Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2

[SelbyCobra]

So an under-the-influence-of-Isiah-Thomas Matt Ishbia hiring a Michigan State alum is the new evidentiary standard of quality decision making in the NBA.

[Ravenxvirall]

All jokes aside. Is he really being serious?

How can anyone say there's common knowledge of how a guy will perform as a head coach if the guy has never been a head coach before.

He’s definitely serious and also mildy ret…… not catching the ban again lmao

Tom Thibs is a better basketball coach than the assistant from Cleveland. If you are struggling with this, then you may be the “ret”

Honestly you come across as the slow kid, a step behind every move that gets made. Does this forum have a tagging option? I want to tag this guy as slow fellla.

[GONYK]

All jokes aside. Is he really being serious?

How can anyone say there's common knowledge of how a guy will perform as a head coach if the guy has never been a head coach before.

He’s definitely serious and also mildy ret…… not catching the ban again lmao

Tom Thibs is a better basketball coach than the assistant from Cleveland. If you are struggling with this, then you may be the “ret”

This kind of language in a basketball debate is unnecessary and unacceptable.

If you can't disagree respectfully then this isn't going to be the place for you

[mpharris36]

He’s definitely serious and also mildy ret…… not catching the ban again lmao

Tom Thibs is a better basketball coach than the assistant from Cleveland. If you are struggling with this, then you may be the “ret”

Honestly you come across as the slow kid, a step behind every move that gets made. Does this forum have a tagging option? I want to tag this guy as slow fellla.

Enough of the personal attacks

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Pinson is a former Knick played for Thibs, role player, didn't get pt but he was in the locker room... and Jeff Teague was a starter who played for Thibs in Minny

0:25 - you see the writing on the wall where it's gonna be the same thing over and over and over again...

1:49 - at some point they're gonna hit a wall cuz he doesn't adapt, and he's had so many opportunities to adapt...

2:23 - he would have you prepared but as far as the adjustments he just thinks it's just play harder, sometimes it's not about that because both teams are gonna play hard, Indiana is gonna play hard, what are you gonna do differently?...

3:33 (Charlie V) - I've always said in the postseason it's all about adjustments and he doesn't make adjustments he sticks to that card/ gameplan and that's it and he's not making no adjustments at all and we all knew that... the media and the public forced his hands to kinda change things up, he really didn't wanna change **** up... Thibs is just not I don't think he's a good postseason coach

5:02 - like everybody think Thibs is like this hard coach to play for ahh you gotta do it this way, he really don't say ****, he just be DOWN **** DOWN that's all he say but he won't be like Teague go here do this HE WON'T REALLY BE COACHING YOU, he gotta be just like DAMN DAMN IT MAN DOWN CMON MAN !!

6:48 - I'm telling you he (Teague) hit it right on the **** head bro... listen, I remember on the team I was on bro we used to literally like make jokes in the locker room, we knew certain games what his message was gonna be, this **** is like a recorder, it's like he works on the same **** he's gonna say before the game, all the time, I promise you every Thibs player that played for him we would all have the same damn stories, the SAME SPEECHES, THE SAME THING HE SAYS IN THE DAMN uh TIMEOUTS... you gotta understand there was nothing gonna change, there was nothing that was gonna change, they're not gonna make the Finals next year if he continues to coach, they needed something new

Excellent post bro...
A post like this should be enough to sway the pro Thibs side to the it was time to move on from thibs side. Sadly it wont...

"He is so locked into the game he does not understand wtf is going on." ----kind of mirrors what Bridges said during the season and explains why you never see any type of adjustment. I'm just happy we are trying something new....

me too...when I watch the OKC and Indy Finals- I think to myself- wtf was Thibs thinking?! how did he think it was ok to play 7 guys for so long?
How does a coach who understands everything about basketball get so locked into his ego that he's in the play-offs playing 7 guys...how does he miss that in order to score 120 points a game you have to put more miles on the body and 7 guys can't sustain that for 98 games when other teams are defending every possession and picking you up 64+ feet?!
Absolute craziness..

[dakomish23]

Listening to Marc Malusis on WFAN at the gym this morning, it was all about how the dysfunction is back. How this was forced by Dolan.

Very depressing that I had to change the station.

dont waste your time listening...Thibs became the dysfunction and we moved on from it.

This team had issues stemming from Game 1 onwards and once the scouting report hit, those issues were even more glaring.

