Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[Infinitimind]

Small deal but -- Knox for Omari Spellman. One rebound, the other doesn't.

A 20 year old lottery pick for a fat spellman. Why

[moocow007]

Small deal but -- Knox for Omari Spellman. One rebound, the other doesn't.

A 20 year old lottery pick for a fat spellman. Why

Yeah I don't get it either. A fat rebounder from a team that's even worse than the Knicks? I'd rather take my chances that Knox can snap out of it.

There are plenty of guys of Spellman's level that they can sign for vet minimum or as 2 way contracts. Heck, they might as well just give some minutes to their own 2 way forward Kenny Wooten.

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[8516knicks]

Small deal but -- Knox for Omari Spellman. One rebound, the other doesn't.

A 20 year old lottery pick for a fat spellman. Why

Yeah I don't get it either. A fat rebounder from a team that's even worse than the Knicks? I'd rather take my chances that Knox can snap out of it.

There are plenty of guys of Spellman's level that they can sign for vet minimum or as 2 way contracts. Heck, they might as well just give some minutes to their own 2 way forward Kenny Wooten.

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Well, I went to VU so I'm prejudiced but Omari can shoot much better than Knox. Key is weight though. (also plays better D when trim and his mind is right). But I'm fine giving Wooten a shot also (but lacks offense)

[aggo]

Knox is not really redeemable at the point. He's still a mental midget and hasn't improved his game. this is one of the reasons why you should never really listen to a coach promoting his player tool's. The tape is there, we know what tool's he has. Calipari talked about his shooting and athleticism, but he also talked about his maturity and lack of mental strength and needing time to develop and to be on a good team. Everyone latched on the raw profile of shooting and athleticism and ignored Calipari's warning on him being a project and needing mentorship.

One thing I like to think about when evaluating players is when I'd like to have him on my team. Knox struck me as a project that needed serious work on his BBIQ and if he couldn't shoot the three he was a disaster waiting to happen. So one of the things I said about him during the draft process was that he was someone I would rather sign in FA than to draft. Sure his ceiling is higher than a lot of the forwards that were drafted next to him, but those guys were far far far more complete and all around players. Knox couldn't pass, couldn't create, couldn't lead, or initiate the offense in college. Both Bridges were simply better players in every aspect (in college) but athleticism which is where Knox fooled everyone on.

[aq_ua]

One consideration around Knox is that he's going to be a $4.6mm contract next year that steps up to $6mm, for a player that seems to be headed for a stretch forward role at best, in a declining salary cap environment. I hate giving up on players on rookie contracts, but I think there needs to be some serious thought around eventual cap ramifications when we still need to establish the vast majority of our starting lineup.

[spree8]

Knicks: Kevin Huerter

Hawks: Jrue Holiday

Pelicans: Frank Ntilikina, 21’ Dallas 1st, 20’ & 21’ Hornets 2nd


Gets us a reliable shooter next to RJ. Gives ATL a vet sg to help them compete now... similar to the Capella move. Pels get a young defensive pg/sg to replace Jrue long-term along with a package of solid picks to help their rebuild.

I’d even combine this deal with the Mitch for Jaylen deal and have Huerter as a Manu-type 6th man.

Jaylen Brown/Kevin Huerter
RJ Barrett

Wing rotation would be nasty.

[Infinitimind]

Knox is not really redeemable at the point. He's still a mental midget and hasn't improved his game. this is one of the reasons why you should never really listen to a coach promoting his player tool's. The tape is there, we know what tool's he has. Calipari talked about his shooting and athleticism, but he also talked about his maturity and lack of mental strength and needing time to develop and to be on a good team. Everyone latched on the raw profile of shooting and athleticism and ignored Calipari's warning on him being a project and needing mentorship.

One thing I like to think about when evaluating players is when I'd like to have him on my team. Knox struck me as a project that needed serious work on his BBIQ and if he couldn't shoot the three he was a disaster waiting to happen. So one of the things I said about him during the draft process was that he was someone I would rather sign in FA than to draft. Sure his ceiling is higher than a lot of the forwards that were drafted next to him, but those guys were far far far more complete and all around players. Knox couldn't pass, couldn't create, couldn't lead, or initiate the offense in college. Both Bridges were simply better players in every aspect (in college) but athleticism which is where Knox fooled everyone on.

