Hamsterdam (Ex-players, s***posts, beef, etc.) Continued

[god shammgod]

it is weird to start a conversation in one thread and then move it to another thread though. like me personally i'm not gonna bother. once i'm told "not here" it's just gonna be over. i'm arguing with you here but let's interrupt this fight and gather our things and move it somewhere else. it's just not worth it at that point. i don't think many other people are going to do that either. once you stop it it's deescalated.

[3toheadmelo]

derailment in a post-game thread?

That should be a place to talk sht. Either cause we won or cause we're pissed off. Or someone has been harping on a shtty take and is wrong and needs to hear about. Ffs this is a sports forum. A knicks message board.

What are we even doing here

I think its a pretty simple concept to grasp. Derailment would be bringing up say a player that doesn't play for the Knicks anymore or that said player is not on the team we are playing.

the poster to poster beefs would go beyond actually discussing the actual game at hand and sometimes could go for 3-4 pages in a post game thread without actual basketball talk. We had enough people complain that they wanted to actual discuss the game but thought the the post game thread was being take over by trivial back and forths.

That is what this thread was created for. Have you individual beefs and leave the post game thread to go back and for about the game not about the poster.

How easy is it to ignore that sht and talk about what you want though. Thats what I dont get. Like I ignore when Chanel and whoever are posting essays or anything clyde writes. I might pop off on em every once and awhile but I never wanted to silence them cause they deserve a voice here too. Its really easy to coexist and not cry over what someone else post. After a couple back and forths between meLo and Nodope I skim it. But not once have I felt the need to silence them. Or anyone for that matter. Not to brag im just cool like that.

And bringing up randle all year shouldnt have been a problem. He was an integral part of our team and moved for a major piece so comparing them all year should have been fine. Especially when 1 fan still really fcked with him.

Honestly sht is weak as hell that were rolling out all these controlling rules. Cant talk a lil sht in a post game thread about a current player when you fck with an older player more cause some fans are too soft about it. They cant scroll past it. Weird behavior. And tbh idgaf ill do it anyways. Just like you lose your sht on thibs in gamethreads. Its what we do here.

Its just some people couldnt handle meLo havign a weird obsession with a dude we all couldnt stand and they whined all year about it and now were here. They did the same sht with Chanel and his essays. If someone has a different opinion a few load people complain. And now im complaining about people complaining and im too cool for that sht.

I think you said it perfectly. The issue is that if you had an opinion here that was unpopular and you stood on it, you would get personally attacked over it and ganged up by a bunch of others. So it made you look like you were the bad guy on it since you're the only one with that one unpopular opinion while the other people got a pass for it. Like if I was an RJ stan and a Thibs hater like them, I could get away with a lot of sht. So it is what it is. Another issue is that those people really lack self awareness. Im not saying Im a saint or anything, but those people were just as bad (worse tbh) and they wouldn't admit it or even acknowledge it.

I remember when RJ got initially traded we were told to stop mentioning him in game threads because we were talking about how OG was such a major upgrade over him. But yet when Randle got traded, people kept talking about how KAT was so much better than Randle in every game thread all year with no restraints. Like that wasn't fair at all. And then if some of us critcize KAT, you get ganged up on it and they paint you as the villain.

That's just my 2 cents on everything. Anyways it is what it is with the new rules. It is a bit restricting, but honestly I got tired of getting ganged up for having a diff opinion so if these new rules stop that from happening then it's all good. And of course, it forces me to be a better poster too cause I can admit I went out of hand at times as well.

[Guano]

I think its a pretty simple concept to grasp. Derailment would be bringing up say a player that doesn't play for the Knicks anymore or that said player is not on the team we are playing.

the poster to poster beefs would go beyond actually discussing the actual game at hand and sometimes could go for 3-4 pages in a post game thread without actual basketball talk. We had enough people complain that they wanted to actual discuss the game but thought the the post game thread was being take over by trivial back and forths.

That is what this thread was created for. Have you individual beefs and leave the post game thread to go back and for about the game not about the poster.

How easy is it to ignore that sht and talk about what you want though. Thats what I dont get. Like I ignore when Chanel and whoever are posting essays or anything clyde writes. I might pop off on em every once and awhile but I never wanted to silence them cause they deserve a voice here too. Its really easy to coexist and not cry over what someone else post. After a couple back and forths between meLo and Nodope I skim it. But not once have I felt the need to silence them. Or anyone for that matter. Not to brag im just cool like that.

