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Post#841 » by mugzi » Mon May 16, 2011 6:37 pm

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mugzi wrote:Well thats a disagreement that wont change. You say not far enough, I say it was an unconstitutional power grab that further erodes our civil liberties. The fact is, Im young, havent been sick in 10 years more or less and when I have its never warranted a trip to the hospital.

So I do submit my biases there. But I also eat right, exercise and try not to do anything to much excess. So if I live a long life, hopefully I'll be healthy til the end of it without much if any need for a hospital. But Im also not the type of person who will submit myself to chemo or some other medication if I have a terminal illness. Id rather just die. I have no fear of death or many regrets. Ive lived a fairly interesting life and done a lot of things and had many fullfilling experiences.

But my beef with all of this is this. We as a nation are obese, eat like crap, then expect our healthcare to be a shared responsibility. Thats bs. Im tired of the lack of personal accountability in this country, especially when it comes to this issue. STOP SHOVING 4000 CALORIES A DAY DOWN YOUR THROATS PEOPLE. Stop eating so much unhealthy fast food, start exercising and INITIATE YOUR OWN HEALTHCARE PLAN. People ask me if I have healthcare, I say yeah I care about my health so I dont really get sick.

Thats where Im coming from.


end of life care is just wrecking the system, we need to have a adult discussion over how much money should be spent on that stuff, which really doesnt improve outcomes (but the hospital and docs get paid out of it)

as far as eating right and exercising, i agree on that too



I don't think politicians for the most part want to have adult discussions anymore. They just want to continue to legislate, regulate and nanny state.

I'm not off the grid, but I will be in a few years. I'm just sick of the direction we've taken as a nation. Our morals are lax, our work ethic sucks and we expect something for nothing as a nation. This healthcare is just another nail in the coffin for me, and part of me hopes Obama gets re-elected so he could f up the economy more so a real fiscal/social conservative can step in and clean up the mess. Alan West can't be president soon enough.
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Post#842 » by mugzi » Mon May 16, 2011 6:44 pm

Pharmcat wrote:i have already posted my story, bout how i couldnt get HC b/c of my thyroid condition and headaches...and I eat right, exercise 6X per week, and what not

always denied individual HC insurance due to pre exisiting conditions

that changed last year, thankfully


I dont think thats a bad thing, but I dont think a whole 2000+ piece of legislation needed to be passed to give you that right. Or maybe if you couldn't get insurance the pharma companies dont have to charge a few hundred dollars a bottle for meds, when it costs them 3 dollars to make them. Now that I dont agree with. Im all for capitalism, but charging 500 bucks for a non generic drug when it costs 1% of that to make is ridiculous and I do think that when it comes to medication that's necessary for survival which is caused by a genetic condition, pharma can make their money, but they should also be held accountable to people that cant afford to pay an exorbitant sum for meds and in those case should be able to pay what they can afford based on income they can prove.
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Post#843 » by seren » Mon May 16, 2011 6:50 pm

Once again for those who are really interested in a informed discussion:

List of developed countries that does not have a universal health care system:

The United States of America

List of developed countries that have a universal health care system:

All others
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Post#844 » by King of Troy » Mon May 16, 2011 10:07 pm

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cmaff051 wrote:Where's the graph to show the current complexity of our employer-driven health care system? You couldn't squeeze it into a jpeg image.


Please tell me the difference. In today's American, capitalism and corporatism go hand-in-hand.




Here's an idea. How about your stop listening to radio show hosts and formulate opinions yourself? Don't let radio talk show hosts formulate your opinion. You know why? These opinions are easy to sense from a mile away. They make you look like a fool. Educate yourself. Stop parroting the talking points.


Well you can use google, why don't you stop being an intellectually lazy liberal and dig it up yourself.

And why am I not surprised that you would respond with a blanket capitalism/corporatism are analogous statement? LOL. Capitalism creates jobs and prosperity, corporatism is a unholy union between govt and business that caters to elite special interests. There is a difference despite your anti business cynicism.

