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[3toheadmelo]

put our record with brunson against all the rest i mentioned. see the result.

You’re going to great lengths to make the argument… that we did not actually finish fifth in the league, third in the East? Or shouldn’t have? But we did. You cannot change that. Or is it that you personally don’t find our roster very good? Objectively, that’s a lot of negativity man. What are you even doing here?

this post right here is when you admitted you lost. nice talking to you.

Lmaoo

[3toheadmelo]

its tough for me to reconcile you saying wasting away brunson prime of his career but also saying he is the reason we will never be in the tier because we acknowledge he isn't a good defender. The best player on a team being 6'1 just typically doesn't win historically in the NBA. So we were always going to have a uphill battle no matter what for the top of top teams.

We built this team around brunson (for better or worse). Is it at "peak form" no...do i thnk we played as well as we should have this year "no". Lets see if last night sparks some things because the team played with the most fire and desire (shout out clyde) pretty much all season. Just attacking the glass, being physical ect...

I also think people in CLE thought there roster was capped out as well and didn't think a coaching change would matter and that was huge for them. Also just meshing and building chemistry matters. I know we all think in that "video game" mindset where you make a trade(s) they all of a sudden everything clicks. Especially when you are going against fine tune teams like BOS and OKC who have been together for years.

Even Miami when they brought the big 3 in had ups and down there first year...because playing together and developing chemistry takes time. Now we are talking different levels to this because certainly our teams is not Lebron/Wade/Bosh ect...but the point remains. Chemistry takes time with players. And the coach thing is what it is...I will hold judgement until our final results in the playoffs before I make the call completely on Thibs for next year but I do think he is holding us back in some ways which you are overlooking the impact.

Where did I say we will never be in that elite tier because of Brunson? I said we will never be in that tier because we have multiple bad defenders in the lineup where their offense doesn't outweigh their negatives on defense (besides brunson). You can win with brunson, but if you're putting a bunch of awful defenders around him you're setting yourself up for failure.

You guys are forgetting that the Cavs has a bunch of young players. They were bound to get better regardless. And they also have great two good defenders in their front court which puts them at a major advantage over us. We have zero good defenders in the front court.

The Heat went to the finals in their first year. I watched a bunch of their games that season because I live in fl. We are not even close to being on their level. And they had 3 hall of famers. So I don't really get the comparison. A better comparison for us is being the Toronto Raptors when they had lowry and derozan. Good enough to beat up on bad teams in the regular season, but we get exposed against the elite contenders.

I don't really care if we fire Thibs. Honestly, I might be on that hire JVG train anyways. But even then, no matter who the coach is you aren't going to win a chip if you have a bunch of trash defenders in the starting lineup. That's where I stand on this. So we will prob never see eye to eye on this.

Heres to hoping we look better next year lol

Essentially the bolded. I completely agree with that. To me I was looking forward to see if two elite offensive players in Brunson and KAT can outweigh the defensive shortcomings but as of today it does not seem so. Part of it has been KAT being too passive at times but a bigger part of it is that having two defensive liabilities puts a great burden on your defense and it seems close to impossible to play great defense for long stretches. You can get a couple good stops here and there and put together some ok defense but I doubt we can realistically be better than a fringe top 10 defense with both of them. For us to be a top 8-10 defense and then really compete for a title, we'd have to be the best offense in the league hands down. I don't see it.

There is still part of me thinking that KAT could potentially be a guy that can get you 28/12/5 type of numbers if you put maximum trust in him and run much more offense through him. However I do think that if you have JB at the 1 the "easiest path to a real contender is having everyone else be a good defender with a defending C orchestrating the defense. Especially if This was to remain coach. Of course you would have to turn KAT into a 2-way PF/C that can score 18-20 points as well (think Adebayo type level or JJJ).

JB-Bridges-OG-Adebayo or JJJ-Mitch......of course that would all be contingent on Mitch staying healthy and getting back to where he was before the injury.

Exactly why this team is never going to win a chip. In order to compensate for our awful defense, we need to be the best offensive team in the league. It's never happening. Just look what happened in our last game. We had 4 players score 20+ points and we BARELY beat a pistons team. And it's going to be nearly impossible to win with KAT at the 5. If we can turn KAT into someone like Bam that would be great. Bam and OG switching on 1-5 would be amazing to watch.

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[spree2kawhi]

You mean when objectively we haven’t had Brunson for a month? Personally, I wouldn’t even bet on us against the Clippers, but it is what it is.

put our record with brunson against all the rest i mentioned. see the result.

edit. i did it for you -

knicks winning percentage is 61.54 with brunson this year
lakers with luka 64.29
clippers with kawhi 70.27
warriors with jimmy 76.67

objectively, we're worse. in an easier conference.

edit 2 - by the way, since you want it all this way, objectively it's an easier conference. that's not an opinion. the combined record of all the east teams win-loss is worse than the west. and head to head the west is better also.

How fitting he had no response to this objective post

I did, we are fifth in the league. As in actually finished the season with the fifth-best record - in the real world. A stretch is no result. Saying I didn’t have an answer doesn’t mean I didn’t have an answer. Idgaf about you, troll. Cry elsewhere.

[3toheadmelo]

put our record with brunson against all the rest i mentioned. see the result.

edit. i did it for you -

knicks winning percentage is 61.54 with brunson this year
lakers with luka 64.29
clippers with kawhi 70.27
warriors with jimmy 76.67

objectively, we're worse. in an easier conference.

edit 2 - by the way, since you want it all this way, objectively it's an easier conference. that's not an opinion. the combined record of all the east teams win-loss is worse than the west. and head to head the west is better also.