And bringing up randle all year shouldnt have been a problem. He was an integral part of our team and moved for a major piece so comparing them all year should have been fine. Especially when 1 fan still really fcked with him.

Honestly sht is weak as hell that were rolling out all these controlling rules. Cant talk a lil sht in a post game thread about a current player when you fck with an older player more cause some fans are too soft about it. They cant scroll past it. Weird behavior. And tbh idgaf ill do it anyways. Just like you lose your sht on thibs in gamethreads. Its what we do here.

Its just some people couldnt handle meLo havign a weird obsession with a dude we all couldnt stand and they whined all year about it and now were here. They did the same sht with Chanel and his essays. If someone has a different opinion a few load people complain. And now im complaining about people complaining and im too cool for that sht.

Its actually a lot harder than you think. Like I said...it wasn't one or two posts. It would go on for pages and pages. And obviously you don't feel that way but its very off putting to a lot of people who may have wanted to contribute but felt like and actual post about basketball would be drown out by the constant non productive banter. Like sure everyone gets a laugh out of some of the beefs but it was like groundhogs day around here. You basically new everyone comebacks word for word/bar for bar. I don't think you understand the sheer volume of some of the trolling. You mention like those long essays that is like one post every once in a while. Its a big difference. Like sham has said in the past there is a art to this. Some people have it, some people don't.

This is just the way it is man, I don't know what to tell you, it was went unchecked for so long that it became a problem whether you want to admit it or not. Your constantly pushing back on mods is odd to me. Nothing has changed for you. But you just telling people deal with it seems weird. Like why do people who actually enjoy coming to the board to talk hoops have to dance around the incessant trolling? This place is for everyone not a select few.

Now the select few get to have there back and forth in there own silo without any pushback from mods or running rampant over multiple threads. And it wasn't just Melo even though you keep singling him out.

Listen the goal here is to basically make awareness that it wasn't working. We are trying our best to fix it without completely overhauling what also makes this place good. Friendly jabbing is part of that and the goal here is to hopefully get to a place where we can pull back a little. Do you really think we want extra work, reading and handling a bunch of more reports/complaints? Of course not. The hope is during the slower offseason we get back to an understanding of what is good faith back and forths and what is derailing/trolling and making people not want to participate in the forum.

But it has changed... I go into a coaching search thread and posters have big blue text from mods writing on their post saying its derailment to talk about thibs in a new coaching search thread. Thats wack. Its overreaching and kills the vibe of the thread moreso than a minor detour about comparing the coach that was just fired and a potential new coach.

And lets be real its hivemind sht. Its gonna be cool as hell to take shots at thibs like it was randle most of the season cause the majority dont fck with them. But if a few thibist mention thibs when sht is rough a bunch of posters will whine and complain to you guys. Shts weak.

am i also overreacting cause i dont like change - sure. do i also carry a deep rooted disdain for "authority" - yes. and clearly by so many signing up to be in the neighborhood watch the board wants this. So it is what it is... I just think it is lame and will continue to bitch about it and go about my business.

[Reign23]

How easy is it to ignore that sht and talk about what you want though. Thats what I dont get. Like I ignore when Chanel and whoever are posting essays or anything clyde writes. I might pop off on em every once and awhile but I never wanted to silence them cause they deserve a voice here too. Its really easy to coexist and not cry over what someone else post. After a couple back and forths between meLo and Nodope I skim it. But not once have I felt the need to silence them. Or anyone for that matter. Not to brag im just cool like that.

And bringing up randle all year shouldnt have been a problem. He was an integral part of our team and moved for a major piece so comparing them all year should have been fine. Especially when 1 fan still really fcked with him.

Honestly sht is weak as hell that were rolling out all these controlling rules. Cant talk a lil sht in a post game thread about a current player when you fck with an older player more cause some fans are too soft about it. They cant scroll past it. Weird behavior. And tbh idgaf ill do it anyways. Just like you lose your sht on thibs in gamethreads. Its what we do here.