And I don't need your ideas. Nor a talk show hosts. Apparently I must be able to think critically if I can respond to multiple political threads, topics and news stories and offer my viewpoint, respond to detractors and attract admirers. You haven't or maybe you can't.

I listen to Savage to hear about stories your MSM doesn't care about, report or know about. Murdering of Coptic Christians in Egypt by the peaceful freedom fighters for example. Oh you didnt hear about that on MSNBC did you?

And here's a newsflash. Having the temerity to think crtically and disagree with the likes of you makes me anything but a fool, in fact it's what makes me far more intelligent that you'll ever be politically, socially and morally.


Um, corporatism is a function of capitalism. Maximizing profits means using your lobbying abilities to get governmental changes that benefit you. A free market has not, nor will it ever, exist. Those with interests that they want taken care of, will turn to the government to do so. Those with greater means will be better able. That is why corporations dominate, they have greater means.

Also, most pundits or political commentators are worthless. It is called a business. It isn't about being accurate or true, it is about finding an audience. They tell you what you WANT to hear. You'll tune in again as a result.

Also, tossing around ad hominen remarks does nothing but harm your own argument.
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Post#845 » by cmaff051 » Fri May 20, 2011 2:37 am

In a shock to no one, privatization does nothing to help lower prison costs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/us/19 ... =me&ref=us

The talking point that the private sector can do tasks more efficiently than the federal government - you really have to wonder how much evidence one has to put forth to the contrary before the talking point is finally buried.
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Post#846 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat May 21, 2011 3:43 am

cmaff051 wrote:In a shock to no one, privatization does nothing to help lower prison costs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/us/19 ... =me&ref=us

The talking point that the private sector can do tasks more efficiently than the federal government - you really have to wonder how much evidence one has to put forth to the contrary before the talking point is finally buried.



The free market is not the answer for everything. Some things should not be run at a profit, especially those things which effect the public welfare. Here's one example, in the prison context, of why.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal
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Post#847 » by Galloisdaman » Sun May 22, 2011 6:27 pm

WikiLeaks bolsters argument for ‘enhanced’ interrogation tactics
Cables show U.S. collected details of plots, terrorists

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s ongoing release of the Guantanamo Bay prison files, and large numbers of classified State Department cables, attempts to expose what he calls American corruption.

But supporters of the George W. Bush administration’s global war on terrorism say the nearly 800 Guantanamo files show that “enhanced” interrogations of hundreds of captured operatives at secret overseas prisons and at the Cuban prison amounted to one of the most successful intelligence operations in history.

Before the interrogations, the U.S. knew little about al Qaeda in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Years later, the CIA and military had accumulated a large database of ongoing plots and the identities of terrorists, the WikiLeaks files show.

“The WikiLeaks documents provide still additional evidence that intelligence gained from CIA detainees not only helped lead us to Osama bin Laden, it helped us disrupt a number of follow-on attacks that had been set in motion after 9/11,” said Marc Thiessen, a former Bush speechwriter.

“Without this program, we would not have gone nearly 10 years without another catastrophic attack on the homeland. This is quite possibly the most important, and most successful, intelligence program in modern times. But instead of medals, the people behind this program have been given subpoenas.”

He was referring to Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.’s launch of a criminal investigation of CIA officers who conducted the “enhanced” interrogations, some of which the Obama administration has dubbed “torture.”

The killing of Osama bin Laden underscores the value of the vast intelligence database. The treasure trove of information includes the identities of terrorists operating abroad, plots to kill civilians and details on how al Qaeda used a network of couriers for clandestine communication.

Public disclosure of the interrogation windfall began in April by the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, which obtained hundreds of classified U.S. reports on detainees written by Joint Task Force Guantanamo, the military unit in charge of the prison at U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

As of Thursday, WikiLeaks had released 765 of 779 Gitmo files.

