[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

[atlnyk]

I don't post often, but trust me when I say that Denver has effectively stepped on their own Di__K. This is a no win situation for them now and they know it. Anytime before January would had been optimal, but by waiting so long, they have put this thought in Carmelo's mind. " I'll be dammed if I can't wait another 6 months to play and live where the hell I feel like it". At this point, he's only for rent or he's a Knick. Denver has completely over played their hand. Melo has to know that he's going to get his money one way or another, WHEN he comes to the Knicks. I don't believe for one second, that he has allowed this process to go this far, just to be traded and signed by the NUTS (nets), when he could had done so a month ago. Time is on our side folks.

[K_ick_God]

Nets seem like they are willing to make the trade without the extension. I just hope he doesn't end up with the Nets and decide to sign and get his money.

I think so too -- they're not going to let the Knicks have him this season. Their slim shady owner is going to go all out and give up real value without an extension. He thinks he's so charming and powerful that he can convince Melo once he's there. So I wouldn't be surprised if they give up all those picks just for an un-extended Melo.

But why would he settle for the Nets if he hasn't given in on the Nuggets? He has had more pressure applied by the team and fans in Denver than he could have anywhere else, and the Nuggets are a good team too (in contrast to the Nets), but he's still resisted the extension.

Plus which, on the Nets he'd be that much closer to the Knicks. Just a few months. In one way, the pressure TO sign will be greater with the deadline for any extension closing. But in the other way, he was a full year away from his desired destination during last summer ... and he still said no to the extension ... but now he'll be just a matter of several weeks from his target. So the pressure of the extension could rise but the lure of NYK will too.

I'm not saying that he won't cave and sign with the Nets, just presenting the argument that he'll hold firm.

If he goes to NJ unextended, there's no way he signs.

Just think of the media, KG, which he'd have access to daily at that point once he's a Net. He'll see firsthand that the Nets are the Clippers of NY, have no future, and Amar'e will be across the river in the playoffs.

If our goal was to sign for Melo and not trade for him, going to the Nets unextended could be a blessing in disguise. I would likely have been more worried that he resigns with Denver after peer pressure from fans, or a good run in the playoffs vs. resigning with the Nets.

All good points. Just depends on whether he's really willing to go to free agency. Even if he really prefers to avoid free agency, he'll do it if he's got the mindset that he won't lose too much (which I really think is true).

Even if he 80% prefers extension and 20% wouldn't mind free agency, I like our chances. But he could be bluffing and in his head he's 95%+ leaning toward getting the extension signed.

What this could come down to, looking a few steps ahead ...

The Nets get a deal done with Denver, but Melo is not willing to sign. The Nets are still willing to do a deal (perhaps slightly scaling down their offer) without the extension. Then Melo gets in contact with Jay-Z to basically tell him to call off Prohkorov, let him know not to do the deal because I won't re-sign.

I think Melo would be hesitant to let the trade happen at all if he really has no interest. He doesn't want to do that to the Nets. If he is willing to go there and hear them out, then I think that means he's open to it and then it's up to their pitch. But in that situation, I don't love our chances.

[nykinoz]

Laughable situation on the Denver, Cleveland and Nets 3 way reported on ESPN. Deal fell apart because both Cleveland and Denver wanted the Top 7 protected pick from NJ via GS.

Lol @ Cleveland wanting it for sending out nothing but a trade exception!

[nykinoz]

The Nets have a standing offer of rookie Derrick Favors, two first-round draft picks and Troy Murphy on the table, but last month, sources said the Nuggets weren't interested in Murphy because they would have inherited the remaining $8 million on his expiring contract. So the Nets brought in Cleveland and its $14.5 million trade exception.

Denver would have received Favors, Devin Harris and three first-round picks. Cleveland would have received Murphy and one or two first-round picks, and the Nets would have received Anthony, Al Harrington and the Cavaliers' trade exception, the sources said.