Its just some people couldnt handle meLo havign a weird obsession with a dude we all couldnt stand and they whined all year about it and now were here. They did the same sht with Chanel and his essays. If someone has a different opinion a few load people complain. And now im complaining about people complaining and im too cool for that sht.

Its actually a lot harder than you think. Like I said...it wasn't one or two posts. It would go on for pages and pages. And obviously you don't feel that way but its very off putting to a lot of people who may have wanted to contribute but felt like and actual post about basketball would be drown out by the constant non productive banter. Like sure everyone gets a laugh out of some of the beefs but it was like groundhogs day around here. You basically new everyone comebacks word for word/bar for bar. I don't think you understand the sheer volume of some of the trolling. You mention like those long essays that is like one post every once in a while. Its a big difference. Like sham has said in the past there is a art to this. Some people have it, some people don't.

This is just the way it is man, I don't know what to tell you, it was went unchecked for so long that it became a problem whether you want to admit it or not. Your constantly pushing back on mods is odd to me. Nothing has changed for you. But you just telling people deal with it seems weird. Like why do people who actually enjoy coming to the board to talk hoops have to dance around the incessant trolling? This place is for everyone not a select few.

Now the select few get to have there back and forth in there own silo without any pushback from mods or running rampant over multiple threads. And it wasn't just Melo even though you keep singling him out.

Listen the goal here is to basically make awareness that it wasn't working. We are trying our best to fix it without completely overhauling what also makes this place good. Friendly jabbing is part of that and the goal here is to hopefully get to a place where we can pull back a little. Do you really think we want extra work, reading and handling a bunch of more reports/complaints? Of course not. The hope is during the slower offseason we get back to an understanding of what is good faith back and forths and what is derailing/trolling and making people not want to participate in the forum.

Well said MPH. I don't think anyone wanted it to come to this, there was ALWAYS some level of trolling/fun jabs/beefs on the board, but it became like the main focus of the board and simply because unfun to read/be around all the time. It also just got tiring when people would just make stuff up about other posters whenever they were 'losing' an argument, or when it was time for them to eat a little crow every so often.

I hope we can find the balance again so that you guys can pull back and not have to worry about it going too far into the trolling side of things again.

fully agree with both MPH and ICH here.

[Guano]

Its actually a lot harder than you think. Like I said...it wasn't one or two posts. It would go on for pages and pages. And obviously you don't feel that way but its very off putting to a lot of people who may have wanted to contribute but felt like and actual post about basketball would be drown out by the constant non productive banter. Like sure everyone gets a laugh out of some of the beefs but it was like groundhogs day around here. You basically new everyone comebacks word for word/bar for bar. I don't think you understand the sheer volume of some of the trolling. You mention like those long essays that is like one post every once in a while. Its a big difference. Like sham has said in the past there is a art to this. Some people have it, some people don't.

This is just the way it is man, I don't know what to tell you, it was went unchecked for so long that it became a problem whether you want to admit it or not. Your constantly pushing back on mods is odd to me. Nothing has changed for you. But you just telling people deal with it seems weird. Like why do people who actually enjoy coming to the board to talk hoops have to dance around the incessant trolling? This place is for everyone not a select few.

Now the select few get to have there back and forth in there own silo without any pushback from mods or running rampant over multiple threads. And it wasn't just Melo even though you keep singling him out.

Listen the goal here is to basically make awareness that it wasn't working. We are trying our best to fix it without completely overhauling what also makes this place good. Friendly jabbing is part of that and the goal here is to hopefully get to a place where we can pull back a little. Do you really think we want extra work, reading and handling a bunch of more reports/complaints? Of course not. The hope is during the slower offseason we get back to an understanding of what is good faith back and forths and what is derailing/trolling and making people not want to participate in the forum.

Well said MPH. I don't think anyone wanted it to come to this, there was ALWAYS some level of trolling/fun jabs/beefs on the board, but it became like the main focus of the board and simply because unfun to read/be around all the time. It also just got tiring when people would just make stuff up about other posters whenever they were 'losing' an argument, or when it was time for them to eat a little crow every so often.

I hope we can find the balance again so that you guys can pull back and not have to worry about it going too far into the trolling side of things again.

fully agree with both MPH and ICH here.