The files show that prisoner Abu Farajal al-Libi, al Qaeda’s No. 3 and a close aide to bin Laden, first disclosed the terrorist master’s special courier to the CIA. It was the agency’s ability to find and track the messenger that ultimately led a team of Navy SEALs to bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, where he was killed early on May 2.

Supporters of sending terrorist suspects to Guantanamo Bay — which the Obama administration has vowed to shutter, though its initial deadline has come and gone — for trials at military commissions say the prison provided a single collection point to assess and cross-check intelligence on an enemy the United States knew little about.

“We learned a tremendous amount about the operation, not only in Afghanistan but the organizational structure and how they were operating outside the immediate combat area, for example in Europe,” said retired Brig. Gen. Thomas L. Hemingway, the Pentagon’s top legal adviser to the commissions’ office during Guantanamo’s early days.

Gen. Hemingway recalled a case when the military command in Afghanistan was looking for a senior Taliban commander. Interrogators found a detainee who knew the suspect. The detainee drew a diagram of his compound. Aerial surveillance located the home and led to the commander’s capture.

“There was a lot of actionable intelligence that was developed down there for a long time,” Gen. Hemingway said.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... interroga/
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Post#848 » by Galloisdaman » Sun May 22, 2011 6:28 pm

WOLF: Obamacare waiver corruption must stop
If some Americans deserve exemption from a bad law, then all Americans do

By Dr. Milton R. Wolf

The Washington Times

7:14 p.m., Friday, May 20, 2011

Selective enforcement of the law is the first sign of tyranny. A government empowered to determine arbitrarily who may operate outside the rule of law invariably embraces favoritism as friends, allies and those with the best-funded lobbyists are rewarded. Favoritism inevitably leads to corruption, and corruption invites extortion. Ultimately, the rule of law ceases to exist in any recognizable form, and what is left is tyranny.

America’s founders rejected that road to tyranny when they boldly declared that all men are created equal. They wrote a Constitution meant to secure the promise of equal protection under the law.

President Obama, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Democrats all, in their rush to take over America’s health care system, made all sorts of outlandish, unkeepable promises. Among the most egregious: Obamacare would allow you to keep your current health insurance and your doctor. Mr. Obama’s own Medicare chief actuary now acknowledges that Obamacare may cause up to 20 million Americans to lose their current health insurance policies, and doctors are increasingly leaving Medicare, Medicaid and the practice of medicine altogether. Good luck keeping them. Another unkeepable promise: Obamacare “will create 4 million jobs, 400,000 jobs almost immediately.” The Congressional Budget Office’s budget director estimates the law actually will destroy 800,000 jobs.

Obamacare’s chickens, to borrow a phrase our president may have heard somewhere before, are coming home to roost. The law, as currently adjudicated, has been ruled unconstitutional. The president’s own secretary of health and human services, Kathleen Sebelius, has admitted a major section of the Obamacare law is “totally unsustainable.” Before casting his vote in favor of Obamacare, Sen. Kent Conrad, North Dakota Democrat, described it as “a Ponzi scheme of the first order, the kind of thing that Bernie Madoff would have been proud of.” Well, Mr. Conrad, Mr. Madoff certainly would be proud of you and your colleagues.

The now-familiar monthly trickling down of new waivers is, at best, a tacit admission that Obamacare is a failure. So far, seven entire states and 1,372 businesses, unions and other institutions have received waivers from the law. The list includes the administration’s friends and allies and, of course, those who have the bestlobbyists.

More than 50 percent of the Obamacare waiver beneficiaries are union members, which is striking because union members account for less than 12 percent of the American work force. The same unions that provided more than $120 million to Democrats in the last two elections and, in many cases, openly campaigned in favor of the government takeover of your health care, now celebrate that Obamacare is not their problem.

