PG: Out of our Misery

[Jeffrey]

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[K_ick_God]

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Def seems like bad technique and coaching

On the first one, 0g is facing it and should know, by now, to help

On the Mikal and Mitch ones, it’s not as obvious maybe but would require smart defenders or instructive coaching

KAT not staying with the guy seems simple enough — he has to know but I think with cross matches KAT just decides to do whatever

Yikes though. We had no chance unless they miss open shots

In a way I don’t think the Knicks would take advantage of the same bad defense on the other end

[K_ick_God]

Thibs is a defensive technique coach I thought

Something doesn’t add up at all

The guy in the video is hyperbole but it also does seem like all the key guys either don’t know what to do or are switched off … to an alarming extent

G1 just highlighted it more

[Jeff Van Gully]

Why would they do this when they can get Giannis themselves

I mean simplest answer is him wanting to be here

I can assure you that the bucks don’t care where Giannis wants to go.

trades and transactions thread, please.

[K_ick_God]

With the 0g play he either stays with the man in the corner or helps. But he’s facing it and makes no movement

Gotta question both OG and Thibs and Mikal is kind of low IQ too lol

I suppose I don’t really fully agree that the team is on a good glide path

[Zenzibar]

We became more "Cavs" (regular season offense centric and kinda soft"ish") and less Knicks. Interesting enough he was good enough to beat the Celts, but not Indiana...or maybe it could have been if the could was.....

But last years squad if healthy destroys that years Indiana. Indiana got better...without adding anyone of note. Perhaps we can as well...get that "familiarity" bump. But we'll need an identity first.

That's the key there, you're saying that Indy has continuity and got better, I agree. Hopefully after licking their wounds these Knicks will be more in sync, add value to this experience, as Indy did after being swept last year by Boston.

25, 25, 25, 29, 31.

27, 28, 28, 29, 30.

The Pacers starters are entering their prime. Ours approaching 30. They've destroyed us 2 playoffs in a row. Try again.

What are you even talking about?

[Enzo954]

So Thibs is a defensive mastermind, but all of our players can't figure out their assignments and suck at defense. Doesn't make any sense.

[Jeff Van Gully]

So Thibs is a defensive mastermind, but all of our players can't figure out their assignments and suck at defense. Doesn't make any sense.

i don't think that conversation is about "all of our players."

[Zenzibar]

A worse band.

This team does not have the fight and spirit of that team. This team does not represent New York.

The Randle,and iHart team had continuity, with even OG having some time together with them.

Towns, Mikal and even Cam Payne were new to the team and had to learn a totally new system. The Pacers have no new players to the core and showed that they were more in sync than us. Case in point is OKC and their top three players, SGA, Willams and Holmgren have grown up in the system.

My feeling is that we have another year to build upon. Last year was the semi-final, this year the conference finals with a different core.
So while some fans want to rip this team up, I rather build upon it.

Thibs doesn’t have a system. There’s nothing to learn.

Look, you can make all the excuses in the world - a team with Karl Anthony Towns as its second best player will never in any lifetime win an NBA title. If this franchise wants to waste the rest of Brunson’s prime trying to building around KAT’s many flaws then there’s no reason to care about them.

Continuity is fine when you’re building a roster of high IQ, hard working players who are mentally strong. KAT is not that. Mikal is not that. Can Payne is not that. The roster construction was a complete 180 from what we had before and it shows. Building upon this roster and wanting continuity for this specific roster is a recipe for failure.

KAT and Brunson is still better than Randle and Brunson. While flawed, KAT at least tries slugging towards the 3 point shooter, I recall where Randle wouldn't even try.

Thibs has improved our positioning every year since Brunson's arriva Furthermore, I believe that within the next couple of years this Brunson-led team willl hit the Finals with a chance to win one.

[Jeffrey]

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Def seems like bad technique and coaching

On the first one, 0g is facing it and should know, by now, to help

On the Mikal and Mitch ones, it’s not as obvious maybe but would require smart defenders or instructive coaching

KAT not staying with the guy seems simple enough — he has to know but I think with cross matches KAT just decides to do whatever

Yikes though. We had no chance unless they miss open shots

In a way I don’t think the Knicks would take advantage of the same bad defense on the other end

We need to also say we got lucky with Boston. Even though Boston took 100 3s.. 46 of them were uncontested.

[Jeffrey]

Thibs is a defensive technique coach I thought

Something doesn’t add up at all

The guy in the video is hyperbole but it also does seem like all the key guys either don’t know what to do or are switched off … to an alarming extent

G1 just highlighted it more

Yes, I had to turn it down cuz I was getting a migraine but that video shows that there's no one communicating. Mitch spoke about that in the interview.

All season Knicks 3 point defense were atrocious and continued to be atrocious.