Unserious... labeling differing opinions "trolling/fun jabs/beefs" when you guys do the same sht. You all would be in the around thread gassing up rj every couple games when he would have a nice lil game at home against the kings. But when he would suck or og had a good game and we would talk a lil sht its labeled trolling. Its hypocrisy.

[Guano]

Honestly when this thread gets popping properly it's entertaining and that's what I hoped for. There's nothing wrong with the Team this and that shtick, in fact it's funny and light and fun, it just doesn't belong everywhere.

I think the biggest challenge with derailment issues is the board itself. This forum is like year 2000 technology. I'm on a Discord forum with some buddies and whenever we start multi quote chains about some BS the forum itself is like "hey you're talking about some BS do you want to make your own subthread for this" and sets it up automatically if you do. So a Thibs fight would be a subtopic of a post game thread and team villain stuff would etc and it would be easy to parse out what you want to talk about. Here, when topics derail you just get a wall of text that has nothing to do with the topic and it's tough to find stuff that you want to see. Discord, of course, is newer and it's tough to retrofit older tech to meet these challenges and I'm not sure the funding is still there.

This thread and similar recent efforts are mostly about making the best use of the tools we have as it doesn't allow organic side conversions their space.

Thing is that we usually stick to one thread and talk about everything in that thread regardless of the title of the thread.

Its hard to navigate a thibs fired thread and then have a new coaching search thread and keeping the discussion separate. Its not organic.

What I cant unsterstand is how we cant skip over post and address what we want. How is nodope vs meLo beefs or Chanel writing war&peace on usage rates such a distraction that we need such oversight now.

I cant help but feel like im overreacting now and making a bigger deal of this than it is... but truthfully I like this place. Its fun to talk/read about hoops here. I fck with the diversity and worry that the changes are going to make this place stale and boring. So yeah once again Im being reminded that caring isnt cool.

[Reign23]

Well said MPH. I don't think anyone wanted it to come to this, there was ALWAYS some level of trolling/fun jabs/beefs on the board, but it became like the main focus of the board and simply because unfun to read/be around all the time. It also just got tiring when people would just make stuff up about other posters whenever they were 'losing' an argument, or when it was time for them to eat a little crow every so often.

I hope we can find the balance again so that you guys can pull back and not have to worry about it going too far into the trolling side of things again.

fully agree with both MPH and ICH here.

Unserious... labeling differing opinions "trolling/fun jabs/beefs" when you guys do the same sht. You all would be in the around thread gassing up rj every couple games when he would have a nice lil game at home against the kings. But when he would suck or og had a good game and we would talk a lil sht its labeled trolling. Its hypocrisy.

of course you can talk about players you like in the around the nba thread?! I mean what else is this for? I thought the problem was that all the other threads were just spammed with this trolling ****. but idk, obv everybody can do what (s)he likes... i just think that this thread and mod stuff was long overdue. And don't get me wrong, I don't want to read all this trolling/baiting **** about Randle (or some other player that I don't like either) for a million straight posts either.

[Guano]

fully agree with both MPH and ICH here.

Unserious... labeling differing opinions "trolling/fun jabs/beefs" when you guys do the same sht. You all would be in the around thread gassing up rj every couple games when he would have a nice lil game at home against the kings. But when he would suck or og had a good game and we would talk a lil sht its labeled trolling. Its hypocrisy.

of course you can talk about players you like in the around the nba thread?! I mean what else is this for? I thought the problem was that all the other threads were just spammed with this trolling ****. but idk, obv everybody can do what (s)he likes... i just think that this thread and mod stuff was long overdue. And don't get me wrong, I don't want to read all this trolling/baiting **** about Randle (or some other player that I don't like either) for a million straight posts either.

But its cool to read the trolling baiting sht about thibs, obi, rj, if it doesnt mess with your sensibilities. See this is where you guys lose me. Its cool if I fck with it and not cool if I dont. No consistency with your stance. Its trolling and baiting if it upsets me. Not cool Reign. Not cool.

Some of you guys are the kid who starts fights at recess then runs to the teacher when sht gets heavy.

