Donovan Mitchell Discussion 4

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Randle, Quickley and 3 picks for Mitchell

Sign Carmelo and another veteran guard like Rubio

Trade Fournier and one youngster in the trade deadline for a swingman that can help us in the playoffs

Mitch / Hart / Sims
Toppin / Melo / Cam
Barrett / Fournier / Hunt
Mitchell / Grimes / Kels
Brunson / Rose / McBride

Utah is tanking they have no interest in Randle. Knicks will end up giving 6 or more picks when it’s completed.

[Chanel Bomber]

Everything would be easier if we had drafted or traded for Haliburton.

He would fit perfectly alongside Mitchell or Brunson.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Everything would be easier if we had drafted or traded for Haliburton.

He would fit perfectly alongside Mitchell or Brunson.

We're about to make the same exact mistake the Jazz made with Donovan to begin with, in not putting him at the 1 with a big guard next to him that can double as a point guard.

I know you don't like him, but if they were going to go after Mitchell, they probably should have gone after DeJounte instead, even with the shooting issues he makes more sense next to Mitchell than Brunson.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Danny Green was the starting 2 guard, they weren't playing FVV & Lowry together against the Sixers because their backcourt was too big and Jimmy would have eaten one of them alive (FVV averaged 16.8mpg).

They had Marc Gasol, former DPOY, and Serge Ibaka the leader in playoffs blocks the last decade, no elite rim protection. Lowry and FVV are literally known for defense......

And most importantly, they had this

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the raptors didn't know exactly what they had with fvv at the time and he really came into his own in the finals. how much they play together in the finals going up against steph and klay, the best shooting backcourt of all time? 6'7 klay couldn't toast these guys?

sure 34-35 year old marc gasol? i guess we can sign him to anchor our defense too for elite rim protection former DPOY.

yeah, they had kawhi, but if i go back to that ja vs rj thread, i saw a lot of RJ will be kawhi in there, so it sounds like we'd have that part covered

He came into his own in the finals because the Warriors were dropping like flies and Nurse realized he could play a box and 1 on Curry. Klay was averaging 26ppg against them before he got hurt, you left out that important part where KD got hurt, too. They wouldn't play 2 guards if KD were healthy. Neither Brunson or Mitchell are even close to Lowry/FVV defensively, is one of them going to come off the bench while we start a 6'6" guard?

Opponents had a 105 ORTG when Gasol was on the floor, when he was off the floor they had Serge Ibaka who leads the playoffs in blocks since 2010. Gasol was also a stretch big, so he was literally 3 & D at the 5, shot 38% from three with elite defense What next, Randle is as good a defender as Siakam?

Oh nice, a strawman, nobody has ever said he will be Kawhi on defense, but keep having those arguments based around the boogeyman. RJ has the potential to be a good two way player, Kawhi is arguably the best perimeter defender ever.

he came into his own in the finals because he finally got a lot of minutes in the playoffs. i see that argument made for the kids all the time, so i will make it here too. FVV played 33 minutes in game 1 and 38 minutes in game 2, this is before klay thompson went out. KD was also hurt before the entire series started but, he came back then got hurt pretty quickly right after. either way, it doesn't really matter as KD isn't on the warriors anymore so we don't have to worry about whether we can play 2 midgets against KD on the warriors anymore. Sure, brunson has came off the bench before. I'm sure as long as he still gets his 35 minutes in 1 way or another like FVV did, no sweat.

are those numbers as good as gobert? by the numbers, isaiah hartenstein is one of the best rim protectors in the league, and with mitch that's a pretty deadly 1-2 combo at rim protection.

strawman? i never said you made that argument, other people on this board have. actually, when i see jimmy butler or kawhi leonard comparisons, i assume top-tier defense is a part of it, don't you? if defense wasn't a part of it, why aren't the player comparisons to an offense only player or a good offensive player with some good defense like middleton which i think i saw one of, but there was a lot more jimmy and kawhi

[Chanel Bomber]

you would give them two picks for herro? you're wilding bro!!!!

Spoiler:

don't be afraid to quote me. I'm just wondering if there's another opportunity out there doooggggg.

it isn't the worst idea tbh. I really like Herro

I forgot who I was listening to, but they said Herro is just Jamal Crawford, a guy who can win you a game here and there, will have a big scoring night but his offense will never be able to make up for his defense.

I think Herro can be better than that.

He hasn't been a good defender but I'm not sure the playoffs were an accurate reflection of his level since he was clearly playing hurt.

Not making the case the Knicks should go after him btw.

[Knox]

Donovan Mitchell needs to speak up and say he wants out.
He wants to be a Knick in order to scare off other teams

[Reign23]

you would give them two picks for herro? you're wilding bro!!!!

