BaF Season 4- Opening Night 12/1- (Announcement page 57)

[bringbackhoffa]

How about we all get drunk the day before free agency so we are a bit slow the next day and cannot send in as many messages?

[DOT]

I dont see how Pooch’s proposal will work. You’ll be locked in your bids and can’t alter them. It’s going to be a complete mess when you factor in free agency rankings. Imagine bidding on a player for $80 but losing him for $60 cause your rankings was lower and you couldn’t alter your bid.

But if you could afford to bid more than 80 and you wanted to keep that player for more than 80, just set your max bid at more than 80. If you can't afford more than 80 or you wouldn't spend more than 80 to get him, it wouldn't matter anyways

Just figure out what's the most amount you're willing or able to pay a guy and set that as your max bid. If you lose it means you wouldn't have gotten him even with the old system.

[bringbackhoffa]

I dont see how Pooch’s proposal will work. You’ll be locked in your bids and can’t alter them. It’s going to be a complete mess when you factor in free agency rankings. Imagine bidding on a player for $80 but losing him for $60 cause your rankings was lower and you couldn’t alter your bid.

But if you could afford to bid more than 80 and you wanted to keep that player for more than 80, just set your max bid at more than 80. If you can't afford more than 80 or you wouldn't spend more than 80 to get him, it wouldn't matter anyways

Just figure out what's the most amount you're willing or able to pay a guy and set that as your max bid. If you lose it means you wouldn't have gotten him even with the old system.

But what if you get 3 or 4 of the same type of player when you only wanted 1 but had to include them all in your list because you didn't know if you would land any of them?

[3toheadmelo]

I dont see how Pooch’s proposal will work. You’ll be locked in your bids and can’t alter them. It’s going to be a complete mess when you factor in free agency rankings. Imagine bidding on a player for $80 but losing him for $60 cause your rankings was lower and you couldn’t alter your bid.

But if you could afford to bid more than 80 and you wanted to keep that player for more than 80, just set your max bid at more than 80. If you can't afford more than 80 or you wouldn't spend more than 80 to get him, it wouldn't matter anyways

Just figure out what's the most amount you're willing or able to pay a guy and set that as your max bid. If you lose it means you wouldn't have gotten him even with the old system.

Let’s say you miss out on a higher target and want to go back to the player you wanted at $60 and is willing to raise it higher than $80. You wouldn’t be able to do that cause the bids are locked in and everything is final. So in this scenario you’ll end up with nobody. I’m not a fan of this. There’s been plenty of times I lose out on a higher target, I resort back to other players I was bidding on.

[El Poochio]

I think Pooch's plan needs a few tweaks but I like the general structure.

The biggest concern I have is a max offer may have year contingencies. Example - this year I was looking at two options for Rondo. I had a cap for a 5yr deal (S&T possibility) but if that cap was breached I was considering a much higher 1 yr deal option for myself using Birds. Obviously, I didn't ultimately pursue either route but those were both possibilities.

My initial grouse at Pooch's format sees that it limits some of this sort of flexibility. Overall, I think it's a better and more manageable approach and provides the bones for a better way going forward.

One issue I have with it is that in 2022 FA where teams will have so many needs and roster spots it seems like a one and done type thing.

For example if you are only looking for 1 or 2 guys it makes sense. If you have 10 needs. Like Say Lillard is your top priority $500 but you want Murray as your backup plan lets say for $300...but Murray is your backup plan and you have him listed as such but say you have $800 to spend. You might get both guards.

In a normal situation if you locked up Lillard you would obviously Pivot and not need another point guard.

Easy S&T

[3toheadmelo]

I dont see how Pooch’s proposal will work. You’ll be locked in your bids and can’t alter them. It’s going to be a complete mess when you factor in free agency rankings. Imagine bidding on a player for $80 but losing him for $60 cause your rankings was lower and you couldn’t alter your bid.

But if you could afford to bid more than 80 and you wanted to keep that player for more than 80, just set your max bid at more than 80. If you can't afford more than 80 or you wouldn't spend more than 80 to get him, it wouldn't matter anyways

Just figure out what's the most amount you're willing or able to pay a guy and set that as your max bid. If you lose it means you wouldn't have gotten him even with the old system.

But what if you get 3 or 4 of the same type of player when you only wanted 1 but had to include them all in your list because you didn't know if you would land any of them?

And that’s another problem with this. This is like a snake BAT all over again. But this is BAF... not bat.

[DOT]

I dont see how Pooch’s proposal will work. You’ll be locked in your bids and can’t alter them. It’s going to be a complete mess when you factor in free agency rankings. Imagine bidding on a player for $80 but losing him for $60 cause your rankings was lower and you couldn’t alter your bid.