How do you give up a 20 year old kid? Especially with the Knicks, he’s already going on his 3rd coach. Knicks have not shown to develop players and I refuse to give up on him. Kid is super talented on the offensive end

[Mecca]

Knicks: Kevin Huerter

Hawks: Jrue Holiday

Pelicans: Frank Ntilikina, 21’ Dallas 1st, 20’ & 21’ Hornets 2nd


Gets us a reliable shooter next to RJ. Gives ATL a vet sg to help them compete now... similar to the Capella move. Pels get a young defensive pg/sg to replace Jrue long-term along with a package of solid picks to help their rebuild.

I’d even combine this deal with the Mitch for Jaylen deal and have Huerter as a Manu-type 6th man.

Jaylen Brown/Kevin Huerter
RJ Barrett

Wing rotation would be nasty.

I like this deal. I don't see any world the C's trade Jaylen though.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks: Kevin Huerter

Hawks: Jrue Holiday

Pelicans: Frank Ntilikina, 21’ Dallas 1st, 20’ & 21’ Hornets 2nd


Gets us a reliable shooter next to RJ. Gives ATL a vet sg to help them compete now... similar to the Capella move. Pels get a young defensive pg/sg to replace Jrue long-term along with a package of solid picks to help their rebuild.

I’d even combine this deal with the Mitch for Jaylen deal and have Huerter as a Manu-type 6th man.

Jaylen Brown/Kevin Huerter
RJ Barrett

Wing rotation would be nasty.

I like this deal. I don't see any world the C's trade Jaylen though.

Feels like a lot for Kevin Huerter. That's a guy drafted in the first round (granted his value might not be THAT great), a #1 pick and two fairly high 2nd rounders.

And I like Huerter

[spree8]

Knicks: Kevin Huerter

Hawks: Jrue Holiday

Pelicans: Frank Ntilikina, 21’ Dallas 1st, 20’ & 21’ Hornets 2nd


Gets us a reliable shooter next to RJ. Gives ATL a vet sg to help them compete now... similar to the Capella move. Pels get a young defensive pg/sg to replace Jrue long-term along with a package of solid picks to help their rebuild.

I’d even combine this deal with the Mitch for Jaylen deal and have Huerter as a Manu-type 6th man.

Jaylen Brown/Kevin Huerter
RJ Barrett

Wing rotation would be nasty.

I like this deal. I don't see any world the C's trade Jaylen though.

I thought so too, but I saw a thread on the trade board from a Celtics fan about how they think he’s expendable and went off that haha. Didn’t look into it, but he said the lineup is just as productive with Smart in Brown’s place and was using that as grounds to trade him to upgrade the center position.

[Richard4444]

Knox is not really redeemable at the point. He's still a mental midget and hasn't improved his game. this is one of the reasons why you should never really listen to a coach promoting his player tool's. The tape is there, we know what tool's he has. Calipari talked about his shooting and athleticism, but he also talked about his maturity and lack of mental strength and needing time to develop and to be on a good team. Everyone latched on the raw profile of shooting and athleticism and ignored Calipari's warning on him being a project and needing mentorship.

One thing I like to think about when evaluating players is when I'd like to have him on my team. Knox struck me as a project that needed serious work on his BBIQ and if he couldn't shoot the three he was a disaster waiting to happen. So one of the things I said about him during the draft process was that he was someone I would rather sign in FA than to draft. Sure his ceiling is higher than a lot of the forwards that were drafted next to him, but those guys were far far far more complete and all around players. Knox couldn't pass, couldn't create, couldn't lead, or initiate the offense in college. Both Bridges were simply better players in every aspect (in college) but athleticism which is where Knox fooled everyone on.

How do you give up a 20 year old kid? Especially with the Knicks, he’s already going on his 3rd coach. Knicks have not shown to develop players and I refuse to give up on him. Kid is super talented on the offensive end

We would not just giving up a 20 year kid for some minor asset (like a second rounder). We cant keep our cap space invested just in mediocrity (Knox, Randle, Dennis, Frank). We are not a capped team that cant use the salary after getting rid of a player salary. We can use the cap space to invest in a better player like Fred/Bertans/Grant, make room for a salary dump with a FRP attached or even bring back a better high risk high reward prospect who needs a change of environment.