I don't know what will happen, but it seems to me that ownership and the front office, along with the players, made a collective decision to change course.

Collective decision. Not everything based on the whims of one person.

30 million dollars is a lot of money. You don't make that decision haphazardly.

People are also forgetting that we were a Cam Payne outburst and a few insane KAT shots from being down 3-1 to DET. That series was hella close and I think that's when they were like ok we need to take a deeper look.

[Capn'O]

So an under-the-influence-of-Isiah-Thomas Matt Ishbia hiring a Michigan State alum is the new evidentiary standard of quality decision making in the NBA.

Name a better trio:

Mat Ishbia
Under the Influence
Isiah Thomas


Btw, with Mat Ishbia, you leave off the extra T for SAVINGS

[Context]

dont waste your time listening...Thibs became the dysfunction and we moved on from it.

This team had issues stemming from Game 1 onwards and once the scouting report hit, those issues were even more glaring.

I don't know what will happen, but it seems to me that ownership and the front office, along with the players, made a collective decision to change course.

Collective decision. Not everything based on the whims of one person.

30 million dollars is a lot of money. You don't make that decision haphazardly.

People are also forgetting that we were a Cam Payne outburst and a few insane KAT shots from being down 3-1 to DET. That series was hella close and I think that's when they were like ok we need to take a deeper look.

man...I wish we knew the details behind the Thibs firing...so curious...

[BKlutch]

This team had issues stemming from Game 1 onwards and once the scouting report hit, those issues were even more glaring.

I don't know what will happen, but it seems to me that ownership and the front office, along with the players, made a collective decision to change course.

Collective decision. Not everything based on the whims of one person.

30 million dollars is a lot of money. You don't make that decision haphazardly.

People are also forgetting that we were a Cam Payne outburst and a few insane KAT shots from being down 3-1 to DET. That series was hella close and I think that's when they were like ok we need to take a deeper look.

man...I wish we knew the details behind the Thibs firing...so curious...

Do you think Thibs even knows the details? The only “statement” from Thibs is some AI video of him cursing.

[Context]

People are also forgetting that we were a Cam Payne outburst and a few insane KAT shots from being down 3-1 to DET. That series was hella close and I think that's when they were like ok we need to take a deeper look.

man...I wish we knew the details behind the Thibs firing...so curious...

Do you think Thibs even knows the details? The only “statement” from Thibs is some AI video of him cursing.

It's such a shame because I believe if Thibs allowed himself to be open minded- he could have won several chips here...The focus he has on not changing
or bending is what killed his growth and prevented him from achieving his #1 goal.

[BKlutch]

man...I wish we knew the details behind the Thibs firing...so curious...

Do you think Thibs even knows the details? The only “statement” from Thibs is some AI video of him cursing.

It's such a shame because I believe if Thibs allowed himself to be open minded- he could have won several chips here...The focus he has on not changing
or bending is what killed his growth and prevented him from achieving his #1 goal.

This seems tone pattern with him. He’s so smart and works so hard, but eventually he can’t last long at any of his gigs. It must be in his personality to do this. Pop and some other great coaches had incredibly long runs.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Do you think Thibs even knows the details? The only “statement” from Thibs is some AI video of him cursing.

It's such a shame because I believe if Thibs allowed himself to be open minded- he could have won several chips here...The focus he has on not changing
or bending is what killed his growth and prevented him from achieving his #1 goal.

This seems tone pattern with him. He’s so smart and works so hard, but eventually he can’t last long at any of his gigs. It must be in his personality to do this. Pop and some other great coaches had incredibly long runs.

a good man lost to thibslamic extremism. hate to see it.

[sol537]

Thibs lasting 5 years in NY is a huge accomplishment. Most coaches in the NBA these days seem to last no more than 1-3 years before they get canned.

[Context]

Do you think Thibs even knows the details? The only “statement” from Thibs is some AI video of him cursing.

It's such a shame because I believe if Thibs allowed himself to be open minded- he could have won several chips here...The focus he has on not changing
or bending is what killed his growth and prevented him from achieving his #1 goal.

This seems tone pattern with him. He’s so smart and works so hard, but eventually he can’t last long at any of his gigs. It must be in his personality to do this. Pop and some other great coaches had incredibly long runs.

Personality makes life more enjoyable for sure but I think - if Thibs at the very least played 11 guys all season and allowed a brillant offensive
assistant coach to help him with offense. That would have been acceptable for the team.

