2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath (Part 2)

3toheadmelo · Post #841 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:52 pm

Facts!

Clyde_Style · Post #842 » by **Clyde_Style** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:54 pm

I personally do not support calls to kill or execute political opposition. I am aware the U.S. has the possible penalty of execution for the crime of espionage, but I have concluded I don't even want to support that.

Yes, I believe treason has been committed and that it must be addressed in the court of law.

I want justice, not vengeance. That's the only path forward that will produce a positive outcome.

You do the crime, do the time. That's what I support

Butch718 · Post #843 » by **Butch718** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:59 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Butch718 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
It should actually play to Biden's advantage as there will be a handful of GOP Senators who are going to want to be on record for the kinds of bi-partisan legislation they can point to as helping regular folks for once. The GOP is going to have its own ongoing civil war for a while and Biden doesn't have to cater to any of them. They'll be coming to Schumer to offer their support on those packages they want to hitch a ride on to show they are the true remaining reasonable factions in the GOP. Biden no longer has to curry any favor with the GOP after the GA seats were captured anyway, but after yesterday's meltdown the GOP crapped the bed so hard Biden won't have to show them any consideration at all, nor should he.

I'm too cynical at this point to believe that the GOP will play ball on anything. McConnell will do his usual obstructing because he's the equivalent of the scum you find in a prison shower drain.

And how will he manage to do that?

He is the minority leader in a few days

Filbuster.

Clyde_Style · Post #844 » by **Clyde_Style** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:00 pm

Schindler is a retired intelliengence operative and a historian. He is not a progressive. But his takes on the intelligence community and his understanding of what makes a society politically viable are solid.

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UcanUwill · Post #845 » by **UcanUwill** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:10 pm

America ''were watching'' fake Iran elections, now all the world is looking back in disgust. I dont even get it, idea behind politicians is to give them power so they serve people, Trump is only serving himself, what is he even givng back to these people beside quite clear white supremacist revere? How he gained this support, what were his main accomplishments?

Clyde_Style · Post #846 » by **Clyde_Style** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:11 pm

Butch718 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Butch718 wrote:
I'm too cynical at this point to believe that the GOP will play ball on anything. McConnell will do his usual obstructing because he's the equivalent of the scum you find in a prison shower drain.

And how will he manage to do that?

He is the minority leader in a few days

Filbuster.

Schumer will require 60 votes to achieve cloture and proceed to a vote. The GOP will not be able to filibuster their way through everything.

They can't filibuster executive appointements and judgeships

for the rest, there will be some other options

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/what-is-the-senate-filibuster-and-what-would-it-take-to-eliminate-it/

How would eliminating the filibuster actually work?

The most straightforward way to eliminate the filibuster would be to formally change the text of Senate Rule 22, the cloture rule that requires 60 votes to end debate on legislation. Here’s the catch: Ending debate on a resolution to change the Senate’s standing rules requires the support of two-thirds of the members present and voting. Absent a large, bipartisan Senate majority that favors curtailing the right to debate, a formal change in Rule 22 is extremely unlikely.

A more complicated, but more likely, way to ban the filibuster would be to create a new Senate precedent. The chamber’s precedents exist alongside its formal rules to provide additional insight into how and when its rules have been applied in particular ways. Importantly, this approach to curtailing the filibuster—colloquially known as the “nuclear option” and more formally as “reform by ruling”—can, in certain circumstances, be employed with support from only a simple majority of senators.

The nuclear option leverages the fact that a new precedent can be created by a senator raising a point of order, or claiming that a Senate rule is being violated. If the presiding officer (typically a member of the Senate) agrees, that ruling establishes a new precedent. If the presiding officer disagrees, another senator can appeal the ruling of the chair. If a majority of the Senate votes to reverse the decision of the chair, then the opposite of the chair’s ruling becomes the new precedent.

In both 2013 and 2017, the Senate used this approach to reduce the number of votes needed to end debate on nominations. The majority leader used two non-debatable motions to bring up the relevant nominations, and then raised a point of order that the vote on cloture is by majority vote. The presiding officer ruled against the point of order, but his ruling was overturned on appeal—which, again, required only a majority in support. In sum, by following the right steps in a particular parliamentary circumstance, a simple majority of senators can establish a new interpretation of a Senate rule.

