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Post#821 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:03 pm

yeah if all this regime with all there cache can do is overpay Dennis Schroder in FA what good is WWW and Leon and CAA for?

Steve Mills could overpay Schroder.
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Post#822 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:05 pm

For what it’s worth, Schroder averaged 17.7 PPG 8 APG on 46/40/86 splits without Lebron. So I can see why the Knicks would be interested in him as a lead guard. It’s risky for sure but could work out.
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Post#823 » by Buttah304 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:06 pm

mpharris36 wrote:yeah if all this regime with all there cache can do is overpay Dennis Schroder in FA what good is WWW and Leon and CAA for?

Steve Mills could overpay Schroder.


Thank you.

If Thibs REALLY wants his North South Guard get the player who is 5 years younger in Sexton. At the very least his production is on the rise and I believe under the right guidance he can get to another level with Thibs.

But Schroder? For the life of me I can’t understand this.
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Post#824 » by Buttah304 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:09 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:For what it’s worth, Schroder averaged 17.7 PPG 8 APG on 46/40/86 splits without Lebron. So I can see why the Knicks would be interested in him as a lead guard. It’s risky for sure but could work out.


It’s not that he’s not talented or a good player. He definitely is. But my line of thinking is the following: You clear up $56 million in cap space and you make moves on draft night to create even more cap and Rose and Co look at Schroeder as the big FA get?

Like we have been saying go get Sexton if Thibs is salivating for his attacking guard.
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Post#825 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:09 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:For what it’s worth, Schroder averaged 17.7 PPG 8 APG on 46/40/86 splits without Lebron. So I can see why the Knicks would be interested in him as a lead guard. It’s risky for sure but could work out.


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Post#826 » by Buttah304 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:15 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:For what it’s worth, Schroder averaged 17.7 PPG 8 APG on 46/40/86 splits without Lebron. So I can see why the Knicks would be interested in him as a lead guard. It’s risky for sure but could work out.


How many games?


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Post#827 » by DOT » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:15 pm

I wouldn't hate Schroder for the right price

He's a pretty average starting PG, but still a starting PG

I'd rather someone who's a better defender and better shooter (though he isn't terrible at that now, 35.5% over the past 3 years), but he's fine

I don't want to pay him what he wants to get paid though.
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Post#828 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:15 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:For what it’s worth, Schroder averaged 17.7 PPG 8 APG on 46/40/86 splits without Lebron. So I can see why the Knicks would be interested in him as a lead guard. It’s risky for sure but could work out.


It’s not that he’s not talented or a good player. He definitely is. But my line of thinking is the following: You clear up $56 million in cap space and you make moves on draft night to create even more cap and Rose and Co look at Schroeder as the big FA get?

Like we have been saying go get Sexton if Thibs is salivating for his attacking guard.

I’m definitely with you on Sexton. They’re probably going for Schroder if they can’t get him though.

And yeah it’s disappointing if he’s our big FA get.. but this free agency class is a bit meh so I’m not sure we have a lot of options anyways. Schroder could be a nice trade piece for a bigger player though.
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Post#829 » by Buttah304 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:19 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:For what it’s worth, Schroder averaged 17.7 PPG 8 APG on 46/40/86 splits without Lebron. So I can see why the Knicks would be interested in him as a lead guard. It’s risky for sure but could work out.


It’s not that he’s not talented or a good player. He definitely is. But my line of thinking is the following: You clear up $56 million in cap space and you make moves on draft night to create even more cap and Rose and Co look at Schroeder as the big FA get?

Like we have been saying go get Sexton if Thibs is salivating for his attacking guard.

I’m definitely with you on Sexton. They’re probably going for Schroder if they can’t get him though.

And yeah it’s disappointing if he’s our big FA get.. but this free agency class is a bit meh so I’m not sure we have a lot of options anyways. Schroder could be a nice trade piece for a bigger player though.


Speaking of guards, when the Bulls pay BIG money for Lonzo and they finish 12 games under .500 I’m going to laugh when LaVine doesn’t sign with them.
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Post#830 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:21 pm

Schroeder has talent and I remember mentioning to a lot of people that he would prob be a target since he's the type of guard thibs likes. But 20 MM for him is absurd.

And if that's the "big" FA acquisition it would be really underwhelming
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Post#831 » by Blue_Orange » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:26 pm

I could understand going after Schroeder because we wouldn't be giving up any assets like in a Sexton trade. Sexton could end up being better for us long term but what would we have to give up (I doubt Obi and picks gets it done)? We could keep those assets and use them to build more in addition to Schroeder. I'm guessing this would be after Paul and Lowry turn us down as well.

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Post#832 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:31 pm

Blue_Orange wrote:I could understand going after Schroeder because we wouldn't be giving up any assets like in a Sexton trade. Sexton could end up being better for us long term but what would we have to give up (I doubt Obi and picks gets it done)? We could keep those assets and use them to build more in addition to Schroeder. I'm guessing this would be after Paul and Lowry turn us down as well.