[Reign23]

Unserious... labeling differing opinions "trolling/fun jabs/beefs" when you guys do the same sht. You all would be in the around thread gassing up rj every couple games when he would have a nice lil game at home against the kings. But when he would suck or og had a good game and we would talk a lil sht its labeled trolling. Its hypocrisy.

of course you can talk about players you like in the around the nba thread?! I mean what else is this for? I thought the problem was that all the other threads were just spammed with this trolling ****. but idk, obv everybody can do what (s)he likes... i just think that this thread and mod stuff was long overdue. And don't get me wrong, I don't want to read all this trolling/baiting **** about Randle (or some other player that I don't like either) for a million straight posts either.

But its cool to read the trolling baiting sht about thibs, obi, rj, if it doesnt mess with your sensibilities. See this is where you guys lose me. Its cool if I fck with it and not cool if I dont. No consistency with your stance. Its trolling and baiting if it upsets me. Not cool Reign. Not cool.

Some of you guys are the kid who starts fights at recess then runs to the teacher when sht gets heavy.

I don't know. If you enjoy the trolling battles, fine I don't (no matter If I am pro or against a player). But its also a little weird to discuss this topic with you anyway, because I am always enjoying our hoops convos.

[rajajackal]

it's crazy that in life some people really is actually just feds

[Guano]

of course you can talk about players you like in the around the nba thread?! I mean what else is this for? I thought the problem was that all the other threads were just spammed with this trolling ****. but idk, obv everybody can do what (s)he likes... i just think that this thread and mod stuff was long overdue. And don't get me wrong, I don't want to read all this trolling/baiting **** about Randle (or some other player that I don't like either) for a million straight posts either.

But its cool to read the trolling baiting sht about thibs, obi, rj, if it doesnt mess with your sensibilities. See this is where you guys lose me. Its cool if I fck with it and not cool if I dont. No consistency with your stance. Its trolling and baiting if it upsets me. Not cool Reign. Not cool.

Some of you guys are the kid who starts fights at recess then runs to the teacher when sht gets heavy.

I don't know. If you enjoy the trolling battles, fine I don't (no matter If I am pro or against a player). But its also a little weird to discuss this topic with you anyway, because I am always enjoying our hoops convos.

I fck with you, too. We're always good.

Words matter and labeling it "trolling" discredits it. Can they be absurd sure. Are they ridiculous at times sure. But at the core arguing about kat/Randle, gallo vs Chandler, Melo vs the trade package, thibs vs the new coach is a huge part of what we do here. Its a knicks message board. And to label that trolling cause its not framed to our liking or even we just dont want to hear about it doesnt make sense.

And just cause I dont fck with a particular ingredient doesnt mean im going to have the chef make me a special order. I eat what im served.

[Capn'O]

Thing is that we usually stick to one thread and talk about everything in that thread regardless of the title of the thread.

Well then you've come to the right place.

As the creator, this thread was never meant to be a punishment and certainly was not created for one, or even a few, posters. I forget who it was but saying this was a rebrand of the dead community thread was completely on point. This is the place to shoot the **** about whatever the **** all day.

This day, the year of our Lord 2025, if in the right mood I would argue about the Melo trade for pages if I had the opportunity. It's for me too.


Like I said previously, some of the organic nature of conversations is hard to capture in a rigid format. I imagine some flexibility will come back to an extent but I'm now a mere passenger on the ship.

[god shammgod]

Thing is that we usually stick to one thread and talk about everything in that thread regardless of the title of the thread.

Well then you've come to the right place.

As the creator, this thread was never meant to be a punishment and certainly was not created for one, or even a few, posters. I forget who it was but saying this was a rebrand of the dead community thread was completely on point. This is the place to shoot the **** about whatever the **** all day.

This day, the year of our Lord 2025, if in the right mood I would argue about the Melo trade for pages if I had the opportunity. It's for me too.


Like I said previously, some of the organic nature of conversations is hard to capture in a rigid format. I imagine some flexibility will come back to an extent but I'm now a mere passenger on the ship.

what we have to do in protest then is refuse to post in any other thread. make this every game thread and post all news on every topic here and only here. vive la revolution

[Im Coming Home]

Well said MPH. I don't think anyone wanted it to come to this, there was ALWAYS some level of trolling/fun jabs/beefs on the board, but it became like the main focus of the board and simply because unfun to read/be around all the time. It also just got tiring when people would just make stuff up about other posters whenever they were 'losing' an argument, or when it was time for them to eat a little crow every so often.