The Dems likely need to increase their hold on power to get to the supermajority needed to abolish it though. The mid-terms will be a big opportunity to continue building the blue wave

E-Balla · Post #847 » by **E-Balla** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:13 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Schindler is a retired intelliengence operative and a historian. He is not a progressive. But his takes on the intelligence community and his understanding of what makes a society politically viable are solid.

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"today truly was a turning point for the GOP and the country."

How many times do people have to repeat this sentence before they realize the turning point was a long ass time ago and we failed to address it already. I'd put the turning point in 1868 personally, but I can hear an argument that the turning point was in 1877.

E-Balla · Post #848 » by **E-Balla** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:14 pm

UcanUwill wrote:America ''were watching'' fake Iran elections, now all the world is looking back in disgust. I dont even get it, idea behind politicians is to give them power so they serve people, Trump is only serving himself, what is he even givng back to these people beside quite clear white supremacist revere? How he gained this support, what were his main accomplishments?

That's a pretty big motivator for a lot of people for you to exclude it.

UcanUwill · Post #849 » by **UcanUwill** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:22 pm

E-Balla wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:America ''were watching'' fake Iran elections, now all the world is looking back in disgust. I dont even get it, idea behind politicians is to give them power so they serve people, Trump is only serving himself, what is he even givng back to these people beside quite clear white supremacist revere? How he gained this support, what were his main accomplishments?

That's a pretty big motivator for a lot of people for you to exclude it.

2 party system is too stupid IMO. People were brainwashed by 5 years of Fox news, news that decided Trump will be their messiah before he even stepped in office, just like CNN decided Biden will be their guy for next 4 years. It somehow worked in the past, because all in all there were little scum achieving high posts, when Mitt Romney lost, he gave a nice speech and wished Obama luck, remember these type of candidates, you know... presidential ones, when people actually wanted decent people in the house? Now it seems half of America wants racist scum in the house, and the other half just want anyone else, there are no standards anymore, too many bad people got empowered with this regime, no one is pretending they want decent guy in the house anymore, 2 party system has broken down.

2010 · Post #850 » by **2010** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:23 pm

Read on Twitter

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If this cop was white, and the rioters pursuing him were black, I'd bet anything he'd have opened fire.

ellobo · Post #851 » by **ellobo** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:24 pm

Butch718 wrote:Yesterday, like almost everyone else, I was angry and disgusted.

Today, I feel a bit heartbroken to see what this country has currently morphed into. There is no cure for what the GOP has become. These people will not go away either. And it scares me that guys like Hawley and Cruz will suffer not consequences for what happened yesterday. This will just further embolden them. They're just complete and pure scum without a shred of dignity or moral compass, putting their political ambitions over the good of the country. Biden needs to realize that his whole unity thing is not going to fly in DC. He needs to govern with a mindset that the ghosts of bipartisans past, will not be playing ball. The GOP does not deserve one ounce of respect.

I don't think it's morphed into anything. Woodwork squeaks and out come the freaks -- welcome to America.

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E-Balla · Post #852 » by **E-Balla** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:26 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:America ''were watching'' fake Iran elections, now all the world is looking back in disgust. I dont even get it, idea behind politicians is to give them power so they serve people, Trump is only serving himself, what is he even givng back to these people beside quite clear white supremacist revere? How he gained this support, what were his main accomplishments?

That's a pretty big motivator for a lot of people for you to exclude it.

2 party system is too stupid IMO. People were brainwashed by 5 years of Fox news, news that decided Trump will be their messiah before he even stepped in office, just like CNN decided Biden will be their guy for next 4 years. It somehow worked in the past, because all in all there were little scum achieving high posts, when Mitt Romney lost, he gave a nice speech and wished Obama luck, remember these type of candidates, you know... presidential ones, when people actually wanted decent people in the house? Now it seems half of America wants racist scum in the house, and the other half just want anyone else, there are no standards anymore, too many bad people got empowered with this regime, no one is pretending they want decent guy in the house anymore, 2 party system has broken down.

