[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

[god shammgod]

(I've kept this on my desktop).

$60m cap = $18m for Melo

Stat – 18.2
Melo - 18
Felton – 7.6
Chander cap hold – 6.4
Turiaf 4.4
Gallo 4.2
Mozgov 3.3
Randolph 3
Douglas 1.2
Walker .9
Fields .8
Rautins .8

$68.8m

What Chandler eventually signs for is NOT important, assuming he's willing to complete his contract after the Knicks maximize their cap spending.

If he's willing to play ball, Knicks slot him in at $6.4, use as much cap space as they have and THEN sign him to the 5/$60m deal.

our first round pick is going to cost money too and we can't trade it because of no pick in 2012. you need to add that in.

[Fury]

I'm sure we can trade it during or after the draft.

[FieldsMedal]

I'm sure we can trade it during or after the draft.

Yeah, that's the easiest thing in the world to shed, but it's indeed correct that should be factored in.

[god shammgod]

I'm sure we can trade it during or after the draft.

Yeah, that's the easiest thing in the world to shed, but it's indeed correct that should be factored in.

unless there's a lockout coming and those picks become worthless because nobody declares. it would be hard to convince someone to buy it then.

[FieldsMedal]

unless there's a lockout coming and those picks become worthless because nobody declares. it would be hard to convince someone to buy it then.

Do they even hold a draft during a lockout?

But I still wouldn't worry about it.

All first round picks's contracts are only guaranteed 2 years, at which point teams have team options.

The first two years salary of a 15th pick in 2011-12 is just a little over $3m.

For a 20th pick, it's only $2.4.

Team can include $3m in a trade.

What team with a roster spot wouldn't take an essentially free, no risk flier on a draft pick, even in a weak draft?

The draft pick won't prevent the Knicks from getting 'melo and/or keeping Chandler.

It's just not a factor.

[god shammgod]

unless there's a lockout coming and those picks become worthless because nobody declares. it would be hard to convince someone to buy it then.

Do they even hold a draft during a lockout?

But I still wouldn't worry about it.

All first round picks's contracts are only guaranteed 2 years, at which point teams have team options.

The first two years salary of a 15th pick in 2011-12 is just a little over $3m.

For a 20th pick, it's only $2.4.

Team can include $3m in a trade.

What team with a roster spot wouldn't take an essentially free, no risk flier on a draft pick, even in a weak draft?

The draft pick won't prevent the Knicks from getting 'melo and/or keeping Chandler.

It's just not a factor.

you convinced me. i forgot about including the money with the pick. it is a bit of a worse case scenario anyway.
also, i think i have some small fear of teams attempting to take advantage of our need to shed salary like houston did. i hope it goes easier this time.

[FieldsMedal]

also, i think i have some small fear of teams attempting to take advantage of our need to shed salary like houston did. i hope it goes easier this time.

I'm still confused by people's evaluation of that.

Was Houston supposed to take Jefferies (who doesn't play for them at all) to get Hill straight up?

As things stand now, they'll get NOTHING in 2011, and likely a pick perhaps in the low to mid 20's in 2012.

Late round 2012 pick and Jordan Hill for creating $10m in cap space?

People object to this? Really?

[K_ick_God]

unless there's a lockout coming and those picks become worthless because nobody declares. it would be hard to convince someone to buy it then.

Do they even hold a draft during a lockout?

But I still wouldn't worry about it.

All first round picks's contracts are only guaranteed 2 years, at which point teams have team options.

The first two years salary of a 15th pick in 2011-12 is just a little over $3m.

For a 20th pick, it's only $2.4.

Team can include $3m in a trade.

What team with a roster spot wouldn't take an essentially free, no risk flier on a draft pick, even in a weak draft?

The draft pick won't prevent the Knicks from getting 'melo and/or keeping Chandler.

It's just not a factor.

I don't believe they'd have a draft during the lockout.

[god shammgod]

also, i think i have some small fear of teams attempting to take advantage of our need to shed salary like houston did. i hope it goes easier this time.

I'm still confused by people's evaluation of that.

Was Houston supposed to take Jefferies (who doesn't play for them at all) to get Hill straight up?

As things stand now, they'll get NOTHING in 2011, and likely a pick perhaps in the low to mid 20's in 2012.

Late round 2012 pick and Jordan Hill for creating $10m in cap space?

People object to this? Really?

walsh himself has said he wasn't thrilled with giving up the 2012 pick and had second thoughts about it. it has worked out fine for us, although having the 2012 pick would make it a little easier to facilitate a trade.

[god shammgod]

unless there's a lockout coming and those picks become worthless because nobody declares. it would be hard to convince someone to buy it then.

Do they even hold a draft during a lockout?

But I still wouldn't worry about it.

