Build a Franchise (Season 5) Bubble Tournament Edition

[Capn'O]

Nurkic was a 55. I was so pissed.

[Buzzard]

I said few! Not only

Yes Ayton/Jrue/Gobert/Giannis/AD were the only 100 DEF ratings I believe.

I think Ben SImmons was a 99.

Ayton getting that rating is a bad joke. He might be a 90.

Jrue, Giannis, Draymond, Gobert, Simmons, Bam, Butler, Embiid, Leonard could all be given a 100 and not get a lot of push back on.

Kawhi was a 96
Bam was a 91
Butler was a 90

Embiid had a poor year for his standards the previous year so he wasn't close to a 90

I think the other big defensive player was Isaac who was in the mid 90's as well since he is one of the best defenders in the sport.

Draymond was a high 80 as well.

For the most part I think the SIM did a good job there on the DEF ratings.

The RL NBA All Defensive Team disagrees with you. The only reason I would dock any of those players is for availability. Not ability. I like Ayton and his future. But he is not all defense team worthy right now.

[mpharris36]

Nurkic was a 55. I was so pissed.

Yeah that was a odd one. I know he was hurt that year but he did have 2 blocks and 1.4 steals per game...usually that results in a high DEF rating in the SIM.

[mpharris36]

Ayton getting that rating is a bad joke. He might be a 90.

Jrue, Giannis, Draymond, Gobert, Simmons, Bam, Butler, Embiid, Leonard could all be given a 100 and not get a lot of push back on.

Kawhi was a 96
Bam was a 91
Butler was a 90

Embiid had a poor year for his standards the previous year so he wasn't close to a 90

I think the other big defensive player was Isaac who was in the mid 90's as well since he is one of the best defenders in the sport.

Draymond was a high 80 as well.

For the most part I think the SIM did a good job there on the DEF ratings.

The RL NBA All Defensive Team disagrees with you. The only reason I would dock any of those players is for availability. Not ability. I like Ayton and his future. But he is not all defense team worthy right now.

Remember the results from last year are based on the 19-20 season for the most part. Not last year. So they are actually pretty accurate.

Also NBA-defensive awards are sometimes popularity contests.

But off the list https://www.nba.com/2019-20-all-defensive-teams-official-release

3 100 rated players
1 99 rated played

And Smart I believe was a 90 or something like that with elite steal rating.

If you only complaint is 1 player (ayton maybe being slightly rated from 100 to somewhere in the 90s)...I think again that pretty good.

[Buzzard]

Kawhi was a 96
Bam was a 91
Butler was a 90

Embiid had a poor year for his standards the previous year so he wasn't close to a 90

I think the other big defensive player was Isaac who was in the mid 90's as well since he is one of the best defenders in the sport.

Draymond was a high 80 as well.

For the most part I think the SIM did a good job there on the DEF ratings.

The RL NBA All Defensive Team disagrees with you. The only reason I would dock any of those players is for availability. Not ability. I like Ayton and his future. But he is not all defense team worthy right now.

Remember the results from last year are based on the 19-20 season for the most part. Not last year. So they are actually pretty accurate.

Also NBA-defensive awards are sometimes popularity contests.

But off the list https://www.nba.com/2019-20-all-defensive-teams-official-release

3 100 rated players
1 99 rated played

And Smart I believe was a 90 or something like that with elite steal rating.

If you only complaint is 1 player (ayton maybe being slightly rated from 100 to somewhere in the 90s)...I think again that pretty good.

Ayton two seasons ago was worse than a 90. 2020/21 he improved his defense. My complaint is all those players except the ones who got a 95 - 100.

[mpharris36]

The RL NBA All Defensive Team disagrees with you. The only reason I would dock any of those players is for availability. Not ability. I like Ayton and his future. But he is not all defense team worthy right now.

Remember the results from last year are based on the 19-20 season for the most part. Not last year. So they are actually pretty accurate.

Also NBA-defensive awards are sometimes popularity contests.

But off the list https://www.nba.com/2019-20-all-defensive-teams-official-release

3 100 rated players
1 99 rated played

And Smart I believe was a 90 or something like that with elite steal rating.

If you only complaint is 1 player (ayton maybe being slightly rated from 100 to somewhere in the 90s)...I think again that pretty good.

Ayton two seasons ago was worse than a 90. 2020/21 he improved his defense. My complaint is all those players except the ones who got a 95 - 100.

Ayton defense made the big jump his sophmore year not just this past year. I think his sophmore year I think Ayton had the best or one of the best interior FG% against in the entire NBA. I may be wrong but I think his numbers were pretty crazy in 19/20 defensively.