I hope we can find the balance again so that you guys can pull back and not have to worry about it going too far into the trolling side of things again.

fully agree with both MPH and ICH here.

Unserious... labeling differing opinions "trolling/fun jabs/beefs" when you guys do the same sht. You all would be in the around thread gassing up rj every couple games when he would have a nice lil game at home against the kings. But when he would suck or og had a good game and we would talk a lil sht its labeled trolling. Its hypocrisy.

Not true at all.

Being critical of a player is one thing, constantly bringing them up, starting actual personal beef and lying about posters is where it crossed the line, and it wasn't even a big deal when it happened rarely, it's when it happened almost every thread that the board became unreadable. Certain posters wanted to always talk when they were up, but would go completely MIA when it was crow time.

It was always the bad faith arguments and takes that were the most annoying because people couldn't just take the L on the chin, they would go hide, when example Randle would have a horrible game(high turnovers, maybe some bad mistakes in big moments of the game)where it was obvious he was one of the large reasons we lost but then a poster would post about his most basic stats like "Randle with 25 points 5 reb 5 ast killed it tonight!! RJ sucked he had 20 points 3 red 2 ast! " Even if in that game RJ actually had a positive game, and Randle had a poor game. It was just bad faith stuff, especially when it was their time to eat crow and they couldn't just be like "damn Randle had a poor game tonight hopefully he steps it up in the future" that's when it just got tiresome, someone either goes MIA or can't man up and take an L ever then what are we doing here? Especially when they would also just get personal and start making things up about posters because they had nothing else to "win" the back and forth at that point because their bad faith argument was obviously bad faith but couldn't admit to that of course.

Plus you and I have never really had a back and forth so idk what you're in about.

[Im Coming Home]

Thing is that we usually stick to one thread and talk about everything in that thread regardless of the title of the thread.

Well then you've come to the right place.

As the creator, this thread was never meant to be a punishment and certainly was not created for one, or even a few, posters. I forget who it was but saying this was a rebrand of the dead community thread was completely on point. This is the place to shoot the **** about whatever the **** all day.

This day, the year of our Lord 2025, if in the right mood I would argue about the Melo trade for pages if I had the opportunity. It's for me too.


Like I said previously, some of the organic nature of conversations is hard to capture in a rigid format. I imagine some flexibility will come back to an extent but I'm now a mere passenger on the ship.

what we have to do in protest then is refuse to post in any other thread. make this every game thread and post all news on every topic here and only here. vive la revolution

NOOOOO DON'T LET US TALK BASKETBALL IN PEACE NOOOOO PLEASE NOOOOO

[Im Coming Home]

I will say I agree with Guano about i think maybe separating things like the Thibs fired thread and the coach search thread seems a bit silly, it's 2 things very related to each other I think so to be like NO YOU CANT TALK ABOUT THAT IN THIS THREAD seems a bit too extreme.

I think people just wanted the baiting/trolling/etc to be toned down a bit and controlled more that's all

[Guano]

fully agree with both MPH and ICH here.

Unserious... labeling differing opinions "trolling/fun jabs/beefs" when you guys do the same sht. You all would be in the around thread gassing up rj every couple games when he would have a nice lil game at home against the kings. But when he would suck or og had a good game and we would talk a lil sht its labeled trolling. Its hypocrisy.

Not true at all.

Being critical of a player is one thing, constantly bringing them up, starting actual personal beef and lying about posters is where it crossed the line, and it wasn't even a big deal when it happened rarely, it's when it happened almost every thread that the board became unreadable. Certain posters wanted to always talk when they were up, but would go completely MIA when it was crow time.

It was always the bad faith arguments and takes that were the most annoying because people couldn't just take the L on the chin, they would go hide, when example Randle would have a horrible game(high turnovers, maybe some bad mistakes in big moments of the game)where it was obvious he was one of the large reasons we lost but then a poster would post about his most basic stats like "Randle with 25 points 5 reb 5 ast killed it tonight!! RJ sucked he had 20 points 3 red 2 ast! " Even if in that game RJ actually had a positive game, and Randle had a poor game. It was just bad faith stuff, especially when it was their time to eat crow and they couldn't just be like "damn Randle had a poor game tonight hopefully he steps it up in the future" that's when it just got tiresome, someone either goes MIA or can't man up and take an L ever then what are we doing here? Especially when they would also just get personal and start making things up about posters because they had nothing else to "win" the back and forth at that point because their bad faith argument was obviously bad faith but couldn't admit to that of course.