All first round picks's contracts are only guaranteed 2 years, at which point teams have team options.

The first two years salary of a 15th pick in 2011-12 is just a little over $3m.

For a 20th pick, it's only $2.4.

Team can include $3m in a trade.

What team with a roster spot wouldn't take an essentially free, no risk flier on a draft pick, even in a weak draft?

The draft pick won't prevent the Knicks from getting 'melo and/or keeping Chandler.

It's just not a factor.

I don't believe they'd have a draft during the lockout.

the draft would be before the lockout for sure. they'd have to declare even before then.

a couple of articles about this issue -
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5837950/nba_lockout_could_kill_2011_nba_draft.html?cat=14
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/542959-2011-nba-draft-how-will-lockout-concerns-affect-early-entrants
there's also an espn insider article about it which i can't read

[FieldsMedal]

walsh himself has said he wasn't thrilled with giving up the 2012 pick and had second thoughts about it.

What he said is he never likes to give up draft picks or make a financial deal.

My simple criteria is would I do it again and would Houston have done it otherwise?

Takes me less time than it does to type that out to answer yes and no.

Absolutely would have be great to have the pick back, but he couldn't trade the 2011 at the time, so how else could it get done...

[czoneny]

The Nets will not go away, I bet they make a trade without an extension because they are desperate.

You think the Nets are dead and out of it and they just keep popping up. You can't kill them.

[Jay10]

lol@ ^^^^^^

[K_ick_God]

the draft would be before the lockout for sure. they'd have to declare even before then.

a couple of articles about this issue -
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5837950/nba_lockout_could_kill_2011_nba_draft.html?cat=14
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/542959-2011-nba-draft-how-will-lockout-concerns-affect-early-entrants
there's also an espn insider article about it which i can't read

You're right. The draft is late June, before a lockout.

[K_ick_God]

Nets beat reporter says there has been movement on the Nets' side. He could be referring to bowel movement.

[AllanHoustonFan]

lol nets

[hatnlvr]

Nets seem like they are willing to make the trade without the extension. I just hope he doesn't end up with the Nets and decide to sign and get his money.

[K_ick_God]

Nets seem like they are willing to make the trade without the extension. I just hope he doesn't end up with the Nets and decide to sign and get his money.

I think so too -- they're not going to let the Knicks have him this season. Their slim shady owner is going to go all out and give up real value without an extension. He thinks he's so charming and powerful that he can convince Melo once he's there. So I wouldn't be surprised if they give up all those picks just for an un-extended Melo.

But why would he settle for the Nets if he hasn't given in on the Nuggets? He has had more pressure applied by the team and fans in Denver than he could have anywhere else, and the Nuggets are a good team too (in contrast to the Nets), but he's still resisted the extension.

Plus which, on the Nets he'd be that much closer to the Knicks. Just a few months. In one way, the pressure TO sign will be greater with the deadline for any extension closing. But in the other way, he was a full year away from his desired destination during last summer ... and he still said no to the extension ... but now he'll be just a matter of several weeks from his target. So the pressure of the extension could rise but the lure of NYK will too.

I'm not saying that he won't cave and sign with the Nets, just presenting the argument that he'll hold firm.

[Context]

Who's to say that Melo won't sign for less as Lebron. Bosh and Wade did...

[towelie]

Nets seem like they are willing to make the trade without the extension. I just hope he doesn't end up with the Nets and decide to sign and get his money.

I think so too -- they're not going to let the Knicks have him this season. Their slim shady owner is going to go all out and give up real value without an extension. He thinks he's so charming and powerful that he can convince Melo once he's there. So I wouldn't be surprised if they give up all those picks just for an un-extended Melo.

But why would he settle for the Nets if he hasn't given in on the Nuggets? He has had more pressure applied by the team and fans in Denver than he could have anywhere else, and the Nuggets are a good team too (in contrast to the Nets), but he's still resisted the extension.

Plus which, on the Nets he'd be that much closer to the Knicks. Just a few months. In one way, the pressure TO sign will be greater with the deadline for any extension closing. But in the other way, he was a full year away from his desired destination during last summer ... and he still said no to the extension ... but now he'll be just a matter of several weeks from his target. So the pressure of the extension could rise but the lure of NYK will too.

I'm not saying that he won't cave and sign with the Nets, just presenting the argument that he'll hold firm.

If he goes to NJ unextended, there's no way he signs.

Just think of the media, KG, which he'd have access to daily at that point once he's a Net. He'll see firsthand that the Nets are the Clippers of NY, have no future, and Amar'e will be across the river in the playoffs.

If our goal was to sign for Melo and not trade for him, going to the Nets unextended could be a blessing in disguise. I would likely have been more worried that he resigns with Denver after peer pressure from fans, or a good run in the playoffs vs. resigning with the Nets.