But if you could afford to bid more than 80 and you wanted to keep that player for more than 80, just set your max bid at more than 80. If you can't afford more than 80 or you wouldn't spend more than 80 to get him, it wouldn't matter anyways

Just figure out what's the most amount you're willing or able to pay a guy and set that as your max bid. If you lose it means you wouldn't have gotten him even with the old system.

Let’s say you miss out on a higher target and want to go back to the player you wanted at $60 and is willing to raise it higher than $80. You wouldn’t be able to do that cause the bids are locked in and everything is final. So in this scenario you’ll end up with nobody. I’m not a fan of this. There’s been plenty of times I lose out on a higher target, I resort back to other players I was bidding on.

Yeah, there needs to be a way to renegotiate bids. Maybe, if you miss out on a player you bid over a certain amount on, you could then adjust your highest target's bid?

I'm just thinking about lowering bish's workload.

[El Poochio]

I dont see how Pooch’s proposal will work. You’ll be locked in your bids and can’t alter them. It’s going to be a complete mess when you factor in free agency rankings. Imagine bidding on a player for $80 but losing him for $60 cause your rankings was lower and you couldn’t alter your bid.

But if you could afford to bid more than 80 and you wanted to keep that player for more than 80, just set your max bid at more than 80. If you can't afford more than 80 or you wouldn't spend more than 80 to get him, it wouldn't matter anyways

Just figure out what's the most amount you're willing or able to pay a guy and set that as your max bid. If you lose it means you wouldn't have gotten him even with the old system.

But what if you get 3 or 4 of the same type of player when you only wanted 1 but had to include them all in your list because you didn't know if you would land any of them?

The Hoffa special of hoarding bigs

[3toheadmelo]

But if you could afford to bid more than 80 and you wanted to keep that player for more than 80, just set your max bid at more than 80. If you can't afford more than 80 or you wouldn't spend more than 80 to get him, it wouldn't matter anyways

Just figure out what's the most amount you're willing or able to pay a guy and set that as your max bid. If you lose it means you wouldn't have gotten him even with the old system.

Let’s say you miss out on a higher target and want to go back to the player you wanted at $60 and is willing to raise it higher than $80. You wouldn’t be able to do that cause the bids are locked in and everything is final. So in this scenario you’ll end up with nobody. I’m not a fan of this. There’s been plenty of times I lose out on a higher target, I resort back to other players I was bidding on.

Yeah, there needs to be a way to renegotiate bids. Maybe, if you miss out on a player you bid over a certain amount on, you could then adjust your highest target's bid?

I'm just thinking about lowering bish's workload.

I don’t know how you would renegotiate bids in this type of setup. It honestly just sounds too complicated to even come up a solution for this. I think pooch’s idea is nice and well thought out but I don’t see it working.

I still think we should just do the freezing time periods like we originally agreed on. It doesn’t drastically alter the game like pooch’s and mpharris’s proposals and it lowers bish’s work load. It’s not perfect but nothing we do will be perfect.

[bringbackhoffa]

The more and more I think about it, the freeze time periods is the best way to go without drastically changing free agency which for the most part works fine. If we can find a way to reduce messages to bish early on I think that would be great but that is difficult to do without adding significant changes which some have been opposed to. But we have time to figure this out people should keep throwing out ideas never know what could stick and make sense.

[2010]

I dont see how Pooch’s proposal will work. You’ll be locked in your bids and can’t alter them. It’s going to be a complete mess when you factor in free agency rankings. Imagine bidding on a player for $80 but losing him for $60 cause your rankings was lower and you couldn’t alter your bid.

Very good point.

As bish has stated, at the very least freeze periods and adding in Bird Rights FA holds is the starting point. Those changes are a given. The rest need more examination.

[mpharris36]

I dont see how Pooch’s proposal will work. You’ll be locked in your bids and can’t alter them. It’s going to be a complete mess when you factor in free agency rankings. Imagine bidding on a player for $80 but losing him for $60 cause your rankings was lower and you couldn’t alter your bid.

Very good point.

As bish has stated, at the very least freeze periods and adding in Bird Rights FA holds is the starting point. Those changes are a given. The rest need more examination.

Its the bare minimum...it will still be way to much to handle especially for 2022 FA.

[3toheadmelo]

The more and more I think about it, the freeze time periods is the best way to go without drastically changing free agency which for the most part works fine. If we can find a way to reduce messages to bish early on I think that would be great but that is difficult to do without adding significant changes which some have been opposed to. But we have time to figure this out people should keep throwing out ideas never know what could stick and make sense.

Yep. I am open to other suggestions but the freezing time periods seems like the only logical idea presented so far.

[Context]

"freezing time periods" I like it...

[Deeeez Knicks]

Let’s say you miss out on a higher target and want to go back to the player you wanted at $60 and is willing to raise it higher than $80. You wouldn’t be able to do that cause the bids are locked in and everything is final. So in this scenario you’ll end up with nobody. I’m not a fan of this. There’s been plenty of times I lose out on a higher target, I resort back to other players I was bidding on.