Beyond the sticking point of Anthony accepting or refusing to sign the long-term extension with New Jersey, the deal fell apart because both Denver and Cleveland wanted the 2012 first-round pick the Nets got from Golden State in the Marcus Williams trade. That pick is protected through the first seven slots.

While Denver never asked for the Nets' five first-round picks, New Jersey might have wound up sending those five picks to the Nuggets and the Cavs. Losing all those first-rounders makes the Nets' squeamish, as does not getting back a point guard if they have to give up Harris.

Because it has Ty Lawson, Denver doesn't have much need for Harris. But the Nuggets were hoping they might be able to send Harris, whom Portland covets, to the Trail Blazers for Andre Miller and Nicolas Batum, according to sources. It was most likely wishful thinking because Portland has no intention of moving Batum.

While Chauncey Billups' name has been mentioned with Anthony's in trade rumors, Billups' desire is to remain in Denver, which is his home town.

[Jitpal]

The Nets have a standing offer of rookie Derrick Favors, two first-round draft picks and Troy Murphy on the table, but last month, sources said the Nuggets weren't interested in Murphy because they would have inherited the remaining $8 million on his expiring contract. So the Nets brought in Cleveland and its $14.5 million trade exception.

Denver would have received Favors, Devin Harris and three first-round picks. Cleveland would have received Murphy and one or two first-round picks, and the Nets would have received Anthony, Al Harrington and the Cavaliers' trade exception, the sources said.

Beyond the sticking point of Anthony accepting or refusing to sign the long-term extension with New Jersey, the deal fell apart because both Denver and Cleveland wanted the 2012 first-round pick the Nets got from Golden State in the Marcus Williams trade. That pick is protected through the first seven slots.

While Denver never asked for the Nets' five first-round picks, New Jersey might have wound up sending those five picks to the Nuggets and the Cavs. Losing all those first-rounders makes the Nets' squeamish, as does not getting back a point guard if they have to give up Harris.

Because it has Ty Lawson, Denver doesn't have much need for Harris. But the Nuggets were hoping they might be able to send Harris, whom Portland covets, to the Trail Blazers for Andre Miller and Nicolas Batum, according to sources. It was most likely wishful thinking because Portland has no intention of moving Batum.

While Chauncey Billups' name has been mentioned with Anthony's in trade rumors, Billups' desire is to remain in Denver, which is his home town.

They had to take on Al Harrington's contract, a high first rounder is definitely required for that. I probably still wouldn't trade a TPE for Al Harrington + Junk + (at best) 8th pick. -Jitpal

[towelie]

The Nets have a standing offer of rookie Derrick Favors, two first-round draft picks and Troy Murphy on the table, but last month, sources said the Nuggets weren't interested in Murphy because they would have inherited the remaining $8 million on his expiring contract. So the Nets brought in Cleveland and its $14.5 million trade exception.

Denver would have received Favors, Devin Harris and three first-round picks. Cleveland would have received Murphy and one or two first-round picks, and the Nets would have received Anthony, Al Harrington and the Cavaliers' trade exception, the sources said.

Beyond the sticking point of Anthony accepting or refusing to sign the long-term extension with New Jersey, the deal fell apart because both Denver and Cleveland wanted the 2012 first-round pick the Nets got from Golden State in the Marcus Williams trade. That pick is protected through the first seven slots.

While Denver never asked for the Nets' five first-round picks, New Jersey might have wound up sending those five picks to the Nuggets and the Cavs. Losing all those first-rounders makes the Nets' squeamish, as does not getting back a point guard if they have to give up Harris.

Because it has Ty Lawson, Denver doesn't have much need for Harris. But the Nuggets were hoping they might be able to send Harris, whom Portland covets, to the Trail Blazers for Andre Miller and Nicolas Batum, according to sources. It was most likely wishful thinking because Portland has no intention of moving Batum.

While Chauncey Billups' name has been mentioned with Anthony's in trade rumors, Billups' desire is to remain in Denver, which is his home town.