Spoiler:

don't be afraid to quote me. I'm just wondering if there's another opportunity out there doooggggg.

it isn't the worst idea tbh. I really like Herro

I forgot who I was listening to, but they said Herro is just Jamal Crawford, a guy who can win you a game here and there, will have a big scoring night but his offense will never be able to make up for his defense.

I don't know. He is talented af, but his stock seems low right now because he played hurt in the playoffs and is looking for a huge extension. would love to get him

[K_ick_God]

it isn't the worst idea tbh. I really like Herro

I forgot who I was listening to, but they said Herro is just Jamal Crawford, a guy who can win you a game here and there, will have a big scoring night but his offense will never be able to make up for his defense.

I don't know. He is talented af, but his stock seems low right now because he played hurt in the playoffs and is looking for a huge extension. would love to get him

He's already signed.

[Chanel Bomber]

Everything would be easier if we had drafted or traded for Haliburton.

He would fit perfectly alongside Mitchell or Brunson.

We're about to make the same exact mistake the Jazz made with Donovan to begin with, in not putting him at the 1 with a big guard next to him that can double as a point guard.

I know you don't like him, but if they were going to go after Mitchell, they probably should have gone after DeJounte instead, even with the shooting issues he makes more sense next to Mitchell than Brunson.

Murray can't play off the ball.

I don't think Dejounte makes sense next to anybody as a starting guard, really. Maybe in the Rondo role with elite shooters all around him, or I guess in the Smart role. Outside of that scenario, I'm not convinced he can be a starter on a contender.

I'd much rather test out a Brunson/Mitchell backcourt and pivot if the experiment fails defensively.

[snadler]

Donovan Mitchell needs to speak up and say he wants out.
He wants to be a Knick in order to scare off other teams

See my post from yesterday with trade comps even for players who not only asked out but demanded which team..basically it didn’t matter they all got a major haul

[Knox]

Donovan Mitchell needs to speak up and say he wants out.
He wants to be a Knick in order to scare off other teams

See my post from yesterday with trade comps even for players who not only asked out but demanded which team..basically it didn’t matter they all got a major haul

My fault I missed it, I am upset down on my hours and feel like a zombie. Thanks for the great info

[snadler]

I know it’s been discussed on here, but Murray was never coming here in large part which was even mentioned at his press conference is agency which isn’t CAA as finding him a place he wanted. CAA and other agencies control player movement in this league and have for awhile, we just aren’t privy to it, but you can always connect the dots

[nykballa2k4]

Donovan Mitchell needs to speak up and say he wants out.
He wants to be a Knick in order to scare off other teams

See my post from yesterday with trade comps even for players who not only asked out but demanded which team..basically it didn’t matter they all got a major haul

My fault I missed it, I am upset down on my hours and feel like a zombie. Thanks for the great info

I don't think it matters anyhow because Ainge is going to hold until he gets the farm and Knicks hopefully will not crack as they always do. Ainge has nothing to lose.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

the raptors didn't know exactly what they had with fvv at the time and he really came into his own in the finals. how much they play together in the finals going up against steph and klay, the best shooting backcourt of all time? 6'7 klay couldn't toast these guys?

sure 34-35 year old marc gasol? i guess we can sign him to anchor our defense too for elite rim protection former DPOY.

yeah, they had kawhi, but if i go back to that ja vs rj thread, i saw a lot of RJ will be kawhi in there, so it sounds like we'd have that part covered

He came into his own in the finals because the Warriors were dropping like flies and Nurse realized he could play a box and 1 on Curry. Klay was averaging 26ppg against them before he got hurt, you left out that important part where KD got hurt, too. They wouldn't play 2 guards if KD were healthy. Neither Brunson or Mitchell are even close to Lowry/FVV defensively, is one of them going to come off the bench while we start a 6'6" guard?

Opponents had a 105 ORTG when Gasol was on the floor, when he was off the floor they had Serge Ibaka who leads the playoffs in blocks since 2010. Gasol was also a stretch big, so he was literally 3 & D at the 5, shot 38% from three with elite defense What next, Randle is as good a defender as Siakam?