But the political payoffs don’t stop there. The Obama administration didn’t forget its closest friends in the latest round of waivers. Although there are 435 congressional districts across America, nearly 20 percent of the new waivers, amazingly, found their way to a single district - Mrs. Pelosi‘s. As for Mr. Reid, well, the entire state of Nevada found an early waiver in its Christmas stocking. After all, what kind of a friend would the president be if he couldn’t pull a few strings?

The priorities of the Obama administration and its Democratic allies are on display with every waiver granted. The list of beneficiaries in Mrs. Pelosi’s district, for example, belongs in an episode of “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.” Mrs. Pelosi, champion of the unions and no stranger to hypocrisy, has amassed a fortune as part owner of Napa Valley Auberge du Soleil resort - a luxurious nonunion shop. Now her luxury boutique colleagues also can benefit from her “do as I say” politics. The “four-diamond luxury” hotel Campton Place; Tru Spa, Allure magazine’s “best day spa in San Fransisco”; Boboquivari’s and its $59 porterhouse steaks; and Cafe des Amis, “a timeless Parisian style brasserie,” are among her beneficiaries.

As American families are being squeezed by increasing health insurance premiums as well as rising gasoline and grocery prices, I’m sure they’ll be relieved to know that San Francisco’s down-and-out millionaires will be protected from paying Obamacare’s bills. Mercifully, Mrs. Pelosi’s limousine liberals will no longer be forced to beg for Grey Poupon from every Rolls-Royce passing by.

Why did these particular businesses receive waivers? The administration that calls itself the most transparent in history won’t say. Nor will it explain why it has denied at least 79 requests from others. Worse still, Health and Human Services has decreed that it will not even accept waiver requests from individuals, so if you choose to purchase your insurance directly, you have no recourse.

Americans deserve and, in fact, are guaranteed by our Constitution a level playing field. We were never promised equality in results, but we do deserve to play by the same rules and to be judged by the same standards. When a new law like Obamacare is so deeply flawed that its supporters openly violate these American bedrock principles to sustain it, it’s time to repeal that law.

I will repeat the same question I’ve been asking since the first health care waiver was granted: If Obamacare is such a great law, why does the White House keep exempting its best friends from it?

Dr. Milton R. Wolf, a Washington Times columnist, is a board-certified diagnostic radiologist and President Obama’s cousin. He blogs at miltonwolf.com.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/20/obamacare-waiver-corruption-must-stop/
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Post#849 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun May 22, 2011 10:20 pm

mugzi wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:i have already posted my story, bout how i couldnt get HC b/c of my thyroid condition and headaches...and I eat right, exercise 6X per week, and what not

always denied individual HC insurance due to pre exisiting conditions

that changed last year, thankfully


I dont think thats a bad thing, but I dont think a whole 2000+ piece of legislation needed to be passed to give you that right. Or maybe if you couldn't get insurance the pharma companies dont have to charge a few hundred dollars a bottle for meds, when it costs them 3 dollars to make them. Now that I dont agree with. Im all for capitalism, but charging 500 bucks for a non generic drug when it costs 1% of that to make is ridiculous and I do think that when it comes to medication that's necessary for survival which is caused by a genetic condition, pharma can make their money, but they should also be held accountable to people that cant afford to pay an exorbitant sum for meds and in those case should be able to pay what they can afford based on income they can prove.


Gee, you sound like that left wing communist Wingo.


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Post#850 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 23, 2011 12:52 am

Now MItch Daniels (Gov. Indiana-R), says he won't run. :cry:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/us/po ... ml?_r=1&hp

Daniels Move Stirs Concerns About Field of Republicans

By JEFF ZELENY and JIM RUTENBERG
Published: May 22, 2011

WASHINGTON — The announcement Sunday by Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana that he would not run for the Republican presidential nomination ended one major chapter of uncertainty in the race but ignited new debate over whether the current field contains a candidate capable of beating President Obama next year.

