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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#841 » by GONYK » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:16 pm

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bigg mike wrote:Let's be real here, is JC not the best shooting guard we've had since Starks?


Really?


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Post#842 » by ctorres » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:17 pm

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ctorres wrote:The absolute best contract that Crawford could get from us in a sign and trade deal involving only Balkman and Walker:

1st year: $3,886,650
2nd year: $4,178,149
3rd year: $4,469,648
4th year: $4,761,147
5th year: $5,052,646
TOTAL: $22,348,240

That is not a good deal for Crawford.


His agent is talking to us, so he seems quite aware that he is taking alot alot less than his market worth and seems okay with it.

He could have signed with the Nets but he's here talking to another unlikely suitor.


ONLY way a player like Crawford would be okay with a deal like that is if you attach a no trade clause to it (which I don't believe is allowed). Otherwise, his ass is going to get traded every season on a friendly contract like that.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#843 » by bigg mike » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:17 pm

Manhattan Project wrote:
bigg mike wrote:Let's be real here, is JC not the best shooting guard we've had since Starks?


Really?


Whoops... I forgot about Houtson and his $120mil.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#844 » by swisscheeseD » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:17 pm

bigg mike wrote:Let's be real here, is JC not the best shooting guard we've had since Starks?

BRING BACK CRAWFORD! GET IT DONE KNICKS!!!

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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#845 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:17 pm

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GONYK wrote:LOL

So where is Grant Hill?

Berman has been wrong waaay more than he's been right


Berman NEVER guaranteed Grant Hill would sign with the Knicks.

berman was the main one reporting it.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_on_verge_of_acquiring_grant_Z4zAsnEzot25UPRWQR85SJ
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#846 » by Pharmcat » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:17 pm

i dont see atl w/out including TD

but NY needs to tread carefully there are lot of factors here

1) davis get amnesty?
2) whats barea doing?
3) shawnes decision

frankly, might as well sit back for a few days and let the scenarios play out
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#847 » by Appleshampoo » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:17 pm

Okay so it would be 5 year 22 million dollar deal. I just think the Hawks taking only Walker and Balkman makes this deal far to one sided. Add in Douglas and add his contract to Crawford's deal.
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Post#848 » by KnicksFan007 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:17 pm

Long as Balkman/Walker eventually match up financially to happen then a deal will probably get done. Maybe 1 more guy gets thrown in but unlikely, IMO.
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Post#849 » by Rasho Brezec » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:18 pm

I veto Fields for Crawford speculations for basketball reasons.
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Post#850 » by 2010 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:18 pm

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GONYK wrote:Berman is saying that with absolutely nothing backing it up


Say what you want, but Berman's been on the money all offseason. I trust him the most out of our four Knicks beat writers. Isola is a scorn HACK. Hahn has no sources, he just retweets and confirms everyone else's news. Beck is all corporate factual information after everything is a done deal (typical NY Times style). Berman is all we got besides the national guys.


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You must not be paying attention this offseason. Okay, let me ask you this. Out of our four beat writers who's the one consistently breaking every piece of major news. If you don't know go back and google all the articles in chronological order. Berman, Isola, Hahn or Beck. I challenge you.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#851 » by Pharmcat » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:18 pm

was berman really wrong on hill

once ny went with tyson nothing left to offer hill via mle
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Post#852 » by BigUgly » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:18 pm

Jamal is the driving force behind this . He is clearly dying to come back here and actually be part of something he thinks could be special. With no big offers coming in it makes sense that he would not mind a paycut to play on a good team in New York. Jamal does not seem to be the type of being all money driven. I think he always dreamed of what it would be like if the Knicks were actually good when he was here and now he wants desperatly to be a part of it. I always liked Jamal as a person he seemed like a real nice guy. I think he would fit in well and not jack up shots . I hope it happens.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#853 » by GONYK » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:19 pm

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C'mon man, you're a tenured poster...you're better than this. Once we committed to Chandler at the 11th hour we no longer had the full MLE to offer Grant. Since we took ourselves under the cap by amnestying Billups we renounced the MLE. It made us only eligible to offer him the "room" exception for $2.5 million. Do you think he was going to turn down larger offers AND uproot his family and take his kids out of school. If we don't acquire Tyson we land Hill. Berman was all over both stories.