Oh nice, a strawman, nobody has ever said he will be Kawhi on defense, but keep having those arguments based around the boogeyman. RJ has the potential to be a good two way player, Kawhi is arguably the best perimeter defender ever.

he came into his own in the finals because he finally got a lot of minutes in the playoffs. i see that argument made for the kids all the time, so i will make it here too. FVV played 33 minutes in game 1 and 38 minutes in game 2, this is before klay thompson went out. KD was also hurt before the entire series started but, he came back then got hurt pretty quickly right after. either way, it doesn't really matter as KD isn't on the warriors anymore so we don't have to worry about whether we can play 2 midgets against KD on the warriors anymore. Sure, brunson has came off the bench before. I'm sure as long as he still gets his 35 minutes in 1 way or another like FVV did, no sweat.

are those numbers as good as gobert? by the numbers, isaiah hartenstein is one of the best rim protectors in the league, and with mitch that's a pretty deadly 1-2 combo at rim protection.

strawman? i never said you made that argument, other people on this board have. actually, when i see jimmy butler or kawhi leonard comparisons, i assume top-tier defense is a part of it, don't you? if defense wasn't a part of it, why aren't the player comparisons to an offense only player or a good offensive player with some good defense like middleton which i think i saw one of, but there was a lot more jimmy and kawhi

KD was hurt and didn't play until game 5, the Raptors didn't want to play FVV/Lowry against Butler, do you really think they would have been playing that backcourt against KD who spent an entire series targeting Patrick Beverly with KD. Part of why Brunson left Dallas so that he could be featured more in an offense, he's not going to be okay coming off the bench, come on now.


I will say it again, I really like Hartenstein, but he's going to need to overcome his foul issues, and asking these two young guys to cover up for such a small backcourt is putting a lot on them, especially when the other frontcourt player has effort that comes and goes based on how much he gets the ball.


Top tier is what? For a wing RJ's size he just needs to improve as a team defender, which should come with time and experience. Offensively he's nothing like Middleton, he's a slasher, who is the best wing two way wing slasher? Jimmy. Who is probably the 2nd best? Jaylen. I have never said anything about Kawhi for RJ, that is a once in a generation two way player, guys like Jimmy and Brown come a long often and as good as they are, they're still just complimentary players in the end. I say Jimmy and Brown are his best case scenario's, I have never said RJ is going to be on the same tier as Giannis, Kawhi, Luka etc, because that's ridiculous, all my comps for him are guys who had either slow starts, or took awhile to get going.

[Bob Ross]

Donovan Mitchell needs to speak up and say he wants out.
He wants to be a Knick in order to scare off other teams

See my post from yesterday with trade comps even for players who not only asked out but demanded which team..basically it didn’t matter they all got a major haul

He may have asked put privately. All of our conversations are shots in the dark. If he asked out and it didn't leak, maybe that's because the Jazz said they'd accommodate him and send him where he wants if they keep it quiet. Trade demands shift leverage

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Donovan Mitchell needs to speak up and say he wants out.
He wants to be a Knick in order to scare off other teams

See my post from yesterday with trade comps even for players who not only asked out but demanded which team..basically it didn’t matter they all got a major haul

My fault I missed it, I am upset down on my hours and feel like a zombie. Thanks for the great info

And you’re dealing with Danny Ainge, prepare to be raped in whatever deal is finalized.

[Knox]

See my post from yesterday with trade comps even for players who not only asked out but demanded which team..basically it didn’t matter they all got a major haul

My fault I missed it, I am upset down on my hours and feel like a zombie. Thanks for the great info

And you’re dealing with Danny Ainge, prepare to be raped in whatever deal is finalized.

It’s like dealing with a car salesman. You have to know when to walk away lol

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Everything would be easier if we had drafted or traded for Haliburton.

He would fit perfectly alongside Mitchell or Brunson.

We're about to make the same exact mistake the Jazz made with Donovan to begin with, in not putting him at the 1 with a big guard next to him that can double as a point guard.

I know you don't like him, but if they were going to go after Mitchell, they probably should have gone after DeJounte instead, even with the shooting issues he makes more sense next to Mitchell than Brunson.

Murray can't play off the ball.

I don't think Dejounte makes sense next to anybody as a starting guard, really. Maybe in the Rondo role with elite shooters all around him, or I guess in the Smart role. Outside of that scenario, I'm not convinced he can be a starter on a contender.

I'd much rather test out a Brunson/Mitchell backcourt and pivot if the experiment fails defensively.

Mitchell can play off the ball, he's been developed as a SG after all, that type of backcourt can work because you put Murray on whoever is the more dominant scorer in the backcourt and let Mitchell get the weaker of the two, or hide him on a 3 & D small forward. What you have with Brunson and Mitchell is nowhere to hide one of them, one of them is always going to be in an unfavorable matchup, and we can't realistically ask RJ to guard PGs for 82 games.

You're only thinking about the offense, and not the defense.

[KnicksGadfly]

Donovan Mitchell needs to speak up and say he wants out.
He wants to be a Knick in order to scare off other teams

See my post from yesterday with trade comps even for players who not only asked out but demanded which team..basically it didn’t matter they all got a major haul

They’re getting a major haul for Mitchell. I think the Knicks FO is on board with that. The issue is that Ainge wants a legendary haul.

[G_K_F]

How did this thread gain 20 pages from yesterday with zero new info?