90+ is a pretty fantastic defensive rating. So its not slight to get someone rated in the 90's its actually pretty difficult and should be difficult to receive a 90+ rating in any individual statistic.

Again we are nitpicking. The ratings were good.

[Buzzard]

Remember the results from last year are based on the 19-20 season for the most part. Not last year. So they are actually pretty accurate.

Also NBA-defensive awards are sometimes popularity contests.

But off the list https://www.nba.com/2019-20-all-defensive-teams-official-release

3 100 rated players
1 99 rated played

And Smart I believe was a 90 or something like that with elite steal rating.

If you only complaint is 1 player (ayton maybe being slightly rated from 100 to somewhere in the 90s)...I think again that pretty good.

Ayton two seasons ago was worse than a 90. 2020/21 he improved his defense. My complaint is all those players except the ones who got a 95 - 100.

Ayton defense made the big jump his sophmore year not just this past year.


90+ is a pretty fantastic defensive rating.

Again we are nitpicking. The ratings were good.

I will nitpick all I want. Ten point swings in ratings is huge. You might as well be saying Gay at 78 in 2K is similar to Zion at 89 in 2K. No big deal just an 11 point swing

You are to funny in your defense of these ratings.

[3toheadmelo]

Ayton two seasons ago was worse than a 90. 2020/21 he improved his defense. My complaint is all those players except the ones who got a 95 - 100.

Ayton defense made the big jump his sophmore year not just this past year.


90+ is a pretty fantastic defensive rating.

Again we are nitpicking. The ratings were good.

I will nitpick all I want. Ten point swings in ratings is huge. You might as well be saying Gay at 78 in 2K is similar to Zion at 89 in 2K. No big deal just an 11 point swing

You are to funny in your defense of these ratings.

why are you nitpicking but expect KP to have a good defensive rating when he's one of the worst big men defenders in the league now though

As good as the lineups with both Dončić and Porzingis are on offense, they are equally bad on defense this season. The team has a defensive rating of 120.83 when Dončić and Porzingis play together, which ranks in the bottom 7 percentile of all lineups in the league. Interestingly, the Mavericks defend at a pretty high level when none or only one of them is on the floor.

[Buzzard]

Ayton defense made the big jump his sophmore year not just this past year.


90+ is a pretty fantastic defensive rating.

Again we are nitpicking. The ratings were good.

I will nitpick all I want. Ten point swings in ratings is huge. You might as well be saying Gay at 78 in 2K is similar to Zion at 89 in 2K. No big deal just an 11 point swing

You are to funny in your defense of these ratings.

why are you nitpicking but expect KP to have a good defensive rating when he's one of the worst big men defenders in the league now though

As good as the lineups with both Dončić and Porzingis are on offense, they are equally bad on defense this season. The team has a defensive rating of 120.83 when Dončić and Porzingis play together, which ranks in the bottom 7 percentile of all lineups in the league. Interestingly, the Mavericks defend at a pretty high level when none or only one of them is on the floor.

I don't expect it to be honest. KPs current rating was based on two years ago when he was close to stellar. Its really going to come down to how the raters project him based on his history of good defense vs his one season of bad defense. I have no idea what to expect...

[mpharris36]

Ayton two seasons ago was worse than a 90. 2020/21 he improved his defense. My complaint is all those players except the ones who got a 95 - 100.

Ayton defense made the big jump his sophmore year not just this past year.


90+ is a pretty fantastic defensive rating.

Again we are nitpicking. The ratings were good.

I will nitpick all I want. Ten point swings in ratings is huge. You might as well be saying Gay at 78 in 2K is similar to Zion at 89 in 2K. No big deal just an 11 point swing

You are to funny in your defense of these ratings.

Because there is simply nothing better.

Same can be said about your constant issues with a SIM

and are you comparing an individual rating skill to an overall rating...we are talking apples to oranges.

[Buzzard]

Ayton defense made the big jump his sophmore year not just this past year.


90+ is a pretty fantastic defensive rating.

Again we are nitpicking. The ratings were good.

I will nitpick all I want. Ten point swings in ratings is huge. You might as well be saying Gay at 78 in 2K is similar to Zion at 89 in 2K. No big deal just an 11 point swing

You are to funny in your defense of these ratings.

Because there is simply nothing better.

Same can be said about your constant issues with a SIM

and are you comparing a individual rating skill to an overall rating...we are talking apples to oranges.

Defense is one half of the court.