Plus you and I have never really had a back and forth so idk what you're in about.

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[Im Coming Home]

Unserious... labeling differing opinions "trolling/fun jabs/beefs" when you guys do the same sht. You all would be in the around thread gassing up rj every couple games when he would have a nice lil game at home against the kings. But when he would suck or og had a good game and we would talk a lil sht its labeled trolling. Its hypocrisy.

Not true at all.

Being critical of a player is one thing, constantly bringing them up, starting actual personal beef and lying about posters is where it crossed the line, and it wasn't even a big deal when it happened rarely, it's when it happened almost every thread that the board became unreadable. Certain posters wanted to always talk when they were up, but would go completely MIA when it was crow time.

It was always the bad faith arguments and takes that were the most annoying because people couldn't just take the L on the chin, they would go hide, when example Randle would have a horrible game(high turnovers, maybe some bad mistakes in big moments of the game)where it was obvious he was one of the large reasons we lost but then a poster would post about his most basic stats like "Randle with 25 points 5 reb 5 ast killed it tonight!! RJ sucked he had 20 points 3 red 2 ast! " Even if in that game RJ actually had a positive game, and Randle had a poor game. It was just bad faith stuff, especially when it was their time to eat crow and they couldn't just be like "damn Randle had a poor game tonight hopefully he steps it up in the future" that's when it just got tiresome, someone either goes MIA or can't man up and take an L ever then what are we doing here? Especially when they would also just get personal and start making things up about posters because they had nothing else to "win" the back and forth at that point because their bad faith argument was obviously bad faith but couldn't admit to that of course.

Plus you and I have never really had a back and forth so idk what you're in about.

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Simply not true brother. I never made bad faith arguments and would generally always own up when a player I liked played poorly.

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Not true at all.

Being critical of a player is one thing, constantly bringing them up, starting actual personal beef and lying about posters is where it crossed the line, and it wasn't even a big deal when it happened rarely, it's when it happened almost every thread that the board became unreadable. Certain posters wanted to always talk when they were up, but would go completely MIA when it was crow time.

It was always the bad faith arguments and takes that were the most annoying because people couldn't just take the L on the chin, they would go hide, when example Randle would have a horrible game(high turnovers, maybe some bad mistakes in big moments of the game)where it was obvious he was one of the large reasons we lost but then a poster would post about his most basic stats like "Randle with 25 points 5 reb 5 ast killed it tonight!! RJ sucked he had 20 points 3 red 2 ast! " Even if in that game RJ actually had a positive game, and Randle had a poor game. It was just bad faith stuff, especially when it was their time to eat crow and they couldn't just be like "damn Randle had a poor game tonight hopefully he steps it up in the future" that's when it just got tiresome, someone either goes MIA or can't man up and take an L ever then what are we doing here? Especially when they would also just get personal and start making things up about posters because they had nothing else to "win" the back and forth at that point because their bad faith argument was obviously bad faith but couldn't admit to that of course.

Plus you and I have never really had a back and forth so idk what you're in about.

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Simply not true brother. I never made bad faith arguments and would generally always own up when a player I liked played poorly.

What ill never understand is why you guys engage it

Like if I feel someone is engaging in a bad faith arguement why waste time with it - to defend the honor of kat, make sure everyone knows randle isnt a winning player, or cause you need to be right?

Why respond if it doesn't serve you?

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Simply not true brother. I never made bad faith arguments and would generally always own up when a player I liked played poorly.

What ill never understand is why you guys engage it

Like if I feel someone is engaging in a bad faith arguement why waste time with it - to defend the honor of kat, make sure everyone knows randle isnt a winning player, or cause you need to be right?

Why respond if it doesn't serve you?

Maybe its because the other posters would never miss a chance to come around to serve the crow to others when the time came, so when it is finally a chance to go around and serve crow to them you wanna do it. Plus maybe its being naive but thinking 'ok theres no way they can defend Randle this time, he objectively had a HORRIBLE game maybe they'll just admit it and take this L on the chin and we can open a good dialogue here' but obviously it never worked out that way, but I just kept hoping one day it would.