Yeah, there needs to be a way to renegotiate bids. Maybe, if you miss out on a player you bid over a certain amount on, you could then adjust your highest target's bid?

I'm just thinking about lowering bish's workload.

I don’t know how you would renegotiate bids in this type of setup. It honestly just sounds too complicated to even come up a solution for this. I think pooch’s idea is nice and well thought out but I don’t see it working.

I still think we should just do the freezing time periods like we originally agreed on. It doesn’t drastically alter the game like pooch’s and mpharris’s proposals and it lowers bish’s work load. It’s not perfect but nothing we do will be perfect.

Yea, i like the concept but it would be pretty complicated to figure out if every team has a huge list.

Also like being able to make adjustments, where if you sign a player at a price with your first bid, it changes what you want to do after that....making trades, drunk bids, angry bids when you get that last minute $1 raise, etc.

[bringbackhoffa]

The more and more I think about it, the freeze time periods is the best way to go without drastically changing free agency which for the most part works fine. If we can find a way to reduce messages to bish early on I think that would be great but that is difficult to do without adding significant changes which some have been opposed to. But we have time to figure this out people should keep throwing out ideas never know what could stick and make sense.

Yep. I am open to other suggestions but the freezing time periods seems like the only logical idea presented so far.

What if initially for like the top 15 to 20 players once bid on bish could say player x will not accept an offer less than $x next to their name and time stamp it. Doesn't mean if you offer more you would have the high bid because free agency ranking could play a role but would give teams a general idea whether to submit a bid and how much they should likely make an offer for. Once the top players are cleared up we could revert to the 150-200 other players that are free agents doing prolonged freezes and maybe skipping a day here and there for bish to relax and enjoy time with the family.

I do see the top players getting the most bids on hence thats why I recommended it for them but could easily be used on top whatever number of players.

[mpharris36]

Bish received 191 bids on Sunday (1st day).

Lets assume with every team able to spend money that could be over 500 easily probably more.

We would literally need to make the bidding periods like in 1-2 hour incriments. Like that is the only time you can submit a bid.

Then bish gets a few hours to post and update everything. Then another bidding period starts again so on and so forth.

It would require some heavy periods but the periods could last for more than an hour or two because it would be too much.

It would be challenging but could work but everyone would have to be around for the "bidding times" and bish would have to be around heavy during those periods so that people knew they were sending in winning bids.

[bringbackhoffa]

Bish received 191 bids on Sunday (1st day).

Lets assume with every team able to spend money that could be over 500 easily probably more.

We would literally need to make the bidding periods like in 1-2 hour incriments. Like that is the only time you can submit a bid.

Then bish gets a few hours to post and update everything. Then another bidding period starts again so on and so forth.

It would require some heavy periods but the periods could last for more than an hour or two because it would be too much.

It would be challenging but could work but everyone would have to be around for the "bidding times" and bish would have to be around heavy during those periods so that people knew they were sending in winning bids.

And that was with 1 superstar...

[3toheadmelo]

The more and more I think about it, the freeze time periods is the best way to go without drastically changing free agency which for the most part works fine. If we can find a way to reduce messages to bish early on I think that would be great but that is difficult to do without adding significant changes which some have been opposed to. But we have time to figure this out people should keep throwing out ideas never know what could stick and make sense.

Yep. I am open to other suggestions but the freezing time periods seems like the only logical idea presented so far.

What if initially for like the top 15 to 20 players once bid on bish could say player x will not accept an offer less than $x next to their name and time stamp it. Doesn't mean if you offer more you would have the high bid because free agency ranking could play a role but would give teams a general idea whether to submit a bid and how much they should likely make an offer for. Once the top players are cleared up we could revert to the 150-200 other players that are free agents doing prolonged freezes and maybe skipping a day here and there for bish to relax and enjoy time with the family.

I do see the top players getting the most bids on hence thats why I recommended it for them but could easily be used on top whatever number of players.

Like I told you before I wouldn’t go for anything public. I’m not down for that. Even for top 15 players.

Just stick with the freezing time periods and make it simple.

[mpharris36]

Bish received 191 bids on Sunday (1st day).

Lets assume with every team able to spend money that could be over 500 easily probably more.

We would literally need to make the bidding periods like in 1-2 hour incriments. Like that is the only time you can submit a bid.

Then bish gets a few hours to post and update everything. Then another bidding period starts again so on and so forth.

It would require some heavy periods but the periods could last for more than an hour or two because it would be too much.

It would be challenging but could work but everyone would have to be around for the "bidding times" and bish would have to be around heavy during those periods so that people knew they were sending in winning bids.

And that was with 1 superstar...

agreed the freezing works perfectly for us....its the bare minimum help for bish which is why he asked for help in the first place we got to add something to it to help.