... Yeah this is just not historically accurate. The media didn't create a divide. Fox News hated Trump when his run first started. The people got him to the top of the ticket and Fox started supporting him to make that money and get views. Anyone pushing the divide amongst Americans as fault of the media just doesn't know America well at all.

Facts are America has never had standards and this is just another failure in a long line of failures dating back to reconstruction.

E-Balla · Post #853 » by **E-Balla** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:27 pm

2010 wrote:

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If this cop was white, and the rioters pursuing him were black, I'd bet anything he'd have opened fire.

If the cop was black and the rioters were black I'd bet anything he'd have opened fire. Let's not act like these Tom cops aren't bad too.

2010 · Post #854 » by **2010** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:29 pm

E-Balla wrote:
2010 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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If this cop was white, and the rioters pursuing him were black, I'd bet anything he'd have opened fire.

If the cop was black and the rioters were black I'd bet anything he'd have opened fire. Let's not act like these Tom cops aren't bad too.

Facts bro! :cry:

UcanUwill · Post #855 » by **UcanUwill** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:33 pm

E-Balla wrote:... Yeah this is just not historically accurate. The media didn't create a divide. Fox News hated Trump when his run first started. The people got him to the top of the ticket and Fox started supporting him to make that money and get views. Anyone pushing the divide amongst Americans as fault of the media just doesn't know America well at all.

Facts are America has never had standards and this is just another failure in a long line of failures dating back to reconstruction.

I just try to find reasons why so many people so in love with Trump as president. If its not biased media, what is it, not like Trump ended starvation or hundred year war? But maybe I am hypocritical, cause I understand Trump hate, so maybe I should accept that Trump love comes from the same vein, I just find hard to accept that because in my opinion what I hate about trump is rather evil and not just political, so I have hard time accepting people can worship that...

E-Balla · Post #856 » by **E-Balla** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:40 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
E-Balla wrote:... Yeah this is just not historically accurate. The media didn't create a divide. Fox News hated Trump when his run first started. The people got him to the top of the ticket and Fox started supporting him to make that money and get views. Anyone pushing the divide amongst Americans as fault of the media just doesn't know America well at all.

Facts are America has never had standards and this is just another failure in a long line of failures dating back to reconstruction.

I just try to find reasons why so many people so in love with Trump as president. If its not biased media, what is it, not like Trump ended starvation or hundred year war? But maybe I am hypocritical, cause I understand Trump hate, so maybe I should accept that Trump love comes from the same vein, I just find hard to accept that because in my opinion what I hate about trump is rather evil and not just political, so I have hard to accepting people can worship that...

It's that for a lot of people Trump represents maintaining the current US caste system and to them that's more important than anything else. Anything that makes things more equal for minorities is hated, anyone openly calling immigrants/black people moving into white areas invaders will be loved.

Basically everything you hate about Trump (other than his stupidity) is what makes them love him.

Post #857 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:56 pm

E-Balla wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
E-Balla wrote:... Yeah this is just not historically accurate. The media didn't create a divide. Fox News hated Trump when his run first started. The people got him to the top of the ticket and Fox started supporting him to make that money and get views. Anyone pushing the divide amongst Americans as fault of the media just doesn't know America well at all.

Facts are America has never had standards and this is just another failure in a long line of failures dating back to reconstruction.

I just try to find reasons why so many people so in love with Trump as president. If its not biased media, what is it, not like Trump ended starvation or hundred year war? But maybe I am hypocritical, cause I understand Trump hate, so maybe I should accept that Trump love comes from the same vein, I just find hard to accept that because in my opinion what I hate about trump is rather evil and not just political, so I have hard to accepting people can worship that...

It's that for a lot of people Trump represents maintaining the current US caste system and to them that's more important than anything else. Anything that makes things more equal for minorities is hated, anyone openly calling immigrants/black people moving into white areas invaders will be loved.

Basically everything you hate about Trump (other than his stupidity) is what makes them love him.

these things have always been the foundation of his platform.

Fat Kat · Post #858 » by **Fat Kat** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:20 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #859 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:32 pm

Fat Kat wrote:

Read on Twitter

i mean, so many pictures and so few masks... it's not like anyone was hiding. but, word.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #860 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 6:49 pm

2010 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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If this cop was white, and the rioters pursuing him were black, I'd bet anything he'd have opened fire.