Roooofl...Favors + Harris + 5 1st round picks. And two of those picks are likely lottery (Nets this year and GS' 2012)

That REEKS of desperation. Shaq or KG didn't garner as much value.

[duetta]

What a psychotic offer. You'd think they were the Lakers trading for Kareem!

[K_ick_God]

Wow, real deal here that fell apart. This sounds credible to me.

I am a little worried, though, that Denver is going through all of this if Melo really has told them no to NJ. He must not have said anything yet, if they're going through all this trouble.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Wow, real deal here that fell apart. This sounds credible to me.

I am a little worried, though, that Denver is going through all of this if Melo really has told them no to NJ. He must not have said anything yet, if they're going through all this trouble.

I really think that Denver as already told him they won't send him where he doesn't want to go. They need him to play good soldier and not make any public remarks undermining their position. They think that Walsh will panic and offer up the entire farm for Melo, which he won't. Melo is doing right by his organization by keeping his mouth shut and being a professional. At the end of the day he wants to be a Knick and probably finds the Net talk as fruitless as we do. They have no deal in place because he will not sign with them. I mean seriously, look at what Denver would be getting in return from the Nets....a king's ransom of a rebuild (youth with upside and a plethora of draft picks). Why would they turn that down? Because they are stalling, hoping something changes on either our or Melo's end. And they know Melo won't re-sign there. I really don't think Denver has formally presented Melo w/NJ as an option to tell you the truth. He has already told them as reported, "Knicks and Knicks only". Denver is desperately trying to set a market price for their star. Admirable but ultimately amateur hour. We won't take on Harrington or JR Smith either.
Pieces (like "Deuces!")!

[K_ick_God]

Wow, real deal here that fell apart. This sounds credible to me.

I am a little worried, though, that Denver is going through all of this if Melo really has told them no to NJ. He must not have said anything yet, if they're going through all this trouble.

I really think that Denver as already told him they won't send him where he doesn't want to go. They need him to play good soldier and not make any public remarks undermining their position. They think that Walsh will panic and offer up the entire farm for Melo, which he won't. Melo is doing right by his organization by keeping his mouth shut and being a professional. At the end of the day he wants to be a Knick and probably finds the Net talk as fruitless as we do. They have no deal in place because he will not sign with them. I mean seriously, look at what Denver would be getting in return from the Nets....a king's ransom of a rebuild (youth with upside and a plethora of draft picks). Why would they turn that down? Because they are stalling, hoping something changes on either our or Melo's end. And they know Melo won't re-sign there. I really don't think Denver has formally presented Melo w/NJ as an option to tell you the truth. He has already told them as reported, "Knicks and Knicks only". Denver is desperately trying to set a market price for their star. Admirable but ultimately amateur hour. We won't take on Harrington or JR Smith either.
Pieces (like "Deuces!")!

Definitely a theory that could be true. I also get a strong sense that they've never really presented the Nets as a possibility.

Wasting teams' time is sort of unethical though.

[knicks742]

When a star is on the move, things happen quickly or they don't happen. The Nuggets can get the #3 pick in this draft, the Nets' lottery pick in 2011, GSW's lottery pick in 2011, an expiring deal and probably $3 million in cash and does anyone really think that they were waiting for the Nets to get a 2012 lottery protected pick and a 2011 top 18 protected pick and those picks were the deal breaker? : /

The Nets have been ready to make a deal since September. If they even thought for a second they were close, they would have moved heaven and earth to get that deal completed at that point. Something is holding it up and it ain't Denver or NJ.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Wow, real deal here that fell apart. This sounds credible to me.

I am a little worried, though, that Denver is going through all of this if Melo really has told them no to NJ. He must not have said anything yet, if they're going through all this trouble.