Saying that his family did not want to go through a campaign, Mr. Daniels became the third high-profile Republican in eight days to choose not to compete for the chance to challenge Mr. Obama. The contest is now increasingly focused on three former governors — Mitt Romney of Massachusetts, Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota and, to a lesser extent, Jon M. Huntsman Jr. of Utah.

Mr. Daniels’s decision was one of the most anticipated events of the early campaign season, ,and he finally rendered it just days after former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas and the developer Donald J. Trump said they would opt out of a race. Mr. Daniels faced considerable pressure from a wide spectrum of Republicans to enter the race, and he had signaled that he would focus on addressing the nation’s fiscal issues.

But after weeks of deliberating in public and making clear that his wife and four daughters had deep reservations — caused in part by the knowledge that they would be exposed to intensive scrutiny over a period in the 1990s when Mr. Daniels and his wife, Cheri, divorced and then remarried — he said he was unsuccessful in swaying his family.

In a statement on Sunday he said, “Our family constitution gives a veto to the women’s caucus, and there is no override provision.”

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Post#851 » by Galloisdaman » Mon May 23, 2011 1:33 am

I totally respect Daniels putting his family first. I lean hard towards libertarian so I agree with a lot that Ron Paul says but I'm still OK with Romney who I see winning. Most incumbents win because they have such a huge advantage BUT I think Romney will pull a major upset. This could end up feeling like 1980 all over again. Romney even has Reagan like hair.
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Post#852 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 23, 2011 2:03 am

Galloisdaman wrote:I totally respect Daniels putting his family first. I lean hard towards libertarian so I agree with a lot that Ron Paul says but I'm still OK with Romney who I see winning. Most incumbents win because they have such a huge advantage BUT I think Romney will pull a major upset. This could end up feeling like 1980 all over again. Romney even has Reagan like hair.



I respect Daniels for not putting his family through this against their will (I guess). I was his wife who put her foot down on the issue. She hates the process. Don't blame her.

Romney is a moderate, you is being forced to play this stupid game where he is forced, along with every other republican candidate, to say stupid things about Obama and the dems. When you say moderate things like Gingrich said about the Paul Ryan budget plan, you get forced out of the nomination process. What kind of process is that? That, to me, is one of the problems with the republican party. It's such a small tent of ideas. No diversity. What are they afraid of?
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Post#853 » by yaboynyp » Mon May 23, 2011 3:58 am

Maaaann why don't they nominate Mugzi!!.. I mean dood knows everything.. He would be vicious in the debates "With all due respect to the Socialist Nazi Marxist Commi Commander in Chief, Mr. Obama umm, what was the question again?"

Mugzi the GOP needs you, time to hop of your moms computer and throw your Knicks Hat in the ring!!!! Legoooo!!!
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Post#854 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 23, 2011 3:06 pm

yaboynyp wrote:Maaaann why don't they nominate Mugzi!!.. I mean dood knows everything.. He would be vicious in the debates "With all due respect to the Socialist Nazi Marxist Commi Commander in Chief, Mr. Obama umm, what was the question again?"

Mugzi the GOP needs you, time to hop of your moms computer and throw your Knicks Hat in the ring!!!! Legoooo!!!



I double dare (DOUBLE DARE? Yes, double dare) mugzi to run.

Run, mugzi, run!
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Post#855 » by cmaff051 » Mon May 23, 2011 3:32 pm

yaboynyp wrote:Maaaann why don't they nominate Mugzi!!.. I mean dood knows everything.. He would be vicious in the debates "With all due respect to the Socialist Nazi Marxist Commi Commander in Chief, Mr. Obama umm, what was the question again?"

Mugzi the GOP needs you, time to hop of your moms computer and throw your Knicks Hat in the ring!!!! Legoooo!!!



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Post#856 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon May 23, 2011 4:37 pm

Now that Roger Ailes has called Sarah Palin "stupid," there's a slot open for an enterprising young republican.