Speaking about prospects, there are interesting young UFA prospects hitting the market like Josh Jackson, Derrick Jones Jr, Furkan Korkmaz. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson and Harry Giles that probable can be signed on the same price range that our players. There are also some RFA that will not be kept like Saric. The question would be: are they better prospects or better fit around our core players? We are not married with our players.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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[moocow007]

Just want to point out that Blazer fans were looking to dump Jermaine O'neal after his first few seasons in the NBA (yes they absolutely were). He had a deer-with-the-headlights look to him and often seemed like he'd never played the game before. JO ended up having a very productive all-star caliber career and ended as a potential HOF candidate.

Conversely you have a guy like Anthony Randolph who actually looked real impressive for long stretches in his first several years in the NBA exciting people with his potential and he flubbed out of the league at 24.

Then you have a middle ground-ish guy like Andray Blatche who looked like an absolute idiot his first few seasons and ended up being a very solid player for 8 years before taking his talents overseas (at a point where most felt he could have easily signed on with another NBA team and been part of their rotation).

Given up on Knox after 2 seasons? That's a bit premature.

Since it appears that some (many) folks have forgotten...

The OBVIOUS understanding with drafting a guy like Knox was that he's a project and going to take time to develop (if he ever develops). To basically give up on him now, considering that the Knicks basically signed 4 guys to add to the 2 other guys that can play his same position heading into his sophomore season is a bit nutty IMO. This is like buying a $10 scratch off ticket, scratching off the 1st 2 spots, not liking what you see, and throwing the ticket away.

If the Knicks had actually sat Knox on the bench like most teams do with projects instead of jamming him in, playing big minutes and trying to prove a point (or whatever they were trying to do) in his rookie season, no one would be saying a thing. The fact that he did poorly statistically as a project in his rookie season (he barely played in his 2nd season so can't exactly judge him on that) should have been expected. You throw any project player out there and play him heavy and 9 out of 10 times that player is going to struggle. So really not sure why people seemed so surprised?

Comparing his immediate production and maturity to guys 2 and 3 years older (Miles and Mikal Bridges, respectively) and more experienced isn't exactly fair either.

As far as I'm concerned we are talking about a raw prospect that has really only played 1 real season in the NBA (his rookie season) and was thrown out there when he was clearly unprepared. And let's not forget that one of the biggest complaints most of y'all have levied against the old Knicks front office is their inability to develop players. So how can you do that and, with a straight face, turn around and condemn Knox for not doing something that teams that actually have good player development would never do to a raw prospect?

As way too often happens, you guys are letting emotions get in the way. Yes, you are...you are.

[moocow007]

Knicks: Kevin Huerter

Hawks: Jrue Holiday

Pelicans: Frank Ntilikina, 21’ Dallas 1st, 20’ & 21’ Hornets 2nd


Gets us a reliable shooter next to RJ. Gives ATL a vet sg to help them compete now... similar to the Capella move. Pels get a young defensive pg/sg to replace Jrue long-term along with a package of solid picks to help their rebuild.

I’d even combine this deal with the Mitch for Jaylen deal and have Huerter as a Manu-type 6th man.

Jaylen Brown/Kevin Huerter
RJ Barrett

Wing rotation would be nasty.

I like this deal. I don't see any world the C's trade Jaylen though.

I thought so too, but I saw a thread on the trade board from a Celtics fan about how they think he’s expendable and went off that haha. Didn’t look into it, but he said the lineup is just as productive with Smart in Brown’s place and was using that as grounds to trade him to upgrade the center position.

Him being expendable doesn't mean that they would trade him for that kinda package. Those 2 Dallas 1st rounders don't really have a lot of high end value IMO. They can just sign Frank as a free agent for the mid level a year from now if they really want him that badly when the Knicks don't resign him. I don't see the dying need for them to get a guy like Frank one year early. You can find a lot of guys like him on the free agent market. Those future 2nd rounders also don't have any real significant value. You're talking about a young 23 year old guy (Brown) coming off a season where he put up 20/6/2/1 while shooting 49% from the field, 38% from 3 (basically a 3 & D guy that can actually do more than just that).