I really think that Denver as already told him they won't send him where he doesn't want to go. They need him to play good soldier and not make any public remarks undermining their position. They think that Walsh will panic and offer up the entire farm for Melo, which he won't. Melo is doing right by his organization by keeping his mouth shut and being a professional. At the end of the day he wants to be a Knick and probably finds the Net talk as fruitless as we do. They have no deal in place because he will not sign with them. I mean seriously, look at what Denver would be getting in return from the Nets....a king's ransom of a rebuild (youth with upside and a plethora of draft picks). Why would they turn that down? Because they are stalling, hoping something changes on either our or Melo's end. And they know Melo won't re-sign there. I really don't think Denver has formally presented Melo w/NJ as an option to tell you the truth. He has already told them as reported, "Knicks and Knicks only". Denver is desperately trying to set a market price for their star. Admirable but ultimately amateur hour. We won't take on Harrington or JR Smith either.
Pieces (like "Deuces!")!

Definitely a theory that could be true. I also get a strong sense that they've never really presented the Nets as a possibility.

Wasting teams' time is sort of unethical though.

Melo is repped by the same guys that handled Lebron's debacle of a summer.
I think the concept of ethics is way down that totem pole. Besides, the devaluing of our roster by Denver doesn't scream ethical either. Future dealings will be complicated with Denver to say the least if it involves LMRR clients if Melo is not acquiesced. He didn't "Lebron" them and therefore they should not look to spite him.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

When a star is on the move, things happen quickly or they don't happen. The Nuggets can get the #3 pick in this draft, the Nets' lottery pick in 2011, GSW's lottery pick in 2011, an expiring deal and probably $3 million in cash and does anyone really think that they were waiting for the Nets to get a 2012 lottery protected pick and a 2011 top 18 protected pick and those picks were the deal breaker? : /

The Nets have been ready to make a deal since September. If they even thought for a second they were close, they would have moved heaven and earth to get that deal completed at that point. Something is holding it up and it ain't Denver or NJ.

My sentiments exactly.

[Justdatdude]

Interesting seeing that wiretap article when Incarcerated Bob reported it and everyone said the guy was wrong.

[K_ick_God]

Interesting seeing that wiretap article when Incarcerated Bob reported it and everyone said the guy was wrong.

He said the deal was done. It wasn't. You have set a very low bar of accuracy.

More than likely, Incarcerated is operating on the broken watch is right twice a day method of reporting.

[knicks742]

I really love the dig at the Knicks. Hmm, we haven't gotten the first round pick yet because we don't want it. THe only reason we are trading any of our young players for a pick is to send it to Denver, we have no use for another pick. Why would we make that trade now when Denver is not ready to work on a deal yet. Gotta love the press.

[K_ick_God]

I really love the dig at the Knicks. Hmm, we haven't gotten the first round pick yet because we don't want it. THe only reason we are trading any of our young players for a pick is to send it to Denver, we have no use for another pick. Why would we make that trade now when Denver is not ready to work on a deal yet. Gotta love the press.

Terrence Williams fetched a pick so surely Gallo / Randolph could both get one. Pretty stupid part of that article.

[Knicker23]

speaking of which - why havent i seen anything about Donnie's comments about Chandler on WT? it's certainly note worthy if Gasol's iphone **** is...

[K_ick_God]

^Honestly this is just Broussard spewing more chatter. Guy is pretty clueless. Yeah, he's backed off his bias against the Knicks but he is still just not ... smart. Remember he proposed a trade of Deng and a low pick for the Clippers lottery pick? Beyond (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

He's questioning Walsh's honesty and I think that's a mistake. I doubt execs are saying that at all, that the Knicks should get the pick if they can.

As 742 says, Walsh has lined it up if/when a deal comes close. If not, he's not going to panic and get the picks before the deal is ready (like the Nets did). Walsh is not bluffing. He can get a pick. Broussard is really not well informed.

[K_ick_God]

speaking of which - why havent i seen anything about Donnie's comments about Chandler on WT? it's certainly note worthy if Gasol's iphone **** is...

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