mother nature is a bitch

[TheGreenArrow]

Rumors are swirling its a torn meniscus.

Woow if true.

[stuporman]

That's it, I don't want any player ever again unless they shoot the 3ball and play defense....I don't care how good they seem to be at anything or everything else, if they don't shoot it well from deep and play defense I don't want them.

Tired of watching bricks on one end then clueless breakdowns on the other.

That means every player currently on the Knicks needs to gtfo....