[Adelheid]

Thibs is a defensive technique coach I thought

Something doesn’t add up at all

The guy in the video is hyperbole but it also does seem like all the key guys either don’t know what to do or are switched off … to an alarming extent

G1 just highlighted it more

KG, wasn't it known for some time now that this thibs regime - hardly or dont do any practice sessions at all? (maybe so that they have more energy for the actual game)

perhaps this explains the reason why everyone looks so disoriented and unprepared

[RHODEY]

25, 25, 25, 29, 31.

27, 28, 28, 29, 30.

The Pacers starters are entering their prime. Ours approaching 30. They've destroyed us 2 playoffs in a row. Try again.

Last playoffs they "destroyed" us?

I mean, they didn't really this playoffs either. We're an off bounce from going to G7 at home right now.

Right

[Ravenxvirall]

kat is a great scorer. brunson is a great scorer. they're both really bad on d. one got to go. which one do you think the knicks are gonna keep ?

Giannis or bust.

Lmao dudes really trying to trade for a always injured antique, maybe we can pull grant hill out of retirement while we are at it hahahaha

[mpharris36]

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this guy is extremely over the top but my goodness it doesn't look good.

If KAT is going rogue thats one thing but there are multiple mistakes by everyone on the roster. That ultimately is not a good look for Thibs.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Giannis or bust.

Lmao dudes really trying to trade for a always injured antique, maybe we can pull grant hill out of retirement while we are at it hahahaha

keep the trade talk in the trades and transactions thread please.

[GettinitDone]

The Randle,and iHart team had continuity, with even OG having some time together with them.

Towns, Mikal and even Cam Payne were new to the team and had to learn a totally new system. The Pacers have no new players to the core and showed that they were more in sync than us. Case in point is OKC and their top three players, SGA, Willams and Holmgren have grown up in the system.

My feeling is that we have another year to build upon. Last year was the semi-final, this year the conference finals with a different core.
So while some fans want to rip this team up, I rather build upon it.

Thibs doesn’t have a system. There’s nothing to learn.

Look, you can make all the excuses in the world - a team with Karl Anthony Towns as its second best player will never in any lifetime win an NBA title. If this franchise wants to waste the rest of Brunson’s prime trying to building around KAT’s many flaws then there’s no reason to care about them.

Continuity is fine when you’re building a roster of high IQ, hard working players who are mentally strong. KAT is not that. Mikal is not that. Can Payne is not that. The roster construction was a complete 180 from what we had before and it shows. Building upon this roster and wanting continuity for this specific roster is a recipe for failure.

KAT and Brunson is still better than Randle and Brunson. While flawed, KAT at least tries slugging towards the 3 point shooter, I recall where Randle wouldn't even try.

Thibs has improved our positioning every year since Brunson's arriva Furthermore, I believe that within the next couple of years this Brunson-led team willl hit the Finals with a chance to win one.

How are we ever going to reach the Finals with allowing wide open kick out 3s, wide open transition dunks (Pacers had 5 baskets within 3-4 secs off our made basket in G6) ??

It's one thing to contest their shots and they still made them, but most of their baskets on critical runs were wide open. Thomas frickin Bryant had 3 wide open 3s, and I bet he won't even get a shot off vs the Thunder. Their team had no pressure whatsoever about having to make shots because if they missed they knew they're gonna plenty more/ abundance of wide open shots the rest of the game/ series.

No deep playoffs runs are ever guaranteed, the 94-95 Magic went to the Finals and they were never able to do it again. Even the Warriors were beaten by the Cavs, and the 80s Celtics by the Lakers or vice versa. If being in the ECF (with a possibly one in a lifetime chance to make the Finals and possibly win a chip) didn't make the team to play its best honest defense to AT LEAST BE COMPETITIVE DEFENSIVELY/ ENSURING NO WIDE OPEN SHOTS AND CONTEST SHOTS then nothing will.

And somehow we're supposed to keep Thibs and all of a sudden these defensive problems will magically disappear next season? The same defensive problems since the Thunder shot us out of their gym in Jan? The same defensive problems that persisted all season and remained all the way up to the most important games that were ECF... somehow next season would be different... WOW

[Gravy]

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This guy calls every coach in the league terrible after a loss its his shtick

[Context]

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Pretty sure I saw you under the basket. A spot of orange in a sea of yellow. Respect.

There was another guy much uglier than me wearing an identical outfit with similar hair one section to my left. I need to go through and zoom in but I’m definitely on sports center. My friends and family texted me during the game to say hi.

we need to see it. What you did was legendary and you will roll with me court side next year I dont care that we lost the game...

[Ravenxvirall]

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this guy is extremely over the top but my goodness it doesn't look good.

If KAT is going rogue thats one thing but there are multiple mistakes by everyone on the roster. That ultimately is not a good look for Thibs.

Yup really feels like thibs lost the team in the second half of the season and too much of his defense is set to defend a team from 2005. If he can’t adapt he needs to be gone. If Kat can’t learn where to put his arms up after 10 years in the league he needs to be gone. We had a really fun run but issues need to be addressed if we want to win a chip.