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Post#857 » by cgf » Mon May 23, 2011 5:23 pm

mugzi wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:i have already posted my story, bout how i couldnt get HC b/c of my thyroid condition and headaches...and I eat right, exercise 6X per week, and what not

always denied individual HC insurance due to pre exisiting conditions

that changed last year, thankfully


I dont think thats a bad thing, but I dont think a whole 2000+ piece of legislation needed to be passed to give you that right. Or maybe if you couldn't get insurance the pharma companies dont have to charge a few hundred dollars a bottle for meds, when it costs them 3 dollars to make them. Now that I dont agree with. Im all for capitalism, but charging 500 bucks for a non generic drug when it costs 1% of that to make is ridiculous and I do think that when it comes to medication that's necessary for survival which is caused by a genetic condition, pharma can make their money, but they should also be held accountable to people that cant afford to pay an exorbitant sum for meds and in those case should be able to pay what they can afford based on income they can prove.


Drug development is insanely expensive. Yes the basic ingredients aren't but you're looking at hundreds of millions of dollars and years of delay just to get a drug through the FDA, that's why drugs are so expensive, not cause drug makers are greedy, but because getting a drug on the market is crazy expensive and you've got a limited time to make that money back before your patent expires.

Granted the biggest cheerleaders for the FDA are the established big Pharma companies so I guess you can blame them for our current drug development system, but not for the prices this system forces all drug makers to charge.

This issue really bothers me since I used to work in the field and still have a lot of family who are in the field, so it's one who's ugly warts I am intimately familiar with.
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Post#858 » by cgf » Mon May 23, 2011 5:25 pm

seren wrote:Once again for those who are really interested in a informed discussion:

List of developed countries that does not have a universal health care system:

The United States of America

List of developed countries that have a universal health care system:

All others


Do you also want to compare the quality of care? Cause socialized Medicine in Germany might be free but it sucks donkey balls, plus you have access to less quality medications that are a bitch to get. So what's your point again? Everybody else is doing a **** job with their healthcare systems to?
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Post#859 » by seren » Mon May 23, 2011 5:50 pm

cgf wrote:
seren wrote:Once again for those who are really interested in a informed discussion:

List of developed countries that does not have a universal health care system:

The United States of America

List of developed countries that have a universal health care system:

All others


Do you also want to compare the quality of care? Cause socialized Medicine in Germany might be free but it sucks donkey balls, plus you have access to less quality medications that are a bitch to get. So what's your point again? Everybody else is doing a **** job with their healthcare systems to?


Quality of care? We are riding at the bottom of life expectancy in the whole developed world and middle of pack with infant mortality. The point is we are spending too much money (most in the whole world as percentage of GDP) while we can't even get everyone covered. And even those who are covered, most of the insurance is bullsh*t and does not cover anything.

Sure socialized medicine in Germany suckz balls. They are only 2 years ahead of U.S. in life expectancy (80.2 to 77.9) and only spend 11 percent of GDP as opposed to 17 percent in the U.S. LOL.
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Post#860 » by duetta » Mon May 23, 2011 10:21 pm

JUNEAU, Alaska – A former member of Sarah Palin's inner circle has written a scathing tell-all, saying Palin was ready to quit as governor months before she actually resigned and was eager to leave office when more lucrative opportunities came around.

"In 2009 I had the sense if she made it to the White House and I had stayed silent, I could never forgive myself," Frank Bailey told The Associated Press.

Palin's attorney did not respond to multiple requests for comment for this story.

"Blind Allegiance to Sarah Palin: A Memoir of Our Tumultuous Years" is due out Tuesday and based on tens of thousands of emails that Bailey said he kept during his time with Palin. It began with working on her 2006 gubernatorial campaign and continued through her failed run for vice president in 2008 and her brief stint as governor.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110523/ap_ ... palin_book

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