How fitting he had no response to this objective post

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[spree2kawhi]

I'm butthurt this team has not lived up to it's expectations so I continue to lash out and attack anyone that doesn't agree with me. I also have a really big ego so I won't admit this team is not a top 5 roster so I'll act delusional about it even if it makes me look dumb. I'm delusional.

Fixed it for accuracy.

I think it’s fair to say you’ve been the single most butthurt poster here ever since Randle-gate. I know it must have been embarrassing and maybe folks pushed it too far. Did it hurt? But in fact I have nothing to be butthurt about as management literally followed through on all the transactions I had hoped for (OG, Towns, Mikal). I’m happy, you know? Meanwhile, you have nothing on me and I’m merely pointing out how wrong you are all the time. That’s quite a lot to do.

Name big-3s currently better than KAT, Brunson, OG. You may find 5 (I find only four), but how many are clearly better? Or actually, please don’t. We’ve all seen the hypocrite you are and I won’t bother arguing with fools anymore.

To me you’re an embarrassment rooting for us to fail because you feel so small. Bye.

[3toheadmelo]

I'm butthurt this team has not lived up to it's expectations so I continue to lash out and attack anyone that doesn't agree with me. I also have a really big ego so I won't admit this team is not a top 5 roster so I'll act delusional about it even if it makes me look dumb. I'm delusional.

Fixed it for accuracy.

Im delusional as hell and I love embarrassing myself with awful takes everyday while simultaneously lashing out at people because they don’t agree with my terrible takes. I think I’m always right even though no one agrees with my “objective takes”. I love being wrong all the time.

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[Spree2Houston]

I'm butthurt this team has not lived up to it's expectations so I continue to lash out and attack anyone that doesn't agree with me. I also have a really big ego so I won't admit this team is not a top 5 roster so I'll act delusional about it even if it makes me look dumb. I'm delusional.

Fixed it for accuracy.

I think it’s fair to say you’ve been the single most butthurt poster here ever since Randle-gate. I know it must have been embarrassing and maybe folks pushed it too far. Did it hurt? But in fact I have nothing to be butthurt about as management literally followed through on all the transactions I had hoped for (OG, Towns, Mikal). I’m happy, you know? Meanwhile, you have nothing on me and I’m merely pointing out how wrong you are all the time. That’s quite a lot to do.

Name big-3s currently better than KAT, Brunson, OG. You may find 5 (I find only four), but how many are clearly better? Or actually, please don’t. We’ve all seen the hypocrite you are and I won’t bother arguing with fools anymore.

To me you’re an embarrassment rooting for us to fail because you feel so small. Bye.

Question - Are you an actual Knick fan ? Or just a fan of the players we acquired. I’ve hardly seen you here until this year.

[spree2kawhi]

Fixed it for accuracy.

I think it’s fair to say you’ve been the single most butthurt poster here ever since Randle-gate. I know it must have been embarrassing and maybe folks pushed it too far. Did it hurt? But in fact I have nothing to be butthurt about as management literally followed through on all the transactions I had hoped for (OG, Towns, Mikal). I’m happy, you know? Meanwhile, you have nothing on me and I’m merely pointing out how wrong you are all the time. That’s quite a lot to do.

Name big-3s currently better than KAT, Brunson, OG. You may find 5 (I find only four), but how many are clearly better? Or actually, please don’t. We’ve all seen the hypocrite you are and I won’t bother arguing with fools anymore.

To me you’re an embarrassment rooting for us to fail because you feel so small. Bye.

Question - Are you an actual Knick fan ? Or just a fan of the players we acquired. I’ve hardly seen you here until this year.

I went from the Sprewell acquisition to hoping we’d somehow land Kawhi instead of Kyrie Irving. Turned out to be Julius Randle. I’ve banged my head against the wall during every spinning-turnover until we were finally freed from this overdribbling ball-hog. We do not miss him. You may disagree with me, but I’ve seen enough of Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas’s logic to finally enjoy what’s in front of me right now.

[3toheadmelo]

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[Guano]

Top 5?

Hell we have the best player in the L so logically we have the best roster

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Also kinda nasty that a C fan is in here talkin sht about our knicks. Lawlessness!

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Dame part of the hating hali club. A real one.

Also getting clamped by Dame. Sad. Imagine rooting for a bum like him. Embarrassing. I know a certain TikTok star who likes to drive a lil recklessly that would never let that happen.

[3toheadmelo]

Randle balling again

[El Poochio]

We are not worse than Lakers or Warriors yall are bugging

We have only 4 good players but they have even less

[3toheadmelo]

I can’t believe I have to root for Gobert

[3toheadmelo]

3toheadrandle! 21 points at the half.

[bronxknicksfan1]

3toheadrandle! 21 points at the half.

I take back all the bad things I’ve said about him. Playoff Randle has been something else. Too bad he couldn’t do it here

[3toheadmelo]

3toheadrandle! 21 points at the half.

I take back all the bad things I’ve said about him. Playoff Randle has been something else. Too bad he couldn’t do it here

We prob would’ve seen this Randle last year if he wasn’t hurt. That sucked. But I’m happy to see him prove everyone wrong now. That must feel great for him. Also happy KAT hit some big time daggers for us today.

[Im Coming Home]

Glad to see Randle finally playing well in the playoffs, I guess the pressure of NY and thinking he was still the number 1 option, where in Minny he knows he's number 2 at best, allows him to relax a bit.

[god shammgod]

Hell of a game