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Post#833 » by K_ick_God » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:31 pm

OT somewhat but I think Obi will have a breakout season ... somewhere.
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Post#834 » by RHODEY » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:35 pm

So went with Fit in the draft ....defensive players who could also shoot. I was told we would try to add lead talent in Free Agency. I was like "OK"...
And now we are signing the likes of Schroeder? If we had known this I would have expected us to go for big swings in the draft. And is it me o r is our team shrinking with all these little players we are adding. Teams with giant wings and guards will be salivating.
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Post#835 » by robillionaire » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 pm

K-DOT wrote:I wouldn't hate Schroder for the right price

He's a pretty average starting PG, but still a starting PG

I'd rather someone who's a better defender and better shooter (though he isn't terrible at that now, 35.5% over the past 3 years), but he's fine

I don't want to pay him what he wants to get paid though.


I think that's debatable. I think it's questionable that he should be a starting PG and if he is, he is a below average starting PG. He's not a bad player but I think he's a top tier backup caliber PG moreso than a starter. So yeah, that's who we will get :lol:

He'd be an upgrade from the Jarrett Jacks and Ramon Sessions and Emmanual Mudiay and Frank Ntilikina and Elfrid Paytons of the world, sure. But I'd still be looking to upgrade the position even if we got Dennis
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Post#836 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:42 pm

RHODEY wrote:So went with Fit in the draft ....defensive players who could also shoot. I was told we would try to add lead talent in Free Agency. I was like "OK"...
And now we are signing the likes of Schroeder? If we had known this I would have expected us to go for big swings in the draft. And is it me o r is our team shrinking with all these little players we are adding. Teams with giant wings and guards will be salivating.


Drafting in the 20s and 30s isn't where you get lead talent...unless you get lucky and find the gem. Who told you we would go after lead talent in FA? You have sauces? This FA class is devoid of lead talent and we are not the team getting any of it that is available. Not sure what many expected this off season to be but... there's not much to get excited about. The only options we have for lead talent is taking a risk and overpaying RFAs or gutting the team when a star requests a trade here.
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Post#837 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:50 pm

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It’s not that he’s not talented or a good player. He definitely is. But my line of thinking is the following: You clear up $56 million in cap space and you make moves on draft night to create even more cap and Rose and Co look at Schroeder as the big FA get?

Like we have been saying go get Sexton if Thibs is salivating for his attacking guard.

I’m definitely with you on Sexton. They’re probably going for Schroder if they can’t get him though.

And yeah it’s disappointing if he’s our big FA get.. but this free agency class is a bit meh so I’m not sure we have a lot of options anyways. Schroder could be a nice trade piece for a bigger player though.


Speaking of guards, when the Bulls pay BIG money for Lonzo and they finish 12 games under .500 I’m going to laugh when LaVine doesn’t sign with them.

On the low they have a good guard in Ayo Dosunmu but they’re gonna overpay Lonzo instead of giving Ayo the keys. I don’t mind though. Lavine is ours in 22 8-)
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Post#838 » by Richard4444 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:56 pm

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Ok. Got that first sentence out of the way. I mean, otherwise, why would I have thought for 10 minutes "Just what the hell are the Knicks going to do on Monday"

Not trying to stake out every option so I can say I was right later. I've been convinced they are trading for Sexton. I still think it's a maybe. I've advocated for guards from Powell to Fournier to Trent Jr to even DeRozan, though in certain contexts.
I've floated the idea of a Sexton/Ball backcourt. I think I've seen some Oubre smoke.

I think it comes down to Sexton OR Ball, and more likely Ball and:

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Ball there just seems like there is loose chatter around him. Beal is connected to WWW. The Knicks went through some effort to get extra assets. I have no idea what a Knicks/Washington trade looks like. Washington made statements that moving Westbrook was to create room to get a guy next to Beal but I'm not buying that. They cleared one big contract, they are moving the other.

I don't even like this move the best, but I think it's the move.

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I'm not putting in any of Vildoza, McBride, Grimes, Obi, Knox because I'd think most of them are going out. I know. It doesn't make sense, maybe RJ would be in the trade TO them, but I think Beal goes for some of this years picks and a lot of future picks and Washington starts a rebuild\pivot away from the Westbrook\Beal thing. Maybe RJ's in the trade and they sign Oubre. Lol.


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Post#839 » by Richard4444 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:09 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:yeah if all this regime with all there cache can do is overpay Dennis Schroder in FA what good is WWW and Leon and CAA for?

Steve Mills could overpay Schroder.


Thank you.

If Thibs REALLY wants his North South Guard get the player who is 5 years younger in Sexton. At the very least his production is on the rise and I believe under the right guidance he can get to another level with Thibs.

But Schroder? For the life of me I can’t understand this.


I fear Cavs price for Sexton is way too steep.
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