We just saw a video where Charlie Villanova confirmed a lot of times the assistant coach is more of the head coach than the actually head coach.

This is why I say bring me Bryant!

[Context]

Thibs lasting 5 years in NY is a huge accomplishment. Most coaches in the NBA these days seem to last no more than 1-3 years before they get canned.

To reach the TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN...you have to CONTANTLY raise the standard. Sure it was a hugh accomplishment when compared to the masses
of coaches but what was it in comparrison to Pop?
This organization outgrew Thibs. No offense to him...

[Jeff Van Gully]

It's such a shame because I believe if Thibs allowed himself to be open minded- he could have won several chips here...The focus he has on not changing
or bending is what killed his growth and prevented him from achieving his #1 goal.

This seems tone pattern with him. He’s so smart and works so hard, but eventually he can’t last long at any of his gigs. It must be in his personality to do this. Pop and some other great coaches had incredibly long runs.

Personality makes life more enjoyable for sure but I think - if Thibs at the very least played 11 guys all season and allowed a brillant offensive
assistant coach to help him with offense. That would have been acceptable for the team.

We just saw a video where Charlie Villanova confirmed a lot of times the assistant coach is more of the head coach than the actually head coach.

This is why I say bring me Bryant!

but no one has an 11-man rotation. let alone as a minimum baseline. why would we expect that much as a minimum baseline for thibs?

10+situational is the max you're going to see in the most modern and creative of rotations.

not suggesting it shouldn't be the case. just saying it isn't.

[GONYK]

This seems tone pattern with him. He’s so smart and works so hard, but eventually he can’t last long at any of his gigs. It must be in his personality to do this. Pop and some other great coaches had incredibly long runs.

Personality makes life more enjoyable for sure but I think - if Thibs at the very least played 11 guys all season and allowed a brillant offensive
assistant coach to help him with offense. That would have been acceptable for the team.

We just saw a video where Charlie Villanova confirmed a lot of times the assistant coach is more of the head coach than the actually head coach.

This is why I say bring me Bryant!

but no one has an 11-man rotation. let alone as a minimum baseline. why would we expect that much as a minimum baseline for thibs?

10+situational is the max you're going to see in the most modern and creative of rotations.

not suggesting it shouldn't be the case. just saying it isn't.

Not playing 5 out, even situationally, was a much bigger deal than his minutes distribution or overall rotation usage.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Personality makes life more enjoyable for sure but I think - if Thibs at the very least played 11 guys all season and allowed a brillant offensive
assistant coach to help him with offense. That would have been acceptable for the team.

We just saw a video where Charlie Villanova confirmed a lot of times the assistant coach is more of the head coach than the actually head coach.

This is why I say bring me Bryant!

but no one has an 11-man rotation. let alone as a minimum baseline. why would we expect that much as a minimum baseline for thibs?

10+situational is the max you're going to see in the most modern and creative of rotations.

not suggesting it shouldn't be the case. just saying it isn't.

Not playing 5 out, even situationally, was a much bigger deal than his minutes distribution or overall rotation usage.

i mean, so many things to knock. not having an 11+ man rotation... iono bro.

[Context]

This seems tone pattern with him. He’s so smart and works so hard, but eventually he can’t last long at any of his gigs. It must be in his personality to do this. Pop and some other great coaches had incredibly long runs.

Personality makes life more enjoyable for sure but I think - if Thibs at the very least played 11 guys all season and allowed a brillant offensive
assistant coach to help him with offense. That would have been acceptable for the team.

We just saw a video where Charlie Villanova confirmed a lot of times the assistant coach is more of the head coach than the actually head coach.

This is why I say bring me Bryant!

but no one has an 11-man rotation. let alone as a minimum baseline. why would we expect that much as a minimum baseline for thibs?

10+situational is the max you're going to see in the most modern and creative of rotations.

not suggesting it shouldn't be the case. just saying it isn't.

The elite teams do...I was spot checking during the season. Just look at how many guys the final two teams have played that lasted.

[Context]

Gilbert areans amoung other former nba players in a discussion said that NO nba player -no matter how conditioned he is, can run back and forth for more than 3 minutes. Thats why teams go on runs.
The modern day league covers many miles. This is why in the begining our Knicks were #1 in offense and in the end they were essential 500 in wins and losses.
This is the basic fundamental of basketball. It doesnt matter what schemes you run- you cant out last teams that are playing 11 guys or even 10 guys.
We played 7 all year- for the most part.