Jalen Brown would cost require the Knicks package to at least start with either their own 1st rounder this year, RJ Barrett or Mitchell Robinson.

[RHODEY]

Knox is not really redeemable at the point. He's still a mental midget and hasn't improved his game. this is one of the reasons why you should never really listen to a coach promoting his player tool's. The tape is there, we know what tool's he has. Calipari talked about his shooting and athleticism, but he also talked about his maturity and lack of mental strength and needing time to develop and to be on a good team. Everyone latched on the raw profile of shooting and athleticism and ignored Calipari's warning on him being a project and needing mentorship.

One thing I like to think about when evaluating players is when I'd like to have him on my team. Knox struck me as a project that needed serious work on his BBIQ and if he couldn't shoot the three he was a disaster waiting to happen. So one of the things I said about him during the draft process was that he was someone I would rather sign in FA than to draft. Sure his ceiling is higher than a lot of the forwards that were drafted next to him, but those guys were far far far more complete and all around players. Knox couldn't pass, couldn't create, couldn't lead, or initiate the offense in college. Both Bridges were simply better players in every aspect (in college) but athleticism which is where Knox fooled everyone on.

How do you give up a 20 year old kid? Especially with the Knicks, he’s already going on his 3rd coach. Knicks have not shown to develop players and I refuse to give up on him. Kid is super talented on the offensive end

Agreed, deserves a sliver of hope....next season is his last chance with me though.

[Zenzibar]

Small deal but -- Knox for Omari Spellman. One rebound, the other doesn't.

A 20 year old lottery pick for a fat spellman. Why

Yeah I don't get it either. A fat rebounder from a team that's even worse than the Knicks? I'd rather take my chances that Knox can snap out of it.

There are plenty of guys of Spellman's level that they can sign for vet minimum or as 2 way contracts. Heck, they might as well just give some minutes to their own 2 way forward Kenny Wooten.

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We we make a clone of Wooten and Knox together?

[spree8]

I like this deal. I don't see any world the C's trade Jaylen though.

I thought so too, but I saw a thread on the trade board from a Celtics fan about how they think he’s expendable and went off that haha. Didn’t look into it, but he said the lineup is just as productive with Smart in Brown’s place and was using that as grounds to trade him to upgrade the center position.

Him being expendable doesn't mean that they would trade him for that kinda package. Those 2 Dallas 1st rounders don't really have a lot of high end value IMO. They can just sign Frank as a free agent for the mid level a year from now if they really want him that badly when the Knicks don't resign him. I don't see the dying need for them to get a guy like Frank one year early. You can find a lot of guys like him on the free agent market. Those future 2nd rounders also don't have any real significant value. You're talking about a young 23 year old guy (Brown) coming off a season where he put up 20/6/2/1 while shooting 49% from the field, 38% from 3 (basically a 3 & D guy that can actually do more than just that).

Jalen Brown would cost require the Knicks package to at least start with either their own 1st rounder this year, RJ Barrett or Mitchell Robinson.

Yea I posted Jaylen for Mitch straight up.

Frank and those picks were for Huerter in a 3 team deal with the Hawks getting Jrue.

[3toheadmelo]

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[Nbabrothers]

If we don’t do the team options on all players eligible, who can we pick up this draft and free agents to fill all of those open slots? And will that be enough to make the playoffs or are we just banking on trying to tank again and go for the 2021 free agent class and draft?

[ForzaMetro]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/258412/Damian-Lillard-Thought-He-Would-Be-Traded-To-Knicks-A-Few-Years-Ago

Damian Lillard revealed in an interview with Lisa Robinson of Vanity Fair that he thought he might get traded to the New York Knicks

Lillard signed a four-year, $196 million supermax contract with the Portland Trail Blazers during the 2019 offseason.

"I thought I was headed there a few years ago; I was hearing trade rumors," said Lillard of the Knicks. "The Garden is my favorite place to play."

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Yet another superstar who loves the Garden who will totally never play here. Feels like there's a "superstars who almost came to the Knicks, but didn't" quota always filled.