The local reporter for the Suns shot down the Hill to NY thing long before the Tyson situation manifested itself.

We're not going to agree if the issue is whether or not Berman has credibility. Is he better than Isola? Absolutely, but everyone in NY really doesn't have much going on in terms of sources.
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Post#854 » by ctorres » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:19 pm

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ctorres wrote:
GONYK wrote:LOL

So where is Grant Hill?

Berman has been wrong waaay more than he's been right


Berman NEVER guaranteed Grant Hill would sign with the Knicks.

berman was the main one reporting it.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_on_verge_of_acquiring_grant_Z4zAsnEzot25UPRWQR85SJ


He was CLOSE, key word there buddy.
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Post#855 » by KnicksFan007 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:20 pm

ctorres wrote:
KnicksFan007 wrote:
ctorres wrote:The absolute best contract that Crawford could get from us in a sign and trade deal involving only Balkman and Walker:

1st year: $3,886,650
2nd year: $4,178,149
3rd year: $4,469,648
4th year: $4,761,147
5th year: $5,052,646
TOTAL: $22,348,240

That is not a good deal for Crawford.


His agent is talking to us, so he seems quite aware that he is taking alot alot less than his market worth and seems okay with it.

He could have signed with the Nets but he's here talking to another unlikely suitor.


ONLY way a player like Crawford would be okay with a deal like that is if you attach a no trade clause to it (which I don't believe is allowed). Otherwise, his ass is going to get traded every season on a friendly contract like that.


:lol:

We'd have to trade him though. No indication of that. This seems like another sneaky signing like the Chandler one.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#856 » by 2010 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:20 pm

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ctorres wrote:
GONYK wrote:LOL

So where is Grant Hill?

Berman has been wrong waaay more than he's been right


Berman NEVER guaranteed Grant Hill would sign with the Knicks.

berman was the main one reporting it.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_on_verge_of_acquiring_grant_Z4zAsnEzot25UPRWQR85SJ


Yeah, because he's been the main one reporting EVERYTHING. You can't be mad at him that we took ourselves out of MLE range by acquiring Tyson. But I bet you one thing. No Knicks beat writer even broke that we were in discussions with Hill before Berman.
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Re: Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford? 

Post#857 » by AllanHoustonFan » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:21 pm

2010 wrote:
You must not be paying attention this offseason. Okay, let me ask you this. Out of our four beat writers who's the one consistently breaking every piece of major news. If you don't know go back and google all the articles in chronological order. Berman, Isola, Hahn or Beck. I challenge you.


He can break all the stories he wants but that doesn't change the fact that he is wrong 9/10 times.
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Post#858 » by Knicksrule2k4 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:21 pm

Jamal Crawford just retweeted this:

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Post#859 » by Red Vines » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:21 pm

BigUgly wrote:Jamal is the driving force behind this . He is clearly dying to come back here and actually be part of something he thinks could be special. With no big offers coming in it makes sense that he would not mind a paycut to play on a good team in New York. Jamal does not seem to be the type of being all money driven. I think he always dreamed of what it would be like if the Knicks were actually good when he was here and now he wants desperatly to be a part of it. I always liked Jamal as a person he seemed like a real nice guy. I think he would fit in well and not jack up shots . I hope it happens.


That's really our only play here: we can probably scrap up a couple million if you want to play SG back in NY on a title contender.
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Post#860 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:21 pm

ctorres wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
ctorres wrote:Berman NEVER guaranteed Grant Hill would sign with the Knicks.

berman was the main one reporting it.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_on_verge_of_acquiring_grant_Z4zAsnEzot25UPRWQR85SJ


He was CLOSE, key word there buddy.

This is the first sentence in his article......

"The Knicks are on the verge of landing Grant Hill, according to two NBA sources."

he was way off, but that's water down the drain now.
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