[3toheadmelo]

I will nitpick all I want. Ten point swings in ratings is huge. You might as well be saying Gay at 78 in 2K is similar to Zion at 89 in 2K. No big deal just an 11 point swing

You are to funny in your defense of these ratings.

why are you nitpicking but expect KP to have a good defensive rating when he's one of the worst big men defenders in the league now though

As good as the lineups with both Dončić and Porzingis are on offense, they are equally bad on defense this season. The team has a defensive rating of 120.83 when Dončić and Porzingis play together, which ranks in the bottom 7 percentile of all lineups in the league. Interestingly, the Mavericks defend at a pretty high level when none or only one of them is on the floor.

I don't expect it to be honest. KPs current rating was based on two years ago when he was close to stellar. Its really going to come down to how the raters project him based on his history of good defense vs his one season of bad defense. I have no idea what to expect...

seems like they go off the most recent season instead of past repuation. we'll see what happens i guess

[mpharris36]

I will nitpick all I want. Ten point swings in ratings is huge. You might as well be saying Gay at 78 in 2K is similar to Zion at 89 in 2K. No big deal just an 11 point swing

You are to funny in your defense of these ratings.

Because there is simply nothing better.

Same can be said about your constant issues with a SIM

and are you comparing a individual rating skill to an overall rating...we are talking apples to oranges.

Defense is one half of the court.

But the DEF rating only makes up one individual def statistic. There is DEF rebounding, steals, blocks, IQ, fouling ect...all incorporate along with defense that make up a players defensive skill.

[Buzzard]

Because there is simply nothing better.

Same can be said about your constant issues with a SIM

and are you comparing a individual rating skill to an overall rating...we are talking apples to oranges.

Defense is one half of the court.

But the DEF rating only makes up one individual def statistic. There is DEF rebounding, steals, blocks, IQ, fouling ect...all incorporate along with defense that make up a players defensive skill.

My beef is simple. They don't stay on top of it. So obvious mistakes and updates are not fixed or added. My opinion is not going to change just because you like their ratings.

[Buzzard]

I had this thought. Since the BAF staff cannot keep up; maybe they should use the 2K22 Ratings.

Examples:
2K22 Rating of 95 - 100 = 5 Stars
2K22 Rating of 90 - 94 = 4.5 Stars
2K22 Rating of 85 - 89 = 4.0 Stars
2K22 Rating of 80 - 84 = 3.5 Stars
2K22 Rating of 75 - 79 = 3.0 Stars
2K22 Rating of 70 - 74 = 2.5 Stars
2K22 Rating of 65 - 69 = 2.0 Stars

Under this, Luka would have a 4.5. Due to his lack of defense, I think that is fair. Zion would have a 4.0. Due to his lack of defense and shooting, I think that is fair.

Send this to BAF Rating Team and tell them they are welcome

I am going to bow out now. Its getting close to dinner time.

[Capn'O]

Buzz, imo, your concerns are better directed towards the developers. I'd be happy to co-sign. Mid-season updates, in particular, would be quite valued. We can only work with the platforms we are given and I would not support changing platforms. I'd still far prefer it overall to, say, 2k for reasons already cited but there is absolutely room for improvement.

[br7knicks]

The case for butler being the best defender can easily be made. Not sure why he's not at the top with others. That's a joke.

[mpharris36]

Buzz, imo, your concerns are better directed towards the developers. I'd be happy to co-sign. Mid-season updates, in particular, would be quite valued. We can only work with the platforms we are given and I would not support changing platforms. I'd still far prefer it overall to, say, 2k for reasons already cited but there is absolutely room for improvement.

There is no way 2K comes even comes close to Wolverine SIM in terms are accuracy. I have seen way to many blowouts and even when the games are just simmed and not watched the end of the year numbers still seemed crazy to me.

There were guys shooting 50% from 3 in 2K when simming the entire season that have never shot above 40% in there NBA careers.

Wolverine Studious is the best we have. Is it perfect? No

Is there a better alternative? No

[br7knicks]

Buzz, imo, your concerns are better directed towards the developers. I'd be happy to co-sign. Mid-season updates, in particular, would be quite valued. We can only work with the platforms we are given and I would not support changing platforms. I'd still far prefer it overall to, say, 2k for reasons already cited but there is absolutely room for improvement.

I haven't been keeping up with the thread today.


But the sim is the best out there. But I do think a mid year update would be ideal.

The developers need to catch any crazy outbreaks or major dips.

[mpharris36]

The case for butler being the best defender can easily be made. Not sure why he's not at the top with others. That's a joke.

Butler is a fantastic defender. At this point in his career I don't think I could make a case for him being the best defender in the sport.

Personally I